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I dont think you would see incredible gains for the amount of money that's going to be spent to do those things.
boost isn't impossible, it'll just take $$
if I were trying to achieve 380-400hp, there's NO sense swapping to the same J-series engine architecture ...only because you'll be in the same position you are in now.
the best option is to boost.
As far as I know, it hasn't been done. I honestly think it would probably be better to allocated those funds towards boosting the J35, but that's how I would use the money. You're not gaining much by swapping the J37 in term of funds vs. results and I personally don't trust a J37 block. JDMCRX put in an AEM after a lot of wiring hours...
my main concern is ecu
the reasoning behing j37 is that 09 tl sh-awd has k tuner available
so if i was gonna do that i would ger the ecu tranamission motor and harness
To kind of continue that thought, you'd go thru just as much trouble just getting the J37 to work and adapt it to fit, in addition to the cost of an extra motor, and you still haven't touched the K-tuner yet. I feel like putting in the labor hours up front for something like an AEM like JDMCRX did will give you a much better final setup and will save a lot of headache.
I'm not saying a J37 swap is a bad road to go down, quite the contrary, it would be pretty cool. I just feel like it's more headache that it's worth, especially if you have no intention to go down the forced induction route. Just a little inspiration for you...
Right, you would spend $3-5k and a lot of headache just to be in the same boat as you are in now. ...
which doesn't make sense.... If you want that specific engine/ tranny and ktuner set up, it would be better to start off with that platform !
yes cancel that lol i think ive just had enough fun with this
this is RL were talking about. every part is odd size and spec
i had enough with wheels just now.( in another thread)
it would make sense because j37has the following
better transmission
tunable ecu
a replaceable transmission filter.
more displacement since supercharger turbo respond better to more displacement
yes cancel that lol i think ive just had enough fun with this
this is RL were talking about. every part is odd size and spec
i had enough with wheels just now.( in another thread)
it would make sense because j37has the following
better transmission
tunable ecu
a replaceable transmission filter.
more displacement since supercharger turbo respond better to more displacement
The '07-08 TL Type S shares the J35A8, if you focus on an N/A build, I'm sure a lot of the parts would just be drop in with little to no modification.
^There is no plug and play option is what it is. You can make up that differential by swapping in an intake manifold/TB and throwing on a J-Pipe on an RL. 800$ and a half a day to a day's worth of work and you're already hitting stock J37 numbers. I'm just throwing ideas out there since you discarded the idea of forced induction in the first post. And it beats upgrading the car to an '09-'14 TL since you'd probably loose more than 800$...
j37 ftom rl is rated at 295hp
j37 from tl shawd is rated at 305hp 273tq
even stock the j37 from tl is a much gooder than stock j35 that came with 05 rl 286/256
and having a tunable ecu with boltons would benefit even more
if there was an option for k-tuner on j35 shawd ecu then there wont be a need for any of this headsche.
so, you spend what? at the most $5-7k
and are in the same boat as you were in...
you're thinking you're going to gain hundreds and hundreds of horsepower.... YOU WILL NOT!
you will still only make 250-260 wheel HP
you're out $8k, ONLY to be where you were BEFORE that
over 20hp is pretty good in my book.
especially being able to tune the car which would gain even more than just throwing boltons on an untuned and untuneable ecu
if I find a good deal on the motor and tranny I don't see why not
How much money will you be spending in addition to the headache of swapping it in? For 20bhp is not worth it in my book You can sink that money into forced induction, which has been proven on this car before, and get way more than 20 HP...
Just for fun, I searched for a cheap '09-'14 SH-AWD TL with the criteria being under 10K,:
Realistically, between all the custom work you would need just to swap the engine in and the 500$ for the Ktuner, how much would a project like this run? HONESTLY. Wouldn't it make much more sense to just switch over to a TL that is supported by K-Tuner? I feel like between your audio projects and now your desire to go down this road, your RL is nothing but headaches for you.... I honestly hate to push people away from their cars, but I mean, it might be best to just jump ship here... I don't know the status of your RL, but I'm sure that if you sold it, sunk the funds you'd spend on a J37 swap, wouldn't it be much more budget friendly to simply just go out and buy a SH-AWD TL?? No headache, no mess, and you have the base you wanted to modify with....
Last edited by projektvertx; 01-27-2017 at 04:51 PM.
20bhpis stock increase before boltons or possibly cams from ddtech
a tuned intake tube with some exhaust work ported heads and intake manifold +6 speed transmission +atuned ecu is definitely more than 20
this is my first j series
i just finished and dynoed a usdm spec type-r motor that i put together which put down 201whp and 137tq with just boltons
i know what to do if there was only a tuneable ecu where i can retain the sh-awdsystem and the only one i know of isthe sh-awd tl
besides the standalone complex which is not verycheap and probably wont work with shawd
with a tune and boltonsit will be around 30-40
ive been around the internets and the reality is if theres no demand theres no product.
unless we make a list of the people who want the ecu for RL and maybe even prepayfor the development we would have to find a way to use that tl shawd
how does megasquirt with sh-awd system and emissions testing?
