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11-17-2005, 05:06 PM
#84
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Originally Posted by Scottman111
it's pretty sad that he is sometimes considered the best free agent SP this year 
It's a dry market this year. But, it's near time to see how much Steiny is going to overpay for someone. Here's hoping he throws $500M at Furcal.
11-17-2005, 05:10 PM
#86
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Originally Posted by Scottman111
Why don't you encourage them to trade for Eric Miltion? 
Milton Bradley would look great in pinstripes too!
Say, is Albert Belle still playing?
11-17-2005, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Scottman111
I heard World Series winner Frank Thomas is available :wink:
11-17-2005, 05:31 PM
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i dont even want to talk about baseball, i think ive been through as much as any true fan of his team can possibly be through in the past years. to add to it, i actually fell for the words of Bruce Levinn when he said the Cubs were in the final stages of a deal for Juan Pierre. Go Bears is what I say
11-17-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Actually, I hope he resigns with the ChiSox. It'd be nice to see him end his career with them...Besides, if he's healthy, watch out.
with that. He proved that when he was back for that little bit
11-17-2005, 07:54 PM
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Coming back from the gym, 720 WGN said the Cubs just announced they signed Scott Eyre to a 2 year deal with yr. 3 as an option.
[X] Sign a good lefty in the pen
[ ] RF
[ ] SS
[ ] SP
[ ] Patterson Replacement
let's see how it plays out..
[X] Sign a good lefty in the pen
[ ] RF
[ ] SS
[ ] SP
[ ] Patterson Replacement
let's see how it plays out..
11-17-2005, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
Coming back from the gym, 720 WGN said the Cubs just announced they signed Scott Eyre to a 2 year deal with yr. 3 as an option.
[X] Sign a good lefty in the pen
[ ] RF
[ ] SS
[ ] SP
[ ] Patterson Replacement
let's see how it plays out..
[X] Sign a good lefty in the pen
[ ] RF
[ ] SS
[ ] SP
[ ] Patterson Replacement
let's see how it plays out..
11-17-2005, 08:16 PM
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1. Sign Furcal ASAP!! You do not want to instigate any emotion from him or his agent. Just sign him to a 4 year $39 M deal with a 5th yr. option if he wants it.
2. Trade for Juan Pierre
3. Trade for Kevin Mench
This would all leave room in the budget, which should either be kept or spent on a 5th starter. Otherwise, save it for next year since D Lee, Prior, and Carlos Z will be FAs at season's end. I'm confident Hendry knows this, he is a very smart GM.
My ideal lineup;
SS Furcal
CF Pierre
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
RF Mench
LF Murton
C Barrett
2B Cedeņo/Perez
P Prior
P Zambrano
P Wood
P Maddux
P Washburn/ Millwood/ Williams
2. Trade for Juan Pierre
3. Trade for Kevin Mench
This would all leave room in the budget, which should either be kept or spent on a 5th starter. Otherwise, save it for next year since D Lee, Prior, and Carlos Z will be FAs at season's end. I'm confident Hendry knows this, he is a very smart GM.
My ideal lineup;
SS Furcal
CF Pierre
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
RF Mench
LF Murton
C Barrett
2B Cedeņo/Perez
P Prior
P Zambrano
P Wood
P Maddux
P Washburn/ Millwood/ Williams
11-17-2005, 08:49 PM
#95
Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
D Lee, Prior, and Carlos Z will be FAs at season's end.
Now, its good being a yankee fan, just waiting for stars to be FA to sign big $$ contracts to come to NY
Too bad there's no one really to buy up this year
11-17-2005, 08:53 PM
#96
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Originally Posted by Chr8808
Poor Cubbies, you know they cant afford to keep all 3
Now, its good being a yankee fan, just waiting for stars to be FA to sign big $$ contracts to come to NY
Too bad there's no one really to buy up this year
Now, its good being a yankee fan, just waiting for stars to be FA to sign big $$ contracts to come to NY
Too bad there's no one really to buy up this year
11-21-2005, 01:26 PM
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Beckett to be traded to Rangers...
