NFL: 2016 Season News and Discussion Thread
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From: ShitsBurgh
When you hear that a 25 year old was arrested for pulling the fire alarm at 3 am...
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From: ShitsBurgh
Despite the childish shenanigans of pulling fire alarms, and the dozens of ignored penalties that could have been called, the Steelers beat themselves, no sour grapes here. Just hoping the Falcons can give a good performance at the SB
#1045
Rodgers is better than Brady... Brady can't scramble worth a damn. Rodgers had 3 TD's and could have had more but we were dropping passes left and right and our defense straight up lost the game for us. That was one poor performance by them and the Defensive play calling was also terrible.
To all the Brady nut swingers, what makes him better than Rodgers?
To all the Brady nut swingers, what makes him better than Rodgers?
#1046
He didnt even care to leave total masshole
"State Police arrested Harrison, who they said pulled the alarm, after they found him walking on the building’s property. They said he was not a guest at the hotel and had no legitimate reason for being there."
"State Police arrested Harrison, who they said pulled the alarm, after they found him walking on the building’s property. They said he was not a guest at the hotel and had no legitimate reason for being there."
#1047
Rodgers is better than Brady... Brady can't scramble worth a damn. Rodgers had 3 TD's and could have had more but we were dropping passes left and right and our defense straight up lost the game for us. That was one poor performance by them and the Defensive play calling was also terrible.
To all the Brady nut swingers, what makes him better than Rodgers?
To all the Brady nut swingers, what makes him better than Rodgers?
#1050
Nobody is arguing Rodgers physical talent. Probably the most talented ever, but talented and greatest are two different things. He has one ring in 11 years and hasnt been back since 2010
Hes a modern Dan Marino
Hes a modern Dan Marino
#1051
I am so sick of seeing that picture. Congrats on more rings than Rodgers! Look at head to head stats. Brady has Rodgers beat in a few comparisons. Other than that he is your mediocre QB. If it weren't for all the dropped passes by the Packer's receivers this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion. Superbowl wins are based on how well your defense is to get your team there. 1 guy can only do so much for the team but if you have to continuously put up 40-50 points to win, you wont have many Superbowl appearances.
#1053
Brady is the perfect quarterback for Belichick's system. Right man, right team, right system, right supporting cast. And they've figured out how to sustain that formula and repeat it. The QB in that system needs to be smart and accurate. They do not necessarily need to be athletic. And I think Brady is notably intelligent and notably accurate - well above his peers.
Rodgers hasn't had the consistent supporting cast, and I don't think the intersection of the system and his talents is as ideal as Brady and the Pats. But Rogers dragged a team that had no real business being in the playoffs all the way to the NFC championship through his athleticism and force of will. Both of which are also remarkable. I don't know how you crown "who is better" without dragging in a lot of bias.
In the end, I think those two names will forever be in the conversation when best all-time QBs comes up.
Rodgers hasn't had the consistent supporting cast, and I don't think the intersection of the system and his talents is as ideal as Brady and the Pats. But Rogers dragged a team that had no real business being in the playoffs all the way to the NFC championship through his athleticism and force of will. Both of which are also remarkable. I don't know how you crown "who is better" without dragging in a lot of bias.
In the end, I think those two names will forever be in the conversation when best all-time QBs comes up.
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#1054
Brady is the perfect quarterback for Belichick's system. Right man, right team, right system, right supporting cast. And they've figured out how to sustain that formula and repeat it. The QB in that system needs to be smart and accurate. They do not necessarily need to be athletic. And I think Brady is notably intelligent and notably accurate - well above his peers.
Rodgers hasn't had the consistent supporting cast, and I don't think the intersection of the system and his talents is as ideal as Brady and the Pats. But Rogers dragged a team that had no real business being in the playoffs all the way to the NFC championship through his athleticism and force of will. Both of which are also remarkable. I don't know how you crown "who is better" without dragging in a lot of bias.
In the end, I think those two names will forever be in the conversation when best all-time QBs comes up.
Rodgers hasn't had the consistent supporting cast, and I don't think the intersection of the system and his talents is as ideal as Brady and the Pats. But Rogers dragged a team that had no real business being in the playoffs all the way to the NFC championship through his athleticism and force of will. Both of which are also remarkable. I don't know how you crown "who is better" without dragging in a lot of bias.
In the end, I think those two names will forever be in the conversation when best all-time QBs comes up.
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#1056
This isnt directly at you 1louder but find me a GOAT that didnt benefit from a system. Obviously Rodgers is hurt by his, buts thats life.
Montana/Young had Walsh
Bradshaw had Noll
Magic Johnson had Riley
Bill Russell had Red Auerbach
Jordan didnt get to the finals until Phil Jackson showed up
Duncan had Pop
Playing the "what if" game is stupid because you can never prove or disprove anything and it can be used a billion different ways. What if Rodgers was drafted 1st by the 49ers? What if Belichick stayed in NY? What if Portland drafted Jordan? What if Asante Samuel picked off Eli? What if Babe Ruth played today?
