TacoBello

That's not true at all- the G37, 370, and I believe even the G35 and 350 all used 5x114.3. True story.

RPhilMan1

Wait does the Type R not have a rear middle seat? R&T lists 4 doors 4 seats...

00TL-P3.2

Can't recall any press shots showing the back seat...

MSZ

The previous Civic Type-Rs have always been four-seaters.

00TL-P3.2

@iforyou Confirm?

biker

A brand-new Honda Civic Type R made it all of 151 miles before being plowed into last Sunday. There was no “VTEC yo” fun to be had, as Greg Ellingson and his gray Type R took the rest of the ride home from Boston to Philadelphia via tow truck.

Thankfully, neither Ellingson nor any of the others involved in the accident were hurt, but the Type R was a bit worse for wear. According to Ellingson’s Facebook post, he was stopped in his lane on the highway in heavy traffic when he was rear-ended by someone going about 30 mph. He says he didn’t see the person behind him coming at all.

The height of the wing appears to have spared it from the brunt of the damage.PHOTO BY GREG ELLINGSON
The Type R is smashed in both the front and back because Ellingson's car was pushed into the vehicle directly in front of him after the heavy impact. In terms of getting his money back for the freshly totaled mega-hatch, Ellingson says he has declared value insurance, so he expects to get every penny he put into it. He’s thinking his insurance company will total the car, which unfortunately might mean he’s out of luck when it comes to Type R ownership, though. The front-wheel-drive Nurburgring king is a rare bird in these parts, and people are snapping them up before they even make it to dealer lots.

It’s a true shame to see this incredible car meet such a quick end. There’s still plenty of it intact, however; we’re sure enthusiasts out there would pay a pretty penny for non-smashed Type R bits and bobbles -- especially those seats still wrapped in plastic, we’ll take those.

Read more: Honda Civic Type R crashed on way home from dealer

iforyou

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Lol, I meant the Civic Type R have 5x120 rims, unlike regular Civics or G37/370z.

I'm not sure why the CTR has different bolt pattern than the other Civics....

Yup! It's a 4-seater. The middle part are some cup holders and storage space. If you want 5 seats, you can order the seat from Europe or Japan.

JS + XES

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The laptime looks pretty good, too bad the car was overheating at our most popular track though.

Hope Honda will address the issue.

Black Tire

kurtatx

If only the thing looked good. Good review from CH as usual

JS + XES

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The overheating issue might have been an isolated case.

Another socal track guy brought his brand new stock Type R to Buttonwillow and logged 2:02 which is amazing. That was with everything stock under 1000 miles. It is much faster than stock STi and FoRS.

iforyou

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United Speed Racing took their mostly stock CTR (tires are maxxis vr1 245/40r18 on 18x9 and it got a downpipe) to the Gridlife event at Road Atlanta and took the win for the class while breaking the FWD lap record:

They had a little bit of coolant temps issue but I guess wasn't bad enough to be a huge concern.

It would be nice for Honda to find out why some CTR's are having overheating issues while some don't. So far it seems like the cause is due to a defective part or bad installation.

Costco

I don't see it as that big of an issue as long as the owners know. The 86 had it's issues with cooling too, as you know. Don't know of anyone that personally had any problems without FI. Nothing an oil cooler, better oil, and more frequent service intervals couldn't fix.

Always found it so impressive how Honda manages to make their cars with less power and a supposedly "inferior" drivetrain layout outperform the competition.

I hope this is a return to affordable performance cars for them.

iforyou

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Yea, my understanding is that Honda spent a lot of effort with cooling to ensure the CTR can be driven on track days for a long time without overheating. But as if many first model year cars, shxt happens and hence we are seeing isolated cases of overheating. At least that's what I'm hoping for and that Honda can find out the root cause soon. If it's just a bad installation or defective part, then it should be easily fixed via a TSB or something. If it's a design issue, then it's a bit disappointing considering it's a Type R. But like you said, I'd imagine it's nothing a better oil cooler and/or larger radiator couldn't fix. I have a EK hatch with a B16+B20 frankenstein engine and a big Koyo radiator. It would run laps after laps without any engine overheat issues (cooked the LSD though last time out...lol...shxxty JDM Civic SiR LSD probably only good for 120lbft, not 170lbft of torque....).

TacoBello

Does the CTR have an oil cooler? If so, I would just upgrade it to a bigger size, if at all possible, and only if I was hitting the track regularly. Otherwise, for street driving, I get the feeling no one will have any heat issues.

JS + XES

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It would only happen at track driving during the summer time. For DD, it has no impact whatsoever.

And there will be all kinds of solution and upgrades for all these in a year.

iforyou

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Yup there's an water cooled oil cooler in the FK8 CTR. Honda spent quite a bit of effort for engine cooling: the aforementioned water cooled oil cooler, sodium filled exhaust valves for better heat transfer, piston cooling oil jets, and improved water jackets. When it was first launched, many of them were tested by the media on tracks for days non stop, one journalist after another. Based on that, I'd imagine the cooling design should be adequate.