Wow...never saw that coming...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ort/index.html
Wow...never saw that coming...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ort/index.html
11-21-2005, 02:05 PM
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Yeah the Herald said it in yesterday's paper. Since we didn't get a new stadium, the current lease does not allow us to support a payroll that high. Carlos Delgado is probably gone too and they'd put Blalock on 1st. We might not re-sign Alex Gonzalez and sign Royce Clayton until our young SS Robert Andino is ready. The pitching staff will be Dontrelle and a bunch of youngins a la Oakland. It's going to be a long season.
11-21-2005, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Yeah the Herald said it in yesterday's paper. Since we didn't get a new stadium, the current lease does not allow us to support a payroll that high. Carlos Delgado is probably gone too and they'd put Blalock on 1st. We might not re-sign Alex Gonzalez and sign Royce Clayton until our young SS Robert Andino is ready. The pitching staff will be Dontrelle and a bunch of youngins a la Oakland. It's going to be a long season.
11-21-2005, 07:26 PM
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Sources: Beckett Boston Bound
Boston and Florida have tentatively agreed to a deal that sends both Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Red Sox, sources tell Peter Gammons and Jayson Stark. Florida would get two of Boston's top prospects, shortstop Hanley Ramirez and pitcher Anibal Sanchez.
Boston and Florida have tentatively agreed to a deal that sends both Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Red Sox, sources tell Peter Gammons and Jayson Stark. Florida would get two of Boston's top prospects, shortstop Hanley Ramirez and pitcher Anibal Sanchez.
11-21-2005, 08:38 PM
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good and bad sides on the red sox' end. young talent, but you're supporting a pretty potent lineup as is. I do, however, believe Mike Lowell is nearing the start of his decline, if not already there.
11-21-2005, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TLover
Sources: Beckett Boston Bound
Boston and Florida have tentatively agreed to a deal that sends both Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Red Sox, sources tell Peter Gammons and Jayson Stark. Florida would get two of Boston's top prospects, shortstop Hanley Ramirez and pitcher Anibal Sanchez.
Boston and Florida have tentatively agreed to a deal that sends both Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to the Red Sox, sources tell Peter Gammons and Jayson Stark. Florida would get two of Boston's top prospects, shortstop Hanley Ramirez and pitcher Anibal Sanchez.
11-22-2005, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
also the curse of having such a cheap owner
I was hoping to get Hank Blalock from the Rangers. You Sox fans will have a love/hate relationship with Beckett. If he stays healthy you'll love him, but if he gets hurt you'll hate him. Reason being he gets a lot of blister and stupid injuries. And he gets hurt a lot. He had a .500 career record until this year when he had career highs in everything. Hopefully he progresses and stays healthy.
Can someone tell me about who we got?
11-22-2005, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Yeah, I heard about the sox deal. I just hate seeing young talent get traded...
11-22-2005, 08:26 AM
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Hanley Ramirez is the Red Sox's biggest propect (now that paplebon is in the majors)... Hanley Ramirez is probably the top propect in ALL of baseball...
With Rentirea signed at short for 3 more years, Ramirez became expendable... Hanley has been described as having a big upside, but has also been tagged with the "imature" label.
I'm not as familair with Sanchez's history... All I know was that he was on the teams "untouchable top five propect" list... but it looks like both were "touchable" or tradeable after all..
http://bostondirtdogs.com/ will have links to alot of articles that might provide further background info.
I'm concerned about Beckett's health, but I like to compare this deal to when we traded Pavano (now with the yanks) for Pedro Martinez...
With Rentirea signed at short for 3 more years, Ramirez became expendable... Hanley has been described as having a big upside, but has also been tagged with the "imature" label.
I'm not as familair with Sanchez's history... All I know was that he was on the teams "untouchable top five propect" list... but it looks like both were "touchable" or tradeable after all..
http://bostondirtdogs.com/ will have links to alot of articles that might provide further background info.
I'm concerned about Beckett's health, but I like to compare this deal to when we traded Pavano (now with the yanks) for Pedro Martinez...
11-22-2005, 08:29 AM
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IMO Beckett will be for the Red Sox what Pavano was for the Yankees last year. I think it's a bad move on the Red Sox to do that. I would of moved Renteria before getting rid of Hanley.