What ifs are fun but hold no water
Montana/Young had Walsh
Bradshaw had Noll
Magic Johnson had Riley
Bill Russell had Red Auerbach
Jordan didnt get to the finals until Phil Jackson showed up
Duncan had Pop
Playing the "what if" game is stupid because you can never prove or disprove anything and it can be used a billion different ways. What if Rodgers was drafted 1st by the 49ers? What if Belichick stayed in NY? What if Portland drafted Jordan? What if Asante Samuel picked off Eli? What if Babe Ruth played today?
What ifs are fun but hold no water
#1057
How good the Patriots are is not a debate. How they have gone about it? Yeah, I guess that's contestable...
As a Bears fan, I can only dream Chicago had half of that annual success. Still, doesn't mean I like the Patriots or their shenanigans. Nope nope nope.
Looking at the match-up, the Falcons are going to have a hard time beating New England. But, here's hoping.
As a Bears fan, I can only dream Chicago had half of that annual success. Still, doesn't mean I like the Patriots or their shenanigans. Nope nope nope.
Looking at the match-up, the Falcons are going to have a hard time beating New England. But, here's hoping.
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#1059
This isnt directly at you 1louder but find me a GOAT that didnt benefit from a system. Obviously Rodgers is hurt by his, buts thats life.
Montana/Young had Walsh
Bradshaw had Noll
Magic Johnson had Riley
Bill Russell had Red Auerbach
Jordan didnt get to the finals until Phil Jackson showed up
Duncan had Pop
Playing the "what if" game is stupid because you can never prove or disprove anything and it can be used a billion different ways. What if Rodgers was drafted 1st by the 49ers? What if Belichick stayed in NY? What if Portland drafted Jordan? What if Asante Samuel picked off Eli? What if Babe Ruth played today?
What ifs are fun but hold no water
Montana/Young had Walsh
Bradshaw had Noll
Magic Johnson had Riley
Bill Russell had Red Auerbach
Jordan didnt get to the finals until Phil Jackson showed up
Duncan had Pop
Playing the "what if" game is stupid because you can never prove or disprove anything and it can be used a billion different ways. What if Rodgers was drafted 1st by the 49ers? What if Belichick stayed in NY? What if Portland drafted Jordan? What if Asante Samuel picked off Eli? What if Babe Ruth played today?
What ifs are fun but hold no water
#1060
I hate and can't stand the who's better game. I think why some people say that about Rodgers is because of some of his throws are very athletic and memorable. The perception of Brady's career is standing in a pocket for 10 seconds and finding a receiver 10 yards away who breaks a few tackles for a a 90 yard score while Rodgers is scrambling, placing his feet for a throw, more scrambling for his life, and then tossing an off-balance bullet for 60 yards in the air with pinpoint accuracy. Both are legends with HoF careers.
The reason I even bring it up is your comment about 10 seconds in the pocket. Brady got the ball out without moving his feet multiple times, and it made the Packer's blitz ineffective. This isn't a counter to your post but just an observation about a great QB quality that some people don't always recognize.
#1061
I hate and can't stand the who's better game. I think why some people say that about Rodgers is because of some of his throws are very athletic and memorable. The perception of Brady's career is standing in a pocket for 10 seconds and finding a receiver 10 yards away who breaks a few tackles for a a 90 yard score while Rodgers is scrambling, placing his feet for a throw, more scrambling for his life, and then tossing an off-balance bullet for 60 yards in the air with pinpoint accuracy. Both are legends with HoF careers.
I also don't like the implication that Brady is necessarily any smarter. It was said that in the final drive against the Cowboys, Rodgers was calling most or all of the plays. And that supposedly in 2 minute drills, McCarthy will just hand Rodgers the play calling reins if that's what he wants to do. Hell, on the play where Cook caught that sideline pass to put them in FG range, the Packers didn't even call a play. Rodgers was just telling everybody which routes to run. And we all know how that went.
Rodgers not only makes the more impressive throws (subjective), he is statistically better as well (factual). He has the best TD-to-INT ratio among all current QBs doesn't he?
#1062
But stats don't matter, cuz you know Brady has 4 rings...
Piss on his 4 rings. As mentioned above, if you have all the ducks in a row you will win multiple Superbowls. Look at it this way, put Rodgers on the Patriots and we can picture the rest.
Piss on his 4 rings. As mentioned above, if you have all the ducks in a row you will win multiple Superbowls. Look at it this way, put Rodgers on the Patriots and we can picture the rest.
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#1064
Just becasue the Pats have an arguably admirable "system" does not take away from Brady IMO. The reason they so many SB rings is the intersection of a HOF QB + consistently outstanding system/supporting cast. Joe Montana probably recognizes that.
Take a QB like Rodgers, and you have HOF QB + most of the time good but not as consistent system/supporting cast. Competitive most of the time, wins SB some of the time when the stars align. Elway probably recognizes that.
