Acura: RLX News
#5001
This is actually how it is.This is a huge part of why Acura sedan sales suck ass. It's like everything they have is a class over from what it's supposed to be. The only car I slightly disagree with you on in that list is the Q70 though because it comes in a long wheel base version that is over 200 inches long while the standard one is about the same length as the RLX.
#5002
RLX can pill more gs than MB S class. RLX rear seat leg room more or less same as Lexus LS. I have no doubt RLX is super quiet at high speeds more than any other large Sedan.
#5003
. Just look at some comparable performance figures of S3 and Golf GTI . There is world of difference at high speed.
#5004
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#5005
I feel the need...
Wowzer, can't believe how far Hyundai has come in the design department...
No superfluous chrome bling needed, this car sure is purdy!
#5006
#5007
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#5008
Moderator
Please explain how the RLX makes it into this club.
#5009
Ex-OEM King
This dude has to be trolling...no one is this dumb.
#5010
Ex-OEM King
Here's a list of 200mph capable production cars: All The Cars That Go 200 MPH
Please explain how the RLX makes it into this club.
Please explain how the RLX makes it into this club.
#5011
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#5012
Team Owner
#5013
Team Owner
Here's a list of 200mph capable production cars: All The Cars That Go 200 MPH
Please explain how the RLX makes it into this club.
Please explain how the RLX makes it into this club.
Oh no, you didnnnnnt,
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#5014
Car and Driver says Civic Type R's top speed is 170 mph (drag limited).
This tuned S3 struggled to get to 299 km/h (185.79 mph) and it's producing 390 PS (384 HP) and 575 Nm (424 lb ft) of torque. You seriously believe that a 1,000 lb heavier and less powerful (377 HP , 377 lb ft torque) RLX SH-AWD can get to 200 mph when a tuned S3 couldn't?
#5015
pay attention what i wrote. i only gave Golf hatch and Audi S3 sedan as an example from same manufacturer. it has nothing to do with honda horspower. infact civic typer is faster than S3 at higher speeds.
#5016
Team Owner
You're a fucking terrible troll
And shut up already. The transmission is not geared to get anywhere near 200mph. The fucking 550hp 2G CTS-V cant hit 200mph because of the gearing. Why the fuck would anyone make such tall gears for a car made to go to the grocery store everyday? Quit spreading bullshit.
And shut up already. The transmission is not geared to get anywhere near 200mph. The fucking 550hp 2G CTS-V cant hit 200mph because of the gearing. Why the fuck would anyone make such tall gears for a car made to go to the grocery store everyday? Quit spreading bullshit.
#5019
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Not only do we have superior Honda HP, now we have quantum-bending superior Honda MPH
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#5021
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Of course. A Civic Type R going 80mph will even pass a Pagani Huayra doing 65mph.
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Not yet man. The gearing doesn't allow that.....so I need to swap in a CVT from a regular Civic so I can have unlimited gear ratios and beat SSFTSX's 200mph RLX.
A big part of the problem is that Acura wasted several years on "Smart Luxury." They had a V8 RWD mule, they had a V10 super car. But they cancelled them all and went with this smart luxury thing.
This is how it SHOULD be.
This is actually how it is.This is a huge part of why Acura sedan sales suck ass. It's like everything they have is a class over from what it's supposed to be. The only car I slightly disagree with you on in that list is the Q70 though because it comes in a long wheel base version that is over 200 inches long while the standard one is about the same length as the RLX.
This is actually how it is.This is a huge part of why Acura sedan sales suck ass. It's like everything they have is a class over from what it's supposed to be. The only car I slightly disagree with you on in that list is the Q70 though because it comes in a long wheel base version that is over 200 inches long while the standard one is about the same length as the RLX.
#5023
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Doesn't seem very smart to me.
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This tuned S3 struggled to get to 299 km/h (185.79 mph) and it's producing 390 PS (384 HP) and 575 Nm (424 lb ft) of torque. You seriously believe that a 1,000 lb heavier and less powerful (377 HP , 377 lb ft torque) RLX SH-AWD can get to 200 mph when a tuned S3 couldn't?
Anyway...go on with your discussion with SSFTSX lol...
#5025
Team Owner
You're a fucking terrible troll
And shut up already. The transmission is not geared to get anywhere near 200mph. The fucking 550hp 2G CTS-V cant hit 200mph because of the gearing. Why the fuck would anyone make such tall gears for a car made to go to the grocery store everyday? Quit spreading bullshit.
And shut up already. The transmission is not geared to get anywhere near 200mph. The fucking 550hp 2G CTS-V cant hit 200mph because of the gearing. Why the fuck would anyone make such tall gears for a car made to go to the grocery store everyday? Quit spreading bullshit.
