LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony
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LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony
my buddy and I were talking which is a better player. He says James. I say Carmelo. To me James has a real attitude problem
#4
Originally Posted by Water-S
my buddy and I were talking which is a better player. He says James. I say Carmelo. To me James has a real attitude problem
You really have issues with people who achieve alot and like to show off don't you. Don' t be such a fucking hater.....cripes.
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The only reason I like lebron is because he doesn't have an attitude problem. He's there for his team, he's not a ball hog, he's not a loud mouth. Kid is a awesome all around player.
I hope we get more players like him in the future.
I hope we get more players like him in the future.
#14
Originally Posted by CLpower
The only reason I like lebron is because he doesn't have an attitude problem. He's there for his team, he's not a ball hog, he's not a loud mouth. Kid is a awesome all around player.
I hope we get more players like him in the future.
I hope we get more players like him in the future.
Exactly why I like him as well. Too many ball players are trying to live the hip hop lifestyle.
#15
Originally Posted by Maximized
Exactly why I like him as well. Too many ball players are trying to live the hip hop lifestyle.
As long as college basketball and football, baseball, golf, and NFL never go away, I'll be ok.
#16
Originally Posted by Water-S
To me James has a real attitude problem
why would you say that?
Originally Posted by teg_to_TSX
wtf? How can you even compare the two?
Lebron >>> Carmelo.
Lebron >>> Carmelo.
no question.
#19
Originally Posted by BEETROOT
you don't watch NBA because of the players social lives?
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I love the game of basketball, but it seems like players now-a-days are jackasses. Again, I feel it comes down to some of these players trying to act like thugs. When you are a professional player, try to conduct yourself with some class. It's almost to the point where I feel there should be some sort of dress code for the NBA.
there have always been thugs jackasses in the leagues.
What do you mean by thugs, because the guys are black, wear diamond chains, and have tattoos?
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but take a look through the past decades, there have always been bad seeds, shit look at the old school pistons
#23
Originally Posted by BEETROOT
you don't watch NBA because of the players social lives?
#24
Originally Posted by cob3683
No, I just don't feel like watching an All-star game every night where its all about each individual player "getting theirs." There are exceptions like Duncan, James, Wade, etc. I don't watch the NBA for the same reason I don't watch Lifetime: it doesn't interest me.
#27
Originally Posted by goose25
There are a helluva lot more exceptions than just Duncan, James, Wade, etc. In a league with over 300 players there are bound to be a few bad apples, and, unfortunately, those apples get a lot of publicity (Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Rasheed Wallace to name a few) for the things that they have done both on and off the court. There are plenty of decent NBA players that you never hear too much about who are god fearing, family oriented people who dont have posses or Hummers or the like.
Last edited by cob3683; 02-27-2005 at 10:05 AM.
#28
Originally Posted by cob3683
No kidding, but like you said, the media doesn't feel like advertising the good guys, they show the guys that go into the stands and kick fans asses.
whoa, wait you don't think the brawl needed to be covered?
#29
Originally Posted by Zapata
whoa, wait you don't think the brawl needed to be covered?
#30
Originally Posted by CLpower
What do you mean by thugs, because the guys are black, wear diamond chains, and have tattoos?
Everybody loves to forget how rapes, assaults etc., on college campuses by get covered up by the NCAA for big name college campuses, you have baseball coaches beating there wives up same with hockey, NFL has had it's share of problems with players but somehow it gets classified as a problem with the mystical "hip hop" culture....which if you ask some of these people to define the culture, amazingly the definition will cover those areas which are "bad", "thug", "bling-bling".
#31
Originally Posted by cob3683
No, I think it needed to. But the extent to which they covered it was a little crazy. Hell, it was on sportscenter for 24 hrs a day for a week after it happened. Also little kids who look up to these players could now think this is ok to do.
1. Extent? Major news stories get a 24 hour lifespan? How long did they cover the homerun race? Do you think only the positive needs to be covered? Do you think peopel can't decide for themselves what is good and bad? You think people only need to be spoon fed, the " good things"?
2. ESPN was saying it was ok? There weren't saying this is henous, dispicable, wrong etc.,????
#32
Originally Posted by cob3683
No, I think it needed to. But the extent to which they covered it was a little crazy. Hell, it was on sportscenter for 24 hrs a day for a week after it happened. Also little kids who look up to these players could now think this is ok to do.
#33
Originally Posted by goose25
The reason that it was covered non-stop on air was because the incident was so unusual for American sporting activities. I've seen much deadlier incidents in Football matches in Europe and the coverage dedicated to it was less than 10% of the ESPN coverage.
What was the coverage in the local markets in Europe. Assure you was more than the foreign press of ESPN gave to it. Holaganism has been covered to a great extent here in the states. Although specific incidents and extended coverage time for those incidents don't match the extent of the pacers v. pistons brawl wasn't equal I would argue overall coverage has been pretty much the same.