I know I WA I can pass emissions plug in with the k tuner or k pro or other system because they don't look for it
but with aftermarket system they have to do tailpipe test and its a pain in the ass
btw. k-tuner says they are working on it.
if we show more interest in the development for RL they might do it faster and not as a sideproject.
so whoever is interested should contact k-tuner and other companies who are modifying stock ecus maybe we get something out of it..
FYI here is a j36 with a j37a4 head. A true j37 will net more tq and some hp. I thought someone was working on a conversion harness because the shawd is tied into the tl ecu through a communication line
maybe be if you convert the harness into the new shawd tl it might work? Since there is k tuner support for that car
i am considering any power adder but without tuneable ECU that retains awd system its pointless to do anything..
the reason to go with j37 is because it would be easier to soure it from a totaled car along with the ecu and wire harness that way i can install the turbo on the J37
reading the ktuner page again seems like they deleted the support for SH-AWD tl for whatever reason.
but still seem to have k-tuner for 09-13 MDX which also has j37
possibly an ecu from 09 ridgeline since its a j35 as well
the reason is because they dont have injector sizing yet so i dont think i be able to compensate for change in displacement
i dont know how limited the k tuner is at the moment thats why it would make more sense to stay with same displacement as ECU
i dont know if people realize tha stock ecu doesnt adjust to a turbo or even boltons. this is not a toyota or nissan with MAF sensor that actually can adjust fueling to a certain degree even with a turbo. the map system is not that flexible
at the moment seems like theres no communication between the TL ecu and RL TCM so its still a pita
damn i feel that guy's struggle lol
i just went through his posts... he having same gripes with this car as i am...
we should get together and ceremonially set our RLs on fire and make a youtube video adressing honda and send the remains to honda headquarters for making us suffer so much
how does megasquirt with sh-awd system and emissions testing?
I know I WA I can pass emissions plug in with the k tuner or k pro or other system because they don't look for it
but with aftermarket system they have to do tailpipe test and its a pain in the ass
btw. k-tuner says they are working on it.
if we show more interest in the development for RL they might do it faster and not as a sideproject.
so whoever is interested should contact k-tuner and other companies who are modifying stock ecus maybe we get something out of it..
I dont understand!!!
I gave you a tuning option...
your mind is blocking you from achieving what you want...
the MS3 is POWERFUL!
but hey, dont believe me...
read what I'm asking bro.
i just wanted to know how those systems interact with sh-awd system
i never had to worry about AWD system this is my first awd car besides crv and crv is mechanical awd not electronic
i mentioned k tuner because that's the only one i found i looked at megasquirt also and see a lot of people haiving issues with MS3 whats that all about?
The factory ECU controls
SHAWD
Gauges
A/C
ABS
Traction control
Unless you want to have a glorified bone stock civic style car then go nuts but you are in for a fun ride .
K tunner wont work with our cars as the ECU are different even the KB2 RL has a different ECU then the 4G TL. It is what it is boys
Ill know this summer how well the AEM FIC does. I have it all wired up and the relays to trick the ecu to not give CEL
Only thing you can not do is advance timing.
Issues I can see with the AEM and oem ecu is if you retard to much timing the ECU will see a issue. Also with adding too much fuel the ECU will trip a CEL.
Well see this summer about the AEM FIC and RL.
Other options is to run 6 separate injectors and a piggy back system.
There is a member on here with a RL that's turbo up in Montreal Quebec Canada near me I wanna see how his turbo RL works out.
I just like the 05 rl exterior better than 09 its looks and feels like a tank. the 09 is too neutral for me I like more aggressive look and this car looks and feels like a tank
with a short ram and v stack people turn heads real quick when I open throttle to see if they should start running lol then they see an RL and have a puzzled look on their face for a second
why does j35y4 from rlx make more power than j37 from RL?
they both have vtec on intake and exhaust
is the rlx motor rated with the electric assist or something?
^^^^^IF you READ the RLX actually use DI (Direct Injection) technology where the RL has MPFI (Multi Port Fuel Injected). What keep me curious why people want to make slow car fast?
why does j35y4 from rlx make more power than j37 from RL?
they both have vtec on intake and exhaust
is the rlx motor rated with the electric assist or something?
are the rlx cams different?
Cams, tune, higher compression and direct injection as posted.
Originally Posted by truonghthe
^^^^^IF you READ the RLX actually use DI (Direct Injection) technology where the RL has MPFI (Multi Port Fuel Injected). What keep me curious why people want to make slow car fast?
That's the whole point, to make is faster
In all seriousness, the RL is such a great car & it deserves to have more power...& a 6spd manual transmission but that's a story for another day.. :wink:
01-25-2017, 02:50 AM
You can sink that money into forced induction, which has been proven on this car before, and get way more than 20 HP...
which is not verycheap and probably wont work with shawd
