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Old 03-26-2008, 08:37 AM
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Webber to Retire

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3311954

Webber, battling chronic knee problems, to call it a career

What Chris Webber and the Golden State Warriors hoped would be a storybook comeback will instead be remembered as a very short comeback story.

After playing just nine games back in the Bay Area, Webber is retiring.

New problems with the surgically repaired left knee that has plagued him for the past half-decade have prompted Webber to leave the game, not even two months after he returned to the team and city where the most famous face from Michigan's famed Fab Five began his NBA career.

The Warriors have called a press conference for Wednesday morning so that the 35-year-old, undeniably one of the game's most versatile big men at his peak, can formally announce his plans. He will depart as one of just six players in history -- along with Hall of Famers Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, Larry Bird and Billy Cunningham and the still active Kevin Garnett -- to average at least 20 points, nine rebounds and four assists.

"One of the best power forwards to ever play in the NBA," Pistons president Joe Dumars said. "Chris was always a class act and someone we're all proud of in Detroit."

Sources close to Webber told ESPN.com that he made the decision in the past week after spending most of March in injury rehab, trying in vain to recover from a bad landing against Philadelphia on Feb. 29. He played in only one more game for the Warriors after that, convincing Webber that time had indeed run out a career that spanned 15 seasons, albeit with his mobility compromised over the last five of those seasons following a serious tear in the 2003 playoffs that required microfracture surgery.

"I really enjoyed working with him," Warriors coach Don Nelson told the San Francisco Chronicle. "It was great to get to know him again as a man and I really enjoyed our short time together. I wish it really would've worked out better, but it didn't. And I think we'll remain friends for the rest of our lives."

Added Sacramento Kings co-owner Joe Maloof, with whom Webber came closest to winning it all: "We had a lot of fun together. He was the face of our franchise for many years and we almost got it done. Almost.

"We were so close so many times. But after that [knee] injury, that's when the gradual decline of that particular group we put together all started. We never really recovered. We have some disappointing memories, but we have some really happy memories. Chris had a great career. I can't say enough good about him."

Webber sat out the first four months of this season and discussed a return to the Pistons before signing with Golden State on Jan. 29, hoping for one last run at the championship that has repeatedly eluded him and hoping as well for a fairy-tale reunion with the coach under whom he won NBA Rookie of the Year honors in 1993-94.

But his seemingly unlikely return to play for Nelson -- after the collapse of their first marriage led to Webber's trade to Washington within six months of winning his rookie award -- was aborted faster than anyone imagined after Nelson pushed harder than anyone in Oakland to bring Webber back.

Webber appeared in a mere nine games with the Warriors this time, averaging just 3.9 points and 3.6 rebounds in 14.0 minutes as Golden State went 6-3 in those games. He played only once more after sustaining his most recent health setback in a Feb. 29 win over Philadelphia and found the knee slow to rehabilitate after such a long layoff to start the season.

Asked Monday about a timetable for Webber's return after almost a month out of the lineup, Nelson said: "It would be pretty hard at this point. You have to go through the process of getting his rhythm and a few airballs. All this is really hard on a head coach because any one of those things could cost you a game."

It was Nelson, back in January, who scoffed loudest at the widespread skepticism regarding Webber's ability to keep up with Golden State's run-and-gun game. Nelson insisted that the Warriors needed Webber's passing from the high post and ability to sink mid-range jumpers to get them unstuck when their half-court offense bogged down or when their 3-pointers weren't dropping.

"I'm afraid if we don't get him here [that] our team is not strong enough to be a playoff team," Nelson said at the time. "That's my biggest fear. [Webber] can benefit our team, it can benefit his and my relationship [and] it can benefit players on this team. I think he has a chance to make some of our players better and make our team better. Really, that's all that's important. I'll get along with anybody who can help our team."

Nelson also dismissed the idea that he would struggle in personality terms to coach Webber again, insisting that he and Webber had reconciled years ago, starting when he chose Webber to replace the injured Shaquille O'Neal -- over Dirk Nowitzki from Nelson's Mavericks -- as the West's starting center for the 2002 All-Star Game in Philadelphia.

