ESPN: Falcons agree to deal backup QB Schaub to Houston
03-21-2007 | 03:45 PM
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ESPN: Falcons agree to deal backup QB Schaub to Houston
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ATLANTA -- In a move that figures to have significant ramifications for the incumbent starters from both teams, the Atlanta Falcons on Wednesday agreed in principle to trade three-year veteran quarterback Matt Schaub to the Houston Texans.
When the trade is completed, Atlanta and Houston will flip-flop first-round picks in April's draft, and Atlanta will receive Houston's second-round picks in 2007 and 2008. The deal likely will be completed later Wednesday afternoon. Houston has the No. 8 pick in the first round of the draft, while Atlanta is slotted 10th.
Sources told ESPN.com that the trade is contingent upon the Texans reaching agreement with Schaub on a contract, and negotiations have already begun.
In acquiring Schaub, the Texans have ostensibly conceded that five-year veteran David Carr, the top overall player chosen in the 2002 draft and a quarterback in whom Houston has invested considerable time and money, is no longer their quarterback of the future. At the same time, the departure of Schaub indicates that new Falcons coach Bobby Petrino is sold on Michael Vick, who is said to have made a strong impression on the rookie sideline boss in their first few months working together.
When the trade is completed, Atlanta and Houston will flip-flop first-round picks in April's draft, and Atlanta will receive Houston's second-round picks in 2007 and 2008. The deal likely will be completed later Wednesday afternoon. Houston has the No. 8 pick in the first round of the draft, while Atlanta is slotted 10th.
Sources told ESPN.com that the trade is contingent upon the Texans reaching agreement with Schaub on a contract, and negotiations have already begun.
In acquiring Schaub, the Texans have ostensibly conceded that five-year veteran David Carr, the top overall player chosen in the 2002 draft and a quarterback in whom Houston has invested considerable time and money, is no longer their quarterback of the future. At the same time, the departure of Schaub indicates that new Falcons coach Bobby Petrino is sold on Michael Vick, who is said to have made a strong impression on the rookie sideline boss in their first few months working together.
03-22-2007 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Carr sucks I'm glad he's gone. Of course the Texans could have avoided all of this last year if they would have just drafted Vince Young in the first place. 
No matter the QB, Houston's O-Line sucks.
I am not sure how much stock I would put in a QB who has never won a NFL start, and has just looked good in the preseason.
...and for the record, Houston should have drafted Reggie Bush.
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03-22-2007 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroPSI
Carr isn't gone yet, and Carr isn't the problem.
No matter the QB, Houston's O-Line sucks.
I am not sure how much stock I would put in a QB who has never won a NFL start, and has just looked good in the preseason.
...and for the record, Houston should have drafted Reggie Bush.
No matter the QB, Houston's O-Line sucks.
I am not sure how much stock I would put in a QB who has never won a NFL start, and has just looked good in the preseason.
...and for the record, Houston should have drafted Reggie Bush.
03-22-2007 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Carr sucks I'm glad he's gone. Of course the Texans could have avoided all of this last year if they would have just drafted Vince Young in the first place.
The entire Houston offensive line sucks. This is the reason why Houston is so terrible.... how can you be a good QB when you have to watch your back every time you try to throw the ball? David Carr is a decent QB but he just need a better team. He's no Joe Montana, he's no Tom Brady, but he's pretty decent.
Michael Vick on the other hand should have been a running back. He can't throw for shit!
03-22-2007 | 10:43 AM
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Carr got sacked 249 times in 5 years while at QB for Houston. You can't tell me that his O-Line is anywhere near good. He barley has enough time to get a 3-step drop in before there is a defender on him.
I think Carr is a great QB, and if he leaves Houston for somewhere else, he will emerge as an elite NFL QB, given the correct system.
I think Carr is a great QB, and if he leaves Houston for somewhere else, he will emerge as an elite NFL QB, given the correct system.
03-22-2007 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostedJack
Boy, do you follow the Texans at all? David Carr can take a hit, or hits......
The entire Houston offensive line sucks. This is the reason why Houston is so terrible.... how can you be a good QB when you have to watch your back every time you try to throw the ball? David Carr is a decent QB but he just need a better team. He's no Joe Montana, he's no Tom Brady, but he's pretty decent.