11-22-2005, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
I just read the same thing. The Yankees were thinking about dealing Cano for Beckett and some other players which piss me off. I'm getting sick of them trading away young talent for over priced injury proned veterans. They need to learn to work with what they had. I still miss Alfonso Soriano..
Everyone hates A-rod and I don't get it. He may not be clutch in the playoffs, but the yanks may not have even got there without him.
As far as his personality, thats a different story
11-22-2005, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
IMO Beckett will be for the Red Sox what Pavano was for the Yankees last year. I think it's a bad move on the Red Sox to do that. I would of moved Renteria before getting rid of Hanley.
11-22-2005, 09:47 AM
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How can you hate MLB's MVP. He has had great postseasons with Seattle. It's not like he's Barry Bonds in that nature. But like said above, he got you there.
Beckett isn't really Pavano. Pavano already showed his stuff as a decent pitcher until his monster year with Florida. The Yanks plain and simple overpaid for him. Beckett has tremendous upside, younger, and can play in the postseason as the Yankees know.
Beckett isn't really Pavano. Pavano already showed his stuff as a decent pitcher until his monster year with Florida. The Yanks plain and simple overpaid for him. Beckett has tremendous upside, younger, and can play in the postseason as the Yankees know.
11-22-2005, 12:43 PM
#113
Originally Posted by CL Platano
IMO Beckett will be for the Red Sox what Pavano was for the Yankees last year. I think it's a bad move on the Red Sox to do that. I would of moved Renteria before getting rid of Hanley.
but I also agree with GreenMonster, moving Renteria wouldn't be easy..
11-22-2005, 01:12 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by Scottman111
but I also agree with GreenMonster, moving Renteria wouldn't be easy..
11-23-2005, 07:36 AM
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Marlins announced yesterday that because they can't get funding for a new stadium they are listening to offers to move cities. Las Vegas and Portland seem to be the front runners. Cliffs for those who don't know what's up:
Wayne Huizenga, who created the Marlins, dismantles 97 champs due to sagging attendance and to make the team easier to sell since he lost millions.
John Henry buys the team and tries to get stadium financing. Cites that due to lease agreement held by Huizenga (owns the stadium and Dolphins) and can't change terms of said lease will not be able to make money. Can't get anything from the local governments and sells the team to Jeff Loria.
Loria attempts to get financing. City and county agree to help but state rejects them. Funds needed were about $100 million short. Rumors are that Huizenga agrees to help on lease and add retractable dome that he would pay for. Huizenga chooses to do so due to plan of making Dolphin Stadium a center with a shopping mall, restaurants, bars, and a hotel. Loria said to have refused continues trying to make a deal.
Marlins president, David Sampson, announces they are taking offers to leave.
According to local radio host and ESPN reporter, Hank Goldberg, the Marlins plan of getting financing is not creative enough to acquire financing. The days of public financing have gone away due to it showing that a new stadium isn't automatic extra revenue. Stadiums like the Cardinals stadium are privately financed and in some cases most of the funds were from that franchise. The Cardinals put in 75% of their financing. Of course they have the revenue to do it since they have some of the best fans and always have great attendance.
Even after winning a 2nd World Series our attendance was still in the bottom. We were competing until September to make the playoffs, Dontrelle was Cy Young material, and Delgado and Cabrera were MVP material. Unfortunately we still can't fill. Baseball for whatever reason has no interest here even though it's our most successful franchise since the Fins in the 70s and somewhat in the 80s.
Wayne Huizenga, who created the Marlins, dismantles 97 champs due to sagging attendance and to make the team easier to sell since he lost millions.
John Henry buys the team and tries to get stadium financing. Cites that due to lease agreement held by Huizenga (owns the stadium and Dolphins) and can't change terms of said lease will not be able to make money. Can't get anything from the local governments and sells the team to Jeff Loria.
Loria attempts to get financing. City and county agree to help but state rejects them. Funds needed were about $100 million short. Rumors are that Huizenga agrees to help on lease and add retractable dome that he would pay for. Huizenga chooses to do so due to plan of making Dolphin Stadium a center with a shopping mall, restaurants, bars, and a hotel. Loria said to have refused continues trying to make a deal.
Marlins president, David Sampson, announces they are taking offers to leave.