But Nelson's anticipation that Webber could give his tiny team an injection of size and guile in the frontcourt never really materialized, largely because of the knee issues. The Warriors are on pace to win 50 games for the first time since Nelson and Webber's only full season together in 1993-94 but are clinging to the No. 8 seed in the Western Conference, with slender center Andris Biedrins standing as Nelson's only rotation regular taller than 6-foot-9.

Having signed a pro-rated veteran minimum contract that would have paid him just under $570,000 to finish the season with the Warriors, Webber departs instead as a four-time former All-Star whose greatest NBA successes were realized in nearby Sacramento, before the injury robbed Webber of his spring and speed.

Dealt from Washington to Sacramento in the summer of 1998, Webber initially resisted the trade to the lowly Kings but wound up transforming them into one of the league's elite franchises with the help of teammates Vlade Divac, Peja Stojakovic, Jason Williams and later Mike Bibby, as well as the coach/general manager tandem of Rick Adelman and Geoff Petrie.

Webber's Kings were just one win away from the NBA Finals in 2002 but lost Game 7 of the Western Conference finals at home to the Los Angeles Lakers after a controversial Game 6 in which L.A. was awarded 27 free throws in the fourth quarter. Webber also reached the Eastern Conference finals last season in a brief homecoming with the Pistons, only for Detroit to lose in six games to LeBron James' Cleveland Cavaliers after taking a 2-0 lead.

Webber entered this season with career averages of 20.9 points, 9.8 rebounds and 4.3 assists after enduring similar championship frustrations at Michigan. Joining Juwan Howard, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson and ESPN's own Jalen Rose in comprising the revolutionary, trash-talking Fab Five -- who were known for bringing a Showtime feel to college basketball with their unmistakable baggy shorts, black socks and playground flair -- Webber led Michigan to back-to-back NCAA titles games but lost both.

In the second of those defeats, Webber infamously called a timeout in the final minute against North Carolina when Michigan didn't have one, helping to seal the Wolverines' 77-71 defeat.

Yet Webber clearly had a winning impact on every NBA franchise he played for. Golden State spiraled into a 12-season playoff drought after winning 50 games in Webber's rookie season, Washington halted a drought of eight seasons without a trip to the playoffs with Webber as its star in 1997 and Sacramento reached the playoffs only twice in its first 13 seasons in Northern California before Webber's arrival.


he's one of my favorite players ever. it's a shame that he'll always be remembered for the infamous timeout and falling short with the kings, while people will forget to remember just how good and talented he was.

good luck, c-webb.
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After all these years he'll still be first remembered for that time out.
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He was a good player but I don't think HOF worthy. Injuries hurt his career. He'll probably focus on producing music now.
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even with career averages of 20/9/4?

5 years ago, he was just behind duncan and KG as the best power forward in the league.

his numbers are very comparable to KG's except KG has one MVP (maybe two after this season).
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wow, 15 years...he definitely had a good run.


i used to love watching him play at UM and in Sacramento with Jason Williams, Peja, and Vlade.



...and i think he gets in the hall

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Old 03-26-2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by paz840
wow, 15 years...he definitely had a good run.


i used to love watching him play at UM and in Sacramento with Jason Williams, Peja, and Vlade.



...and i think he gets in the hall


people forget just how good of a passer he was. one of the few big men that could produce triple doubles nightly.

his biggest mistake, imo, was going to the bullets/wizards. there, he decided to be a finesse bigman and launch 3s. but i guess you can also say that his improved jump shot helped him extend his career after his knee surgery and playing on just one leg.

but i remember the year they got swept by mj and the bulls. but they were close in every game....mj said something like the bullets were the team of the future.

