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Si has always been a bargain when compare to EX... the only "issue" is it has always been 6mt only. or it should outsell EX or EX-L or EX-T easily due to the added value.
Civic 1.5T EX-T 6MT: $21500
Civic 1.5T Si 6MT: $23900
For about $2400, you get quite a lot of upgrades: a more powerful stereo system, larger rims, wider tires, adaptive dampers, driving modes, a different turbocharger, LSD, lap timer, spoiler, upgraded brakes, sportier interior, Type R front upper control arms, upgraded chassis, etc.
Did the build & price & came out right about $25k, not bad for what will surely be a fun car.
Holy shit... The civic has a crazy low drag coefficient compared to the rest. It's also the lightest of the bunch. Well done.
The only shitty thing is its 0-60 times, and I'm guessing because of FWD vs AWD. I think it's more detrimental than it looks. Why? Well let's be honest- like the ITR, I get the feeling most will never see a track, and will just be enjoyed around the city for spirited driving. The CTR excels in lots of categories, save for straight line acceleration. Unfortunately, I'm thinking most won't get to enjoy the full out cornering abilities of the car and will be cursing when they get wooped by a Golf R, or FoRS, or STi, when racing from one set of lights, to the next.
I figured it won't be so bad- a Hondata retune would boost power, allowing times to drop. But again, it's the FWD layout that's the limiting factor. You can make eleventy billion horsepower, but who cares, if you can't put that power down smoothly.
Dont get me wrong- it's still a very cool car and I'm glad it's on our shores, but I wonder if potential buyers will be thinking the same thing. If it's intended use by a new owner is for the track, then hell yeah, it's a great buy.
Also, I thought the CTR came on 19" wheels. Above it says 20".
From the article:
The Civic Type R rolls on freaking dubs and the high-performance tires wrapped around it have about as much sidewall as a rubber band.
If you’ve ever seen 20-inch rims on an old Civic you’d spit your drink out of your nose, but they actually look pretty slick on the new car. Still, I can’t help but wonder if Honda could have relieved some unsprung weight and increased ride quality by running with smaller wheels.
In addition to having the tallest wheels, the Honda also has the widest wheel track, which could give it an edge on cornering stability.
I think 20s are overkill. They should have kept the width, but switched to 19s. Save a few pounds while still looking good and hauling just a wee bit more ass.
STI is laggy as shit.
For once, Honda has the biggest wheel vs. its competitors.. OMG
Did not realize Golf R has a 7.5 redline for a turbo car...
33k starting price...not bad.
I think 20s are overkill. They should have kept the width, but switched to 19s. Save a few pounds while still looking good and hauling just a wee bit more ass.
I remember back in the days, when we hear civic with 20s. it would look like this;
I think 20s are overkill. They should have kept the width, but switched to 19s. Save a few pounds while still looking good and hauling just a wee bit more ass.
But then almost everything about the CTR, in terms of styling, seems a little over the top....
STI is laggy as shit.
For once, Honda has the biggest wheel vs. its competitors.. OMG
Did not realize Golf R has a 7.5 redline for a turbo car...
33k starting price...not bad.
STI is laggy as shit.
For once, Honda has the biggest wheel vs. its competitors.. OMG
Did not realize Golf R has a 7.5 redline for a turbo car...
33k starting price...not bad.
The chart's also missing the row that rates how boy racer looking each car is. The Civic wins this one hands down.
lol somehow my "google Now" feed thinks I'm interested in civics and keeps showing me the Civic forums...
they want to add the Type-R wing to the Sport hatches.
Holy shit... The civic has a crazy low drag coefficient compared to the rest. It's also the lightest of the bunch. Well done.
The only shitty thing is its 0-60 times, and I'm guessing because of FWD vs AWD. I think it's more detrimental than it looks. Why? Well let's be honest- like the ITR, I get the feeling most will never see a track, and will just be enjoyed around the city for spirited driving. The CTR excels in lots of categories, save for straight line acceleration. Unfortunately, I'm thinking most won't get to enjoy the full out cornering abilities of the car and will be cursing when they get wooped by a Golf R, or FoRS, or STi, when racing from one set of lights, to the next.
I figured it won't be so bad- a Hondata retune would boost power, allowing times to drop. But again, it's the FWD layout that's the limiting factor. You can make eleventy billion horsepower, but who cares, if you can't put that power down smoothly.
Dont get me wrong- it's still a very cool car and I'm glad it's on our shores, but I wonder if potential buyers will be thinking the same thing. If it's intended use by a new owner is for the track, then hell yeah, it's a great buy.
That drag coefficient figure is really good compared to its peers. I guess that's why it can do 169mph and just 5mph slower than a Audi RS3 with 400hp.