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#5029
Team Owner
Civic Type R 276 km/hr speed at 6500rpm at Autobild. imagine if it was a low profile coupe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr8sKmzui30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr8sKmzui30
funny story, if you knew anything about aerodynamics you'd know that a coupe has a higher coefficient of friction than a vehicle with a flat back end, like a hatchback. Yeah, mind blown.
also, we aren't imagining anything, but rather dealing with what honda and Acura gave us. You're in the wrong place if you're looking for imagination land.
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Most speedometers exaggerate speeds:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ticle11487709/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ticle11487709/
#5031
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#5032
Not yet man. The gearing doesn't allow that.....so I need to swap in a CVT from a regular Civic so I can have unlimited gear ratios and beat SSFTSX's 200mph RLX.
A big part of the problem is that Acura wasted several years on "Smart Luxury." They had a V8 RWD mule, they had a V10 super car. But they cancelled them all and went with this smart luxury thing.
A big part of the problem is that Acura wasted several years on "Smart Luxury." They had a V8 RWD mule, they had a V10 super car. But they cancelled them all and went with this smart luxury thing.
I was thinking yesterday and it occurred to me that Acura is currently sitting on the edge of a literal massive competitive edge and that is the sport hybrid technology. If they are smart they will proliferate Sport Hybrid tech across the whole brand including the RDX and TLX and ILX (ILX replacement please...I hate that car very much). Spreading it across the brand allows for increased ROI and also I imagine that they would be able to massage it with each generation to become lighter and more efficient and more powerful. Pure EV and normal Hybrid tech I don't care for, but Sport Hyrbid tech is amazing to me. I would take a 350hp sport hybrid car over a 350hp turbo or supercharged V6 car any day of the week. Instant torque and actual mastery of V8 power with V6 or better fuel economy.
#5033
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Yes, but the problem is the Sport Hybrid tech is heavy, takes up precious room, and seemingly didn't always work as it should (aka complicated), if the RLX was any indication. Also unknown is how long everything will last... we simply just don't know yet. Nor do we know what repair costs will be. There isn't aftermarket parts you can get (as far as I know), so you're likely getting hosed with dealership prices on OEM parts.
my other gripe with it is that it's limited... you can't really upgrade anything. Sure, you can squeeze a few more ponies out of the engine- but not much. What's unknown is how that impacts the rest of the system... can you crank more power out of the engine without adversely changing the power being put down? Will more power from the engine result in the electric motors working more? Less? Will their be a net effect overall? Etc., etc.
It might be the future... but there's a lot of unknowns still, and I'd hate to be the guinea pig.
my other gripe with it is that it's limited... you can't really upgrade anything. Sure, you can squeeze a few more ponies out of the engine- but not much. What's unknown is how that impacts the rest of the system... can you crank more power out of the engine without adversely changing the power being put down? Will more power from the engine result in the electric motors working more? Less? Will their be a net effect overall? Etc., etc.
It might be the future... but there's a lot of unknowns still, and I'd hate to be the guinea pig.
#5034
Yes, but the problem is the Sport Hybrid tech is heavy, takes up precious room, and seemingly didn't always work as it should (aka complicated), if the RLX was any indication. Also unknown is how long everything will last... we simply just don't know yet. Nor do we know what repair costs will be. There isn't aftermarket parts you can get (as far as I know), so you're likely getting hosed with dealership prices on OEM parts.
my other gripe with it is that it's limited... you can't really upgrade anything. Sure, you can squeeze a few more ponies out of the engine- but not much. What's unknown is how that impacts the rest of the system... can you crank more power out of the engine without adversely changing the power being put down? Will more power from the engine result in the electric motors working more? Less? Will their be a net effect overall? Etc., etc.
It might be the future... but there's a lot of unknowns still, and I'd hate to be the guinea pig.
my other gripe with it is that it's limited... you can't really upgrade anything. Sure, you can squeeze a few more ponies out of the engine- but not much. What's unknown is how that impacts the rest of the system... can you crank more power out of the engine without adversely changing the power being put down? Will more power from the engine result in the electric motors working more? Less? Will their be a net effect overall? Etc., etc.
It might be the future... but there's a lot of unknowns still, and I'd hate to be the guinea pig.
IMO a solid 4.5s 0-60 in a sport hybrid TLX or MDX or RDX...etc would be more than enough for most people. Also if you read reviews on the MDX SH (even personal reviews from people who owned RLX SH's and now own MDX SH's) it seems like Acura learned A LOT from the mistakes with the RLX. The transmission is smoother, and in general it is very polished.
Hybrid tech is still very new but I beleive that the more they work on it the more reliable it will be, with more power, and lighter...etc. Just like the ICE technology has improved tenfold and where we used to have 6.5l V8's with 120hp we now have I3 turbos with more power and NA I4's with way more power.