Career Season Averages
Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
93-94 GSW 76 76 32.1 0.552 0.000 0.532 4.0 5.1 9.1 3.6 1.2 2.2 2.71 3.30 17.5
94-95 WAS 54 52 38.3 0.495 0.276 0.502 3.7 5.9 9.6 4.7 1.5 1.6 3.09 3.40 20.1
95-96 WAS 15 15 37.2 0.543 0.441 0.594 2.5 5.1 7.6 5.0 1.8 0.6 3.27 3.40 23.7
96-97 WAS 72 72 39.0 0.518 0.397 0.565 3.3 7.0 10.3 4.6 1.7 1.9 3.19 3.60 20.1
97-98 WAS 71 71 39.6 0.482 0.317 0.589 2.5 7.0 9.5 3.8 1.6 1.8 2.61 3.80 21.9
98-99 SAC 42 42 40.9 0.486 0.118 0.454 3.5 9.4 13.0 4.1 1.4 2.1 3.52 3.50 20.0
99-00 SAC 75 75 38.4 0.483 0.284 0.751 2.5 8.0 10.5 4.6 1.6 1.7 2.91 3.50 24.5
00-01 SAC 70 70 40.5 0.481 0.071 0.703 2.6 8.5 11.1 4.2 1.3 1.7 2.79 3.20 27.1
01-02 SAC 54 54 38.4 0.495 0.263 0.749 2.8 7.3 10.1 4.8 1.7 1.4 2.93 3.40 24.5
02-03 SAC 67 67 39.1 0.461 0.238 0.607 2.4 8.1 10.5 5.4 1.6 1.3 3.21 3.00 23.0
03-04 SAC 23 23 36.1 0.413 0.200 0.711 2.1 6.6 8.7 4.6 1.4 0.9 2.61 3.30 18.7
04-05 SAC 46 46 36.3 0.449 0.379 0.799 2.0 7.7 9.7 5.5 1.5 0.7 2.89 3.10 21.3
04-05 PHI 21 21 33.4 0.391 0.267 0.776 1.7 6.1 7.9 3.1 1.2 0.9 2.33 3.30 15.6
05-06 PHI 75 75 38.6 0.434 0.273 0.756 2.5 7.4 9.9 3.4 1.4 0.8 2.43 2.90 20.2
06-07 PHI 18 18 30.2 0.387 0.400 0.643 2.1 6.2 8.3 3.4 1.0 0.8 1.83 2.00 11.0
06-07 DET 43 42 29.7 0.489 0.333 0.636 2.0 4.7 6.7 3.0 1.0 0.6 1.72 2.50 11.3
07-08 GSW 9 8 14.0 0.484 0.000 0.417 0.2 3.3 3.6 2.0 0.4 0.7 1.22 1.90 3.9
Career -- 831 827 37.1 0.479 0.299 0.649 2.7 7.0 9.8 4.2 1.4 1.4 2.78 3.20 20.7

numbers alone, i think he deserves to be in the hall.

he suffered the same as KG. both were talented and vesatile big men who couldn't carry a team on their backs.

luckily, KG stayed healthy and has a chance now.
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i hate it when injuries cut short great careers...
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
luckily, KG stayed healthy and has a chance now.
oops i meant to finish the sentence by saying KG has a chance now to win a ring.
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His numbers are there but the argument is there that he didn't have a typical HOF career or a first ballot HOFer. When Sacramento was battling the Lakers I mostly heard more about Bibby than CWebb. His legacy is tainted because of the timeout thing, riff with Don Nelson, and injuries. He was First Team NBA once but I think either KG or Duncan took the forward slots on 1st team.

Do you guys think Pau Gasol can get into the HOF? CW has 10 seasons with at least 50 games out of 15. Gasol has 7 so far. Gasol averages 18.8/8.6/3.1 vs CW 20.7/9.8/4.2 for a differenc of 1.9/1.2/1.1. Gasol is like KG in the sense where he'll finally get to go deep in the playoffs.

He'll probably get in but you can play devil's advocate. If it was baseball where it's very difficult to get in since guys like Andre Dawson hasn't gotten in yet CWebb would have the same problem.
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Career 20/9/4 guys:

Wilt Chamberlain
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Elgin Baylor
Billy Cunningham
Kevin Garnett
Chris Webber
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Back when CWebb was healthy with the Kings it used to be fun to watch them, but now the Kings aren't fun at all. He was recognized as a good PF, but he was never considered a game breaker, let's not forget numbers don't make the player it's their ability to affect the game that makes em great.


On a side note I think I'm the only one who is clueless about the timeout thing with CWebb, lol.
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Webber will have a hard time getting into the hall of fame, but not ruling it out. Webber is pretty well respected around the league.