#35
Originally Posted by Zapata
1. Extent? Major news stories get a 24 hour lifespan? How long did they cover the homerun race? Do you think only the positive needs to be covered? Do you think peopel can't decide for themselves what is good and bad? You think people only need to be spoon fed, the " good things"?
2. ESPN was saying it was ok? There weren't saying this is henous, dispicable, wrong etc.,????
2. ESPN was saying it was ok? There weren't saying this is henous, dispicable, wrong etc.,????
1) Why keep covering the same thing over and over. Once you've seen it, they don't need to show the clip 500 times a day. They covered the home run race because that it is history being made, not assholes (fans and players) fighting in the stands. Big difference. People can decide what is good and bad and I never said "spoon fed" the good things. But as I said, there comes a point where to much coverage happens.
2) ESPN completely went against it. But you know how kids are who look up to their role models, they want to be just like them and emulate their every move regardless what their parents/teachers/media say.
#36
1. Lebron James
2. Dwayn Wade (thank Kobe for running off the big man)
3. Carmelo Anthony (who seems to be getting killed in the local media for all his mistakes and trangsressions)
2. Dwayn Wade (thank Kobe for running off the big man)
3. Carmelo Anthony (who seems to be getting killed in the local media for all his mistakes and trangsressions)
#37
Originally Posted by CLpower
there have always been thugs jackasses in the leagues.
What do you mean by thugs, because the guys are black, wear diamond chains, and have tattoos?
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but take a look through the past decades, there have always been bad seeds, shit look at the old school pistons
What do you mean by thugs, because the guys are black, wear diamond chains, and have tattoos?
Sure there are a few bad seeds, but take a look through the past decades, there have always been bad seeds, shit look at the old school pistons
#38
Let me get this straight....you are trying to compare some guy, who's season highlight is banging Christina Auguilera and not making the all-star game in his home town to someone who is one of the top five candidates for league MVP this year???? Can't even dignify this question with a response.....(btw I grew up in Cleveland, so I might be somewhat biased....)
#39
1- Coverage was big because the event was the first time there was such an event on U.S. soil. An event is an event, home run race and/or player-fan brawl. There was sufficient coverage of both.
2- I don't have kids but if your issue is kids seeing bad things then television needs to be thrown out the window along with INternet access. Kids will emulate the cool "bad" kids in their schools....nothing to with "thug" players on the TV. The message of the coverage was very clear. I think the follow up by ESPN was also good where they had the press conference of the DA explaining who was charged with what etc.,
I just disagree with you're evaluation of the NBA being some sort of group of misfits when each of the sports you highlighted have the same issues, if not worse but yet you singled out the NBA for whatever reason.
2- I don't have kids but if your issue is kids seeing bad things then television needs to be thrown out the window along with INternet access. Kids will emulate the cool "bad" kids in their schools....nothing to with "thug" players on the TV. The message of the coverage was very clear. I think the follow up by ESPN was also good where they had the press conference of the DA explaining who was charged with what etc.,
I just disagree with you're evaluation of the NBA being some sort of group of misfits when each of the sports you highlighted have the same issues, if not worse but yet you singled out the NBA for whatever reason.
Originally Posted by cob3683
You're reading a little bit too much into this.
1) Why keep covering the same thing over and over. Once you've seen it, they don't need to show the clip 500 times a day. They covered the home run race because that it is history being made, not assholes (fans and players) fighting in the stands. Big difference. People can decide what is good and bad and I never said "spoon fed" the good things. But as I said, there comes a point where to much coverage happens.
2) ESPN completely went against it. But you know how kids are who look up to their role models, they want to be just like them and emulate their every move regardless what their parents/teachers/media say.
1) Why keep covering the same thing over and over. Once you've seen it, they don't need to show the clip 500 times a day. They covered the home run race because that it is history being made, not assholes (fans and players) fighting in the stands. Big difference. People can decide what is good and bad and I never said "spoon fed" the good things. But as I said, there comes a point where to much coverage happens.
2) ESPN completely went against it. But you know how kids are who look up to their role models, they want to be just like them and emulate their every move regardless what their parents/teachers/media say.
#40
Originally Posted by Maximized
There are white and black players whom conduct themselves in that way. There have been bad seeds in the past, but not as many that are present today. Today, yes many players have tats and wear their jerseys large/pants sagged. I sometimes think that they forget that they aren't appearing in a Big Tymers video. On the flipside, look at Tim Duncan for example. He is how many of these young players should aspire to be. Duncan is well articulated, humble, and polite in every interview I have seen of him.
So in other words you want people to stop being themselves, forget their cultural past and act in ways that are more palatable for your consumption. The "culture" you seem to want to identify as "hip-hop" is the media delievered SUBURBAN WHITE consumer driven culture of MTV.