Both deserve their place in history.
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#1065
While I agree that Rodgers will likely be a future HOFer, if Brady wins a 5th ring....it's likely that he'll be the undisputed GOAT in NFL for a long, long time...the way Brady/Belichick wins is incredible over the past 17 years like no other (given my short career of NFL fandom and limited past NFL history).
Critics of Brady are still there, and I hate the Pats with a passion (and all their scandals, cheating, etc.) but at the end of the day if he has 5 rings (or even more....if his play does not drop next couple of years) then there's literally no doubt that he will go down as the GOAT just as Jordan and some other GOATs in other sports.....great QB married to a great system/coaching staff.
In addition, to counter some critics, Pats have had some very very suspect receiving corps (and they are without their star TE) but somehow the team makes no-names out to be huge stars (Hogan, LaFell in the past, etc.) which is also incredible.
Critics of Brady are still there, and I hate the Pats with a passion (and all their scandals, cheating, etc.) but at the end of the day if he has 5 rings (or even more....if his play does not drop next couple of years) then there's literally no doubt that he will go down as the GOAT just as Jordan and some other GOATs in other sports.....great QB married to a great system/coaching staff.
In addition, to counter some critics, Pats have had some very very suspect receiving corps (and they are without their star TE) but somehow the team makes no-names out to be huge stars (Hogan, LaFell in the past, etc.) which is also incredible.
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Joneill44 (01-25-2017)
#1066
Doesn't matter. People will throw in stats to the argument since Brady doesn't hold all the all time passing stats yet even if he wins the Super Bowl. They'll just use the argument that Super Bowl rings are team achievements.
#1067
Heres why rings count more than all time stats. Even though Brady is on pace to finish top 2 in Yards, TDs and Completions, guess who's finishing 1st? Drew Brees in a landslide. I dont hear anyone saying Brees is the best all time
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#1069
When Favre was #1 in stats he was in the argument. Marino was also when he held the stats before Favre beat his records. Manning also before flaming out. Brees should probably be in the argument when it's all said and done but he's been on bad Saints teams that gave up a million points. Crazy I didn't realize he's like top 5 in those stats
#1070
Kinda surprised to see this
Ben Roethlisberger to evaluate ?if there?s going to be a next season? | ProFootballTalk
Ben Roethlisberger to evaluate ?if there?s going to be a next season? | ProFootballTalk
“I’m going to take this offseason to evaluate, to consider all options,” Roethlisberger said. “To consider health, and family and things like that and just kind of take some time away to evaluate next season, if there’s going to be a next season. All those things. I think at this point in my career, at my age, that’s the prudent and smart thing to do every year.”
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From: ShitsBurgh
I think it's a message to the team to improve their shit defense, although the D improved over the season, it definitely had many weaknesses that need to be fixed. I severely doubt that Ben doesn't come back for another run next year
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#1074
Whenever my team isn't in it, I like underdog stories. And while Falcon fans would probably be offended at the idea they might be the underdog, the Patriots are usually playing Goliath to someones David. Also Pats have won it a lot, Falcons never. Speaking as a fan who spent decades rooting for a team that was only competitive a couple times before winning it all, it means a lot to the fans and the city when that happens. Atlanta has gone once and lost - kind of like the Seahawks were before. When you don't get many shots and you are this close, nice to see a team win it that hasn't before.
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#1075
What are your thoughts on Tomlin? Do you like him or do you think hes a "cheerleader" coach?
#1076
That would be like saying the F-150 is the best of all time, because it has won the most best selling vehicle awards. McLaren F1 be damned.
#1077
I'd like to see the Falcons but not exactly for that reason.
Whenever my team isn't in it, I like underdog stories. And while Falcon fans would probably be offended at the idea they might be the underdog, the Patriots are usually playing Goliath to someones David. Also Pats have won it a lot, Falcons never. Speaking as a fan who spent decades rooting for a team that was only competitive a couple times before winning it all, it means a lot to the fans and the city when that happens. Atlanta has gone once and lost - kind of like the Seahawks were before. When you don't get many shots and you are this close, nice to see a team win it that hasn't before.
Whenever my team isn't in it, I like underdog stories. And while Falcon fans would probably be offended at the idea they might be the underdog, the Patriots are usually playing Goliath to someones David. Also Pats have won it a lot, Falcons never. Speaking as a fan who spent decades rooting for a team that was only competitive a couple times before winning it all, it means a lot to the fans and the city when that happens. Atlanta has gone once and lost - kind of like the Seahawks were before. When you don't get many shots and you are this close, nice to see a team win it that hasn't before.
#1078
Rings count more in what regard? You mean prestige and acclaim? In that case, yes, they do count more. But they do not mean one QB is better than another.
That would be like saying the F-150 is the best of all time, because it has won the most best selling vehicle awards. McLaren F1 be damned.
That would be like saying the F-150 is the best of all time, because it has won the most best selling vehicle awards. McLaren F1 be damned.