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02-16-2005, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
I think the sport is just evolving. Do you think a team from 1980 could hang with a team today? I don't think so. Players are bigger, stronger, faster... those shooters from back in the day that everyone talks about as being pure basketball... would get their asses kicked today.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
Its true that there are less pure shooters, but that is because that skill alone is not enough to be competitive anymore. You've gotta be 6'8" with a 7 foot vertical leap also. I love the NBA and I think its better than ever.
You watched any suns games recently? Incredible.
Esp. w/ kids like Lebron comming back in the game, who aren't show offs but well rounded players
02-16-2005, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Well, a true baseball player supposedly has a cannon of an arm and can run fast to cover bases and catch linedrive-types of hits...
Certainly, you could argue to do both, the conditioning does not require one to be as fit as say a basketball player or football player...But, athletes nonetheless...
Certainly, you could argue to do both, the conditioning does not require one to be as fit as say a basketball player or football player...But, athletes nonetheless...
I'm not saying that there aren't athletes playing baseball, there certainly are, but baseball is not an athletic sport.
02-16-2005, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
An athletic baseball player has a cannon of an arm and can run fast to cover bases and catch linedrive-types of hits.....
I'm not saying that there aren't athletes playing baseball, there certainly are, but baseball is not an athletic sport.
I'm not saying that there aren't athletes playing baseball, there certainly are, but baseball is not an athletic sport.
02-16-2005, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tmk70
Lebron is the ONLY player today I see with good all around skills.
You're telling me Duncan doesn't have good all around skills??? What about KG??? both can shoot from outside, play in the paint, and defend with the best.
02-16-2005, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
You're telling me Duncan doesn't have good all around skills??? What about KG??? both can shoot from outside, play in the paint, and defend with the best.
02-16-2005, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Well, for athletes, MLB baseball players need the most shelf-life to recover from injury...So, you have to figure that the requirement for all parts to work properly is crucial. In that regards, you cannot discount the athletics needed?
Anyway, I look at it like this....
In baseball... It helps if you are athletic, but the sport does not require it. In other words, you would not call all baseball players athletes, but not being an athlete does not mean you can't play baseball (i.e. John Kruk, David Wells, Babe Ruth).
In basketball... The sport requires athleticism, the more athletic the better. In other words, you would call (almost) all basketball players athletes, because if you aren't athletic you won't be playing in the league for very long (i.e. Manute Bol, Oliver Miller, etc.)
02-16-2005, 03:09 PM
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ath·lete ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thlt)
n.
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.
Sounds like baseball players to me
n.
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.
Sounds like baseball players to me
02-16-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Yep. I agree there...Iverson is another that comes to mind. Never liked his attitude but you gotta love his reckless-abandon approach.
That dude is a thief :thief:
02-16-2005, 03:13 PM
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Well, all I want is something done to Bonds if MLB addresses the steroid issue again. I really, really, really dislike him...
02-16-2005, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter
ath·lete ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thlt)
n.
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.
Sounds like baseball players to me
n.
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.
Sounds like baseball players to me
strength, agility, and endurance
nope. sounds like some baseball players, but definitely not a majority. Maybe strength applies, but not agility or endurance of the physical sort.
02-16-2005, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
You're telling me Duncan doesn't have good all around skills??? What about KG??? both can shoot from outside, play in the paint, and defend with the best.
02-16-2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tmk70
I'm not saying they aren't good, I was talking in reference to the greats of yesteryear. :killer: If I were putting together a team? I'd take Bird and Magic over KG and Tim Duncan.
02-16-2005, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tmk70
If I were putting together a team? I'd take Bird and Magic over KG and Tim Duncan.
You old timers...
KG and Duncan would run shop on Magic and Bird.
02-16-2005, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
strength, agility, and endurance nope. sounds like some baseball players, but definitely not a majority. Maybe strength applies, but not agility or endurance of the physical sort.
nope. sounds like some baseball players, but definitely not a majority. Maybe strength applies, but not agility or endurance of the physical sort.
02-16-2005, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Always Dirty
What are you talking about? - they all need agility to play their positions and bat and they need endurance to play 163 games in a season, usually at least 6 days a week and the training regimen that comes with it.
they don't all need agility to play their positions and bat.