Yup, for day to day driving, it's perfectly fine. I was hoping to bring mine to a track day in a couple weeks, but I have a wedding to attend...so it's likely I will have to wait til May 2018 before I can test it out....

JS + XES

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May 2018?? Man I would probably hit the track in my CTR before you do then. Depends on when the next model year releases.

iforyou

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Did you put a deposit on one??

Ya, that's pretty much the last track day we have in September. The weather gets shxxty starting in October....

JS + XES

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Nah, no need for a deposit if I'm getting the next model year.

kurtatx

Is that to replace the Audi?

JS + XES

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The Avant and Miata will both be gone.

Will be getting the new Odyssey and Type R.

iforyou

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EXCITING dude! You will have two very practical cars very soon! I'd love to have the new Odyssey to replace my aging RDX.

Anyways, have you guys seen the Lighting Lap 2017 Article posted on Car and Driver?
Lightning Lap 2006?2017 Historical Data: Every Lap Time, Every Car | Feature | Car and Driver

The Civic Si did pretty well at 3:14.6 on a slightly damp track, matching the 2015 GTI with performance package:
Lightning Lap 2006?2017 Historical Data: Every Lap Time, Every Car | Feature | Car and Driver

It's also faster than a 310hp Mustang with performance pkg, BRX with performance pkg, Focus ST, Fieta ST, regular WRX, etc.

Flipster23

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New Oddy is nice. I'll be more than likely getting on June next year.

SamDoe1

More importantly, it's faster than the S2000 CR which is saying something.

iforyou

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For sure, and I believe the CR had some pretty good tires too, albeit those were 2008 tires.

TacoBello

I'm too lazy to look- the new Civic Si is faster than the s2000 CR?

TacoBello

I bet you a good part of it is due to chassis stiffness. That looks like a highly technical track with tons of turns. I bet you the Si chassis is much much much stiffer than the s2000, so when it comes to cornering, the planted civic drives better compared to the "floppy" s2000. It also helps that the Si has self adjusting dampers.

Well that, and dat torque curve when exiting corners.... bwaaaaaaa!!!!!

It's crazy that the civic is heavier and has way less horsepower than the s2000, yet it out runs it, even if by fractions of a second. That's some crazy bang for your buck!

SamDoe1

It's more than fractions of a second. Definitely torque though. Even the CR couldn't overcome that.

00TL-P3.2

Just Suedit the NB & send it my way

iforyou

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Lol yes it's fractions of a second...as in 0.4s! I'd imagine some modern tires would help the CR a bit.

But credit where credit is due. The Si is just a $24k mildly hot Civic and it's comparable to the fastest stock s2000 on a decently long track with changing elevations, different types of corners, and long straightaways. Pretty respectable. Slap some better tires, track brake pads, and Hondata flashpro tune and it would be a pretty fun to drive car on a track!

I wonder if it has overheating issue...lol.

TacoBello

Let's be honest, even "track prepped" cars from the factory can generally be improved upon... unless you're paying over 100k. My Nismo has issues, the CTR potentially has issues, etc. Not that they're hard to fix... they just end up raising the vehicle price even higher and not everyone will need those additional features.

Adding an oil cooler is the norm these days. That, and as mentioned, better tires, brake fluid and brake pads would help a lot. I bet if anything, the stock brake calipers are the limiting factor on the car. I can see those things smoking in no time, I bet.

Costco

And in all honesty, if cars didn't improve as time went on, what would be the point? Very impressive to see how much they're improving though.

AZuser

We should ask Acura that

JS + XES

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Yeah! We checked out the new odyssey multiple times at the dealership. It's amazeballs. Was just going to get the Sienna SE, but that generation is way too old now.

CTR fits two car seats in the back perfectly fine, so I'd be happy with that.

Man full SWEIDIT interior for NB would cost more than the Miata itself! hahaha

Yeah.. so many variables but the tire technology alone could have impacted the results by a crapload.

A stock S2K isn't that fast at the track, but it gets exponentially faster with some basic modification. Exponentially harder to drive fast though.

iforyou

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Have you considered the Pacifica? Car and Driver rated it higher than the Odyssey. I saw it at the Autoshow and my main complaint is that the 2nd row seats are so skinny and they don't feel as comfy as the Odyssey's.

Yea, the Sienna is way too old man.

Lol the S2000, especially the Ap1, once it loses the rear end, it's hard to recover it especially for a noob. Here's my experience with it when I went in a corner too hot (30km/h faster entry speed than what I normally do):

00TL-P3.2

My former boss just bought a minivan, they looked at them all & got the Pacifica.

JS + XES

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Yeah, I did check out the Pacifica. It's really nice but don't like the look of it to be honest. The 2nd row seats have horrible rating on comfyness.

Don't lift and let go of the steering wheel when you feel the slide. That shouldn't have happened at all haha What tires do you have on your s2k?

SamDoe1

These words are why RWD cars get a bad wrap. Everyone's immediate instinct is to lift which is not what you should do in a RWD car. Rapid weight transfer to the front = loss of rear grip = hitting nearest immovable object backwards.

JS + XES

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Yeah, I mean that's the natural reaction. It took me like 4-5 days of track days to start feeling a little calm when something happens. haha