It's unfortunate that Webber takes all the heat for the timeout - Steve Fisher shares half the blame.
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Originally Posted by Doom878
His numbers are there but the argument is there that he didn't have a typical HOF career or a first ballot HOFer. When Sacramento was battling the Lakers I mostly heard more about Bibby than CWebb. His legacy is tainted because of the timeout thing, riff with Don Nelson, and injuries. He was First Team NBA once but I think either KG or Duncan took the forward slots on 1st team.

Do you guys think Pau Gasol can get into the HOF? CW has 10 seasons with at least 50 games out of 15. Gasol has 7 so far. Gasol averages 18.8/8.6/3.1 vs CW 20.7/9.8/4.2 for a differenc of 1.9/1.2/1.1. Gasol is like KG in the sense where he'll finally get to go deep in the playoffs.

He'll probably get in but you can play devil's advocate. If it was baseball where it's very difficult to get in since guys like Andre Dawson hasn't gotten in yet CWebb would have the same problem.
you bring up some very good points.

he would have been on more all-nba first teams if not for KG and duncan. i don't think he should be penalized for playing in the same era along with two of the greatest PF's of all time.

difference with gasol is that he put up a lot of numbers on crap teams. webber, at least, took the bullets to the playoffs. and remember, the kings were laughingstock in the nba. it was the nba's prison, and webber was sent there as punishment, practically.

Eoanou is right in that during the kings' real threats to go to the finals, bibby was the go to player in the playoffs. but webber was still the vital clog for that team. he's the best passing big man i've ever seen. without him, peja and bibby wouldn't have gotten the many open looks they've seen.

i agree, we can play devil's advocate. but without KG's MVP trophy, a few more 1st team ballots, and if he doesn't win a trophy with boston, one could argue that KG and CWebb's careers are very similar. it's no secret that cassell/hudson were the mike bibby for KG in their single playoff run.
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Tim Legler, his old teammate, said he'd have a hard time getting in. Anyone catch Sportscenter last night? He said he'd vote for him but Stuart Scott asked him jokingly since CW and Legler were boys. Legler brought up a good point that he missed 300 games in his career and missed most of them while in his prime under 30. His numbers are great and he is vital but as stated he's not an impact player. I know that some great players have been traded but this guy was on 3 teams by the time he was 25.

Gasol made the playoffs 3 times 04-06. They missed 2007 because of the bad start after Gasol broke his foot. The 2004 Kings had the best record in 2003-2004 without Webber but then worsened when he returned.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pagewanted=all

Webber was in a fairly talented Warriors team. The Bullets team wasn't known to be loaded for that 1 yr. Obviously the Kings teams were talented as were the Sixers team and Pistons team.

He'll probably get in because Chris Mullin got in with 17000 pts, 3000 reb, and 3000 assists and only 17 have done it. Webber has about the same but more boards. So the argument for the voters will be numbers vs legacy.
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I loved his career, but I wouldn't put him in the Hall. Numbers are as good as any, but as the years pass, I think his career will either be forgettable or tainted by the timeout, him pleading guilty to accepting money from boosters, his run-ins with coaches, or him basically turning into a journeyman in the past couple of years.

Still, if he hadn't have gotten injured, I might consider it. He was fantastic every year against the Lakers. He's borderline HOF, but he falls on the outside, IMHO.
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all fair points.

but i was thinking that webber, along with the rest of the fab five, have really left a legacy on basketball.

perhaps not the kind of legacy that makes you a lock for the hall but a different kind.

the fab five were like the beatles of college basketball. it's amazing the cult status they had and still have. the long and baggy shorts and black socks could be attributable to the fab five. i middle school, EVERY one of us rocked the yellow or blue michigan basketball shorts with black socks.

mike tirico made an interesting comment yesterday. the made a legacy on the sport of basketball despite not having won anything.
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Yeah Fab 5 was a HUGE basketball story. Big time influence. I can see a nice documentary about that team if it hasn't been made yet.
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Yeah Fab 5 was a HUGE basketball story. Big time influence. I can see a nice documentary about that team if it hasn't been made yet.


there have been 15 min specials and segments, but i would love to see a full documentary on them.

it's a tremendous story, i think.

i've read the "Fab Five" book at least 15 times...
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Good career, fun seeing him play.
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Yeah Fab 5 was a HUGE basketball story. Big time influence. I can see a nice documentary about that team if it hasn't been made yet.
I'll remember the Fab 5 for all the shady shit that went on there
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