02-16-2005, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
first of all, they don't "play" 163 games a season. They only actually "playing" for a fraction of each of those games. It takes mental endurance most definitely, not athletic endurance. The most athletic endurance required is in their own conditioning program, not the game of baseball itself. And they don't all need agility to play their positions and bat.
they don't all need agility to play their positions and bat.
02-16-2005, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Oof...I disagree with you there. You want to try and hit a 90+ MPH fastball and hit it to a gap or place in the field? That's agility if you ask me...
02-16-2005, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
agreed. but not all players can do that, nor is it a requirement for the game of baseball. that's all I'm saying.
02-16-2005, 03:49 PM
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I think the 92 Dream Team would kick ass all over these young punks. Did you ever watch Magic Johnson or Larry Bird?
Original Dream Team > *
02-16-2005, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jayhawk815
Original Dream Team > *
Any Dream Team with Jordan and Pippen on it will kick butt...And of course, you cannot discount Barkley, Drexler, Johnson, and Bird...
02-16-2005, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Well, how can you say that? The fastball is a staple of any MLB pitcher. So, any hitter has to be able to make contact with a ball thrown like that...
02-16-2005, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
How many pitchers in the american league (or the national for that matter) can hit a 90mph fastball, or place a ball in the gap? they are few and far between. And any hitter can make contact, that doesn't make them agile. It's what they are able to do with it, that makes them agile. But even then, skill is more important than the athletic ability involved.
Guess we'll just agree to disagree!
Anyhow, go Cubs!
02-16-2005, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Any Dream Team with Jordan and Pippen on it will kick butt...And of course, you cannot discount Barkley, Drexler, Johnson, and Bird...
why do we even bother comparing that team to anybody? That team had players that made up 20% of the leagues 50 greatest of all time.
02-16-2005, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
why do we even bother comparing that team to anybody? That team had players that made up 20% of the leagues 50 greatest of all time.
That's a good comparo, right there...My, my...how the skill has dropped...
02-16-2005, 03:57 PM
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I don't even know why they kept calling it the Dream Team after 92, it should've just been the Fantasy Team. nothing can compare to the OG dreamers
02-16-2005, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Well, let's compare the 92 version to the craptacular joke that was in the recent Olympics...
That's a good comparo, right there...My, my...how the skill has dropped...
That's a good comparo, right there...My, my...how the skill has dropped...
02-16-2005, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
The skill hasn't dropped, just the interest/emphasis on the Olympic team. The most recent team was in no way the best the NBA had to offer.
02-16-2005, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jayhawk815
True, but even if they did get the best, they wouldn't have dominated like the original. Part of that is definitely the rest of the world catching up. The current NBA players are more athletic than the original members of the Dream Team, but lack their skill and aren't as fundamentally sound.
02-16-2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Oof...I disagree with you there. You want to try and hit a 90+ MPH fastball and hit it to a gap or place in the field? That's agility if you ask me...
02-16-2005, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
I guess you never heard of Hakeem Olajuwon? 
02-16-2005, 06:37 PM
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Some of you guys have no idea how good and athletic pro athletes are, regardless of which sport they play.
To say that baseball players are not athletes is ridiculous. Any person that plays sports for a living is an athlete.
It's these guys' jobs to prepare for competition and perform well. People seem to forget all the training and exeercise they do when NOT on the field. Most take care of their bodies exceptionally well.
And for every David Wells, there are 10 random position players who are incredibly athletic and have crazy bodies. Hell, take any center fielder. Torri Hunter for example. Try telling me he isn't an athlete.
And for the record, David Wells is stronger and faster than 90% of the guys on this board.
To say that baseball players are not athletes is ridiculous. Any person that plays sports for a living is an athlete.
It's these guys' jobs to prepare for competition and perform well. People seem to forget all the training and exeercise they do when NOT on the field. Most take care of their bodies exceptionally well.
And for every David Wells, there are 10 random position players who are incredibly athletic and have crazy bodies. Hell, take any center fielder. Torri Hunter for example. Try telling me he isn't an athlete.
And for the record, David Wells is stronger and faster than 90% of the guys on this board.