Michael Vick on the other hand should have been a running back. He can't throw for shit!
The entire Houston offensive line sucks. This is the reason why Houston is so terrible.... how can you be a good QB when you have to watch your back every time you try to throw the ball? David Carr is a decent QB but he just need a better team. He's no Joe Montana, he's no Tom Brady, but he's pretty decent.
Michael Vick on the other hand should have been a running back. He can't throw for shit!
03-22-2007 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroPSI
Carr got sacked 249 times in 5 years while at QB for Houston. You can't tell me that his O-Line is anywhere near good. He barley has enough time to get a 3-step drop in before there is a defender on him.
I think Carr is a great QB, and if he leaves Houston for somewhere else, he will emerge as an elite NFL QB, given the correct system.
I think Carr is a great QB, and if he leaves Houston for somewhere else, he will emerge as an elite NFL QB, given the correct system.
249/5=49.8 /16= 3sacks per game (average) and in some games 5 or 6 times and one game I think 8 by the Ravens. In his rookie year, he was sacked 76 times. NO QB is going to GOOD if he has to go with this. Plus he's never had a running back, and the WR weren't that good either.
The Texans better make some MORE changes, because if everyone thinks Schaub is the missing puzzle piece, think again.
03-22-2007 | 01:26 PM
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249/5=49.8 /16= 3sacks per game (average) and in some games 5 or 6 times and one game I think 8 by the Ravens. In his rookie year, he was sacked 76 times. NO QB is going to GOOD if he has to go with this. Plus he's never had a running back, and the WR weren't that good either.
The Texans better make some MORE changes, because if everyone thinks Schaub is the missing puzzle piece, think again.
The Texans better make some MORE changes, because if everyone thinks Schaub is the missing puzzle piece, think again.
anyone else missing football right nowl?
03-22-2007 | 01:42 PM
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^i am dying without football right now.
also, i believe the texans have andre johnson, one of the best receivers in football. and they still have domanic davis or whatever he changed his last name to. theyre pretty good even though davis has fell off the face of the earth last season.
also, i believe the texans have andre johnson, one of the best receivers in football. and they still have domanic davis or whatever he changed his last name to. theyre pretty good even though davis has fell off the face of the earth last season.
03-22-2007 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SHYUperman
anyone else missing football right nowl?When NFL is on, I have my fat ass in front of a TV, watching Sunday all day and night, Monday, Thursday and Sat night games. I have the NFL Ticket with DTV.
03-22-2007 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jsong83
^i am dying without football right now.
also, i believe the texans have andre johnson, one of the best receivers in football. and they still have domanic davis or whatever he changed his last name to. theyre pretty good even though davis has fell off the face of the earth last season.
also, i believe the texans have andre johnson, one of the best receivers in football. and they still have domanic davis or whatever he changed his last name to. theyre pretty good even though davis has fell off the face of the earth last season.
OK Carr had his problem, but a GOOD WR would have better numbers than these.
2003-2006 311 receptions 3953 yards for 17 TD's
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396162
03-22-2007 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
OK Carr had his problem, but a GOOD WR would have better numbers than these.
2003-2006 311 receptions 3953 yards for 17 TD's
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396162
2003-2006 311 receptions 3953 yards for 17 TD's
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396162
I think Harrison averages right around 6 receptions per game.
Plus he had 103 receptions last year. Andre Johnson is a better than a good receiver.
03-22-2007 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroPSI
That's 5+ receptions per game, with missing part of last year with some type of injury.
I think Harrison averages right around 6 receptions per game.
Plus he had 103 receptions last year. Andre Johnson is a better than a good receiver.
I think Harrison averages right around 6 receptions per game.
Plus he had 103 receptions last year. Andre Johnson is a better than a good receiver.
Thats an average 65 yds per game ave. Which isn't too bad, will have to see if his TD's go up this year. To have that many yards and only four TD a year. I'd say jury is still out.
03-22-2007 | 03:29 PM
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here's my take:
1. carr isn't a "great" quarterback. but he's not a bad one either. the problem is two-fold. (1) carr does make bad decisions. physically, he has the talent to continue being a starter in the nfl. but how much of his bad decision making is a result of problem (2)? the o-line is indeed horrible. and the media hasn't helped either. you can tell carr's confidence has really taken a hit from the media. so maybe it's three-fold.