The one thing I have to give you and also why I probably would never buy a used hybrid is the battery life. In most common hybrids batteries only last like 8 years....to the first owner that's awesome. To the second plus owner it will actually hurt resale. I still think that ICE are here to stay for a LONG time. But I hope they find a way to fix all the current hybrid shortcomings.
#5035
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Hybrid tech is still very new but I beleive that the more they work on it the more reliable it will be, with more power, and lighter...etc. Just like the ICE technology has improved tenfold and where we used to have 6.5l V8's with 120hp we now have I3 turbos with more power and NA I4's with way more power.
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When looking at the RLX, the sport hybrid RLX is about 350lb heavier than a RLX FWD with the same 3.5L engine. When you compare a TLX V6 FWD and a TLX V6 AWD, the difference is 250lb. There's a weight penalty, but is 100lb that bad for the additional benefits? Then we have to consider how fast battery and electric motor technologies advance at for cars. It seems like every generation, the battery power density would go out by quite a bit, while the motor output would also increase noticeably.
Acura has been taking its time to slowly roll out Sport Hybrid system across its line up. This is probably done for the exact reasons Tacobello mentioned regarding reliability. The SH system has been out since 2014 now, so Acura now has more data available for them to further improve the system. The current RLX and MDX sport hybrid owners are the guinea pigs.
It's true that the current J35 + sport hybrid probably won't give you much power increase potential. As a car enthusiast, you are not likely to mess around with the electronics for more power. This is where the next generation engines come in. I'm thinking 2.0T or 3.0T mated to the sport hybrid system. One would probably still don't wanna mess around too much with the system, but with a 3.0T Sport hybrid system, we are probably talking about 450-500hp. The good thing about the sport hybrid system is that Honda can technically turn up the boost more without worrying much about turbo lag since the electric motors are really good at masking turbo lag as shown in the NSX.
Acura has been taking its time to slowly roll out Sport Hybrid system across its line up. This is probably done for the exact reasons Tacobello mentioned regarding reliability. The SH system has been out since 2014 now, so Acura now has more data available for them to further improve the system. The current RLX and MDX sport hybrid owners are the guinea pigs.
It's true that the current J35 + sport hybrid probably won't give you much power increase potential. As a car enthusiast, you are not likely to mess around with the electronics for more power. This is where the next generation engines come in. I'm thinking 2.0T or 3.0T mated to the sport hybrid system. One would probably still don't wanna mess around too much with the system, but with a 3.0T Sport hybrid system, we are probably talking about 450-500hp. The good thing about the sport hybrid system is that Honda can technically turn up the boost more without worrying much about turbo lag since the electric motors are really good at masking turbo lag as shown in the NSX.
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Want to compare a 200mph sedan with the RLX, take a look at the CTS-V. It does a full 30+ mph more than your most aerodynamic hatch in the world does at 28.5 seconds.
CTS-V
Zero to 130 mph: 13.6 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 17.4 sec
Zero to 170 mph: 25.8 sec
200 mph top speed, and it takes 640hp to do so.
The RLX is no where near that.
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#5038
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Lots of road presence. The lines from the front to back draw your attention.
#5039
Race Director
#5040
Yeah I remember the RL was supposed to come with a big honking V8....I really really wish it would have gone through because I imagine that V8 would have found it's way into the MDX at some point. Also if the Honda J-series engine sound is any indication, a Honda V8 would just be incredible sounding.
I was thinking yesterday and it occurred to me that Acura is currently sitting on the edge of a literal massive competitive edge and that is the sport hybrid technology. If they are smart they will proliferate Sport Hybrid tech across the whole brand including the RDX and TLX and ILX (ILX replacement please...I hate that car very much). Spreading it across the brand allows for increased ROI and also I imagine that they would be able to massage it with each generation to become lighter and more efficient and more powerful. Pure EV and normal Hybrid tech I don't care for, but Sport Hyrbid tech is amazing to me. I would take a 350hp sport hybrid car over a 350hp turbo or supercharged V6 car any day of the week. Instant torque and actual mastery of V8 power with V6 or better fuel economy.
I was thinking yesterday and it occurred to me that Acura is currently sitting on the edge of a literal massive competitive edge and that is the sport hybrid technology. If they are smart they will proliferate Sport Hybrid tech across the whole brand including the RDX and TLX and ILX (ILX replacement please...I hate that car very much). Spreading it across the brand allows for increased ROI and also I imagine that they would be able to massage it with each generation to become lighter and more efficient and more powerful. Pure EV and normal Hybrid tech I don't care for, but Sport Hyrbid tech is amazing to me. I would take a 350hp sport hybrid car over a 350hp turbo or supercharged V6 car any day of the week. Instant torque and actual mastery of V8 power with V6 or better fuel economy.