According to local radio host and ESPN reporter, Hank Goldberg, the Marlins plan of getting financing is not creative enough to acquire financing. The days of public financing have gone away due to it showing that a new stadium isn't automatic extra revenue. Stadiums like the Cardinals stadium are privately financed and in some cases most of the funds were from that franchise. The Cardinals put in 75% of their financing. Of course they have the revenue to do it since they have some of the best fans and always have great attendance.
Even after winning a 2nd World Series our attendance was still in the bottom. We were competing until September to make the playoffs, Dontrelle was Cy Young material, and Delgado and Cabrera were MVP material. Unfortunately we still can't fill. Baseball for whatever reason has no interest here even though it's our most successful franchise since the Fins in the 70s and somewhat in the 80s.
11-23-2005, 09:19 AM
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Marlins continue to dismantle
Just read that the Marlins have agreed to trade Delgado to the METS for Mike Jacobs and Yusmeiro Petit. As a METS fan, I'm not too sure if I like the move to bring a guy here that rejected a contract with the METS. Hopefully he ain't too bitter. Although, if he keeps up his numbers, any team will be happy to have him.
MIAMI -- In January, Carlos Delgado signed the richest contract in Marlins history, when he opted for Florida over the Mets.
Less than a year later, Delgado reportedly has been dealt to the Mets.
According to Newsday, the financially-strapped Marlins have dealt Delgado to the Mets for first baseman Mike Jacobs and pitching prospect Yusmeiro Petit. In addition, the Marlins have agreed to pay $7 million toward the remainder of Delgado's contract.
In January, Delgado signed a five-year, $52 million contract that paid him $4 million in 2005. The Mets are assuming all but $7 million on the remaining $48 million owed to Delgado.
Dealing Delgado came on the heels of the Marlins announcing they have been granted permission to seek relocation. On Tuesday, Florida president David Samson said the club is exploring options for a new stadium.
Samson added the Marlins are in the process of slashing payroll.
Moving Delgado had been expected. The Marlins had discussions with the Mets and Orioles for the left-handed hitting slugger.
Delgado, 33, belted 33 home runs while driving in 115 runs and batting .301 in his only season with the Marlins.
Newsday reported the deal would be finalized pending completion of physicals. Jacobs, a left-handed hitting first baseman, hit .310 with 11 homers and 23 RBIs in 30 games last season. Petit, who turned 21 on Tuesday, is considered the Mets' top pitching prospect, going 903 with a 2.92 ERA at Double-A Binghamton.
Less than a year later, Delgado reportedly has been dealt to the Mets.
According to Newsday, the financially-strapped Marlins have dealt Delgado to the Mets for first baseman Mike Jacobs and pitching prospect Yusmeiro Petit. In addition, the Marlins have agreed to pay $7 million toward the remainder of Delgado's contract.
In January, Delgado signed a five-year, $52 million contract that paid him $4 million in 2005. The Mets are assuming all but $7 million on the remaining $48 million owed to Delgado.
Dealing Delgado came on the heels of the Marlins announcing they have been granted permission to seek relocation. On Tuesday, Florida president David Samson said the club is exploring options for a new stadium.
Samson added the Marlins are in the process of slashing payroll.
Moving Delgado had been expected. The Marlins had discussions with the Mets and Orioles for the left-handed hitting slugger.
Delgado, 33, belted 33 home runs while driving in 115 runs and batting .301 in his only season with the Marlins.
Newsday reported the deal would be finalized pending completion of physicals. Jacobs, a left-handed hitting first baseman, hit .310 with 11 homers and 23 RBIs in 30 games last season. Petit, who turned 21 on Tuesday, is considered the Mets' top pitching prospect, going 903 with a 2.92 ERA at Double-A Binghamton.
11-23-2005, 10:03 AM
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I heard Delgado was turned off by how Omar Minaya, Mets GM, negotiated. He was insulted by how Minaya spoke spanish to him and wasn't as professional as could be. Mets were a contender to getting him before we did.
11-23-2005, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Doom878
I heard Delgado was turned off by how Omar Minaya, Mets GM, negotiated. He was insulted by how Minaya spoke spanish to him and wasn't as professional as could be. Mets were a contender to getting him before we did.
The Mets really should let Jacobs grow and get more pitching