2. the thing is, nobody knows just how good or bad carr is. it's kind of scary. but it's time for a change so this is probably best for him. it doesn't seem like he has his teammates' backing and confidence either. it's probably best for the team and carr that they part ways.
3. and yes, andre johnson is more than a good receiver.
1. carr isn't a "great" quarterback. but he's not a bad one either. the problem is two-fold. (1) carr does make bad decisions. physically, he has the talent to continue being a starter in the nfl. but how much of his bad decision making is a result of problem (2)? the o-line is indeed horrible. and the media hasn't helped either. you can tell carr's confidence has really taken a hit from the media. so maybe it's three-fold.
2. the thing is, nobody knows just how good or bad carr is. it's kind of scary. but it's time for a change so this is probably best for him. it doesn't seem like he has his teammates' backing and confidence either. it's probably best for the team and carr that they part ways.
3. and yes, andre johnson is more than a good receiver.
03-22-2007 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
here's my take:
1. carr isn't a "great" quarterback. but he's not a bad one either. the problem is two-fold. (1) carr does make bad decisions. physically, he has the talent to continue being a starter in the nfl. but how much of his bad decision making is a result of problem (2)? the o-line is indeed horrible. and the media hasn't helped either. you can tell carr's confidence has really taken a hit from the media. so maybe it's three-fold.
2. the thing is, nobody knows just how good or bad carr is. it's kind of scary. but it's time for a change so this is probably best for him. it doesn't seem like he has his teammates' backing and confidence either. it's probably best for the team and carr that they part ways.
3. and yes, andre johnson is more than a good receiver.
1. carr isn't a "great" quarterback. but he's not a bad one either. the problem is two-fold. (1) carr does make bad decisions. physically, he has the talent to continue being a starter in the nfl. but how much of his bad decision making is a result of problem (2)? the o-line is indeed horrible. and the media hasn't helped either. you can tell carr's confidence has really taken a hit from the media. so maybe it's three-fold.
2. the thing is, nobody knows just how good or bad carr is. it's kind of scary. but it's time for a change so this is probably best for him. it doesn't seem like he has his teammates' backing and confidence either. it's probably best for the team and carr that they part ways.
3. and yes, andre johnson is more than a good receiver.
I guess it's the saying "Is the Devil you know better than the one you don't"? Schaub has only expections. He started 2 games and lost both. But isn't that whats great about all sports.
03-22-2007 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jupitersolo
I guess it's the saying "Is the Devil you know better than the one you don't"? Schaub has only expections. He started 2 games and lost both. But isn't that whats great about all sports.
as for schaub, the front page of the houston chronicle said "texans, be nice to your new qb." that should pretty much say it all.
03-22-2007 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
yea i guess you can say that. i'm just saying, it's not entirely his fault for how bad he's been. hopefully, he can succeed wherever he ends up at. he seemed like a pretty nice guy.
as for schaub, the front page of the houston chronicle said "texans, be nice to your new qb." that should pretty much say it all.
as for schaub, the front page of the houston chronicle said "texans, be nice to your new qb." that should pretty much say it all.
That's pretty funny. Most QB's only succeed in the NFL when the have the right coach. Kubiac (sp) is a better coach than he was a QB. It took Joe Gibbs like 8-10 QB's to find the 3 that won him 3 SB's.
03-22-2007 | 06:16 PM
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After actually reading what the Falcons got, you really cant blame them. I could have sworn i heard it was just for a second round pick this year, but swapping firsts plus two seconds for a relatively unproven player is a good deal for them.
03-22-2007 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroPSI
Carr got sacked 249 times in 5 years while at QB for Houston. You can't tell me that his O-Line is anywhere near good. He barley has enough time to get a 3-step drop in before there is a defender on him.
I think Carr is a great QB, and if he leaves Houston for somewhere else, he will emerge as an elite NFL QB, given the correct system.
I think Carr is a great QB, and if he leaves Houston for somewhere else, he will emerge as an elite NFL QB, given the correct system.
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