Yea, 0-60mph is shxtty. But I do think people who buy a Type R do intend on going to track days. I know I'd take mine there for sure. Also, even if you are into street racing, people don't just to 0-60mph nowadays, often, they do 20 roll, 40 roll, etc. The CTR has better power to weight ratio than everyone other than the Focus RS. It also does not have AWD drivetrain losses, so that it can put down more power to the ground. I'd think from a roll, the CTR would do pretty well.
But for sure, if you are into stop light racing, don't buy the CTR!
Originally Posted by TacoBello
I think 20s are overkill. They should have kept the width, but switched to 19s. Save a few pounds while still looking good and hauling just a wee bit more ass.
haha ya 19" would look more balanced and save some unsprung weight assuming same style of rims. It will also save some money when it comes to replacing tires too!
It's amazing that the ride comfort of the CTR is that good compared to others in this class, with those stiff suspension, 20" rims, and high cornering performance.
I really want to like this thing so badly but I just can't get over the looks and sub par performance in comparison to its rivals. I know that this thing will sell like hotcakes and stock versions will command quite a lot in the used market in the very near future anyway but my god is it ugly. The front looks fine but the back...it's so bad...and this is coming from a guy that daily drives a newer Cherokee.
It might be one of those things that it looks slightly better in person than in photos. Doubtful. But you never know.
the only subpar performance this car has is 0-60. Everything else seems to be on par. You don't buy a Type ARRRRGH for 0-60. Never. Ever. Since 1996, never.
But, if anything, it shows how silly Honda has been for the last 16 years (since the last Type R we had on our shores). The demand for this car is incredulous. Granted, if we had it every year, there wouldn't be anywhere near the demand there is now, but shit, Honda waited way too long to bring this thing here.
I couldn't fathom paying 50k US for a civic, even if it is a CTR. It's simply just not worth it and there are so many better cars to have. And I am a die hard enthusiast. For the tools that do pay 65k for it, LOL!!!!
Oh, and sorry for not posting the actual article on here. I'm unable to do it on my iPad. You gotta read the comments under the article though. Glad to see there are plenty of people who aren't retarded. With 6000 being sold in two years, I don't know how anyone can justify a markup like that.
That drag coefficient figure is really good compared to its peers. I guess that's why it can do 169mph and just 5mph slower than a Audi RS3 with 400hp.
Yea, 0-60mph is shxtty. But I do think people who buy a Type R do intend on going to track days. I know I'd take mine there for sure. Also, even if you are into street racing, people don't just to 0-60mph nowadays, often, they do 20 roll, 40 roll, etc. The CTR has better power to weight ratio than everyone other than the Focus RS. It also does not have AWD drivetrain losses, so that it can put down more power to the ground. I'd think from a roll, the CTR would do pretty well.
But for sure, if you are into stop light racing, don't buy the CTR!
haha ya 19" would look more balanced and save some unsprung weight assuming same style of rims. It will also save some money when it comes to replacing tires too!
It's amazing that the ride comfort of the CTR is that good compared to others in this class, with those stiff suspension, 20" rims, and high cornering performance.
RS3 is sedan that sit lower. Sedan has advantage over hatch in higher speeds. Honda is conservative with top speed and 0-60 times. Honda Civic with no performance tires can do 0-60 under 7 seconds .
the CTR was dyno'd at 295whp, according to jalopnik. The article in itself seems kind of bogus. They show a horsepower curve, but no torque curve. And I hate when dyno charts show "vehicle speed" on the x-axis, as opposed to rpm.
Either way, if it is actually putting 295whp down, that equates to, what, 325-330hp at the crank?
Once again, take it for what it's worth. Honda is talking about variants of the CTR, and a rumor of an AWD version. How true is it? I dunno.
if anything, I can see Acura picking up one of these and selling as their own. I'd imagine it would be the "GT" version, and maybe the one with AWD (SH-AWD?)?
either way, the article says to expect a more hardcore version, and a toned down version. To me, that means it'll have an AT transmission. I dunno. Time will tell.
Probably Acura will take the civic R and throw a couple of electric motors at the back.
Yes, that dyno test seems to be a bit suspicious, to say the least. However, what if, yes what if, the transmission the new R does some magic that we don't know yet?
I want to like the TypeR now that we finally get one here in the US but I can't help but think the Focus RS and Golf R are much better cars performance wise and also are not being marked up $10-15k by dealers right now.
dont worry guise! it's not about the price of the car, it's the monthly payments that matter!!
so what if my monthly payments are only $250 for the next 10 years?
plus, I can refinance it to draw the monthly payments out even longer but at least I'll have 100 dollar car payments
But then almost everything about the CTR, in terms of styling, seems a little over the top....
So anyway, back to the real world...
