Feeler: Equal Length Headers
Mods if this is inappropriate please let me know how to go about doing this correctly.
There was hysteria about equal length headers in the past. Most ideas were either shot down or there was just not enough interest to have them made due to estimated cost. The header options we have now are listed: ebay – Very small in diameter, two flex pipes, poorly made, no bend in the pipe for 6 speeds/swapped cars. XS Power – Comptech replica, had the bend for 6 speed, worked on almost all J native applications. Discontinued. Comptech - Proven gains but expensive and rare. I believe one of the members from the CL boards picked up the last one from Heeltoe. Discontinued. P2R’s equal length – Sean no longer makes these. They were awesome and are quality. I have seen them in person. Discontinued. Paul’s (NVA-AV6) equal length – Very quality. Saw the build from scratch to finished product. Only person I know with a set is Morgan (civicdrvr). Paul has said to me personally that he will probably never make another set. Discontinued. So what are our options? The CL/TL/Accords are becoming affordable as they age and swaps are very common amongst the boards these days. You can see that the only option we have is either the ebay header or stock. You may find some of the options listed in the Classifieds if you are lucky. I’m here to offer an opportunity to have a true equal length setup. I spoke to a longtime friend of mine who is a fabricator. He is willing to put the time and effort to have these sets made. He has the ability to have these mass produced after the prototype is complete and gains are proven. What I need is a volunteer. My friend is located in Tampa, FL. Here is a list to get this thing started. Hoping some local members are willing to help out. - The car. Must be a 98-02 Accord, 99-03 TL or TL-S, or 01-03 CL or CL-S. (Preferably a 6 speed CL-S) - Measurements. Put the car on a lift and figure out what’s the best possible way to make this setup while still keeping it daily driven friendly. A more hardcore setup could be made if requested. - Prototype. Once measurements are made and setup is finalized. The prototype process begins and the car will be needed again until the prototype is complete. - R&D. Prototype is complete and the car will need to be dyno’d with the stock headers and with new headers after to see the gains. - Production. The gains are proven and the prototype will be sent to get “digitized”, where bends can be precision made and replicated. - Mass Production. You can order anytime without having to wait for a fabricator to make to order. THESE WILL BE MADE! I’ll be paying for most of the fabrication and R&D. I will make sure that these will fit all models AT and MT. I would like to have non-S members participate as well to see the gains for those platforms. Whoever the first volunteer is, I will be sure to get you a free set for helping me and the community. Once everything comes to fruition, I will contact the admins and mods to become a vendor and hopefully start selling these to the many J-Series enthusiast. The cost will be affordable, I promise (putting my name and credit on the line here)!!! Opinions and ideas are welcome. Here are a few pictures of my friend’s fabrication. He is currently working on 370z single turbo setup. Last month he fabricated the fastest single turbo setup for a G37S. He has also built cars that took the 2010 and 2011 SCCA T2 Championships. http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4...8028391023.jpghttp://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8...8284110235.jpg http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/1...4828311023.jpghttp://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8...5628331023.jpg http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/293...0933071017.jpg http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6...7930991784.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/121...4099717847.jpg http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2...0388150010.jpghttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/441...3276178473.jpg |
Before all the doomers come in a try to shoot this down before it's even started, I'm interested and hope we can get a test car out to make this happen.
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im in pasco florida little north of tampa ... i have my 98 accord V6
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I would do it put I'm in Jacksonville Florida which is about 3-4 hours away and work full time. :whyme: not to mention unjust bought a set of headers
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Originally Posted by CL-Future
(Post 13735102)
Before all the doomers come in a try to shoot this down before it's even started, I'm interested and hope we can get a test car out to make this happen.
Originally Posted by typeR
(Post 13735104)
im in pasco florida little north of tampa ... i have my 98 accord V6
Originally Posted by Stephen00TL
(Post 13735113)
I would do it put I'm in Jacksonville Florida which is about 3-4 hours away and work full time. :whyme: not to mention unjust bought a set of headers
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I Can test them out of you need a tl p person just let me know and I would be willin to dyno against factory headers and or dc sport headers
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I will buy if they fit the 6 speed TL
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Originally Posted by Stephen00TL
(Post 13735251)
I Can test them out of you need a tl p person just let me know and I would be willin to dyno against factory headers and or dc sport headers
I like to see the market expand even if it's something as little as this. I got the Mugen rep spoiler jump started with Marcus and that came to be a success. So hopefully I can stay consistent. |
Me too there is not much out there for us and a lot of stuff is starting to get discontinued
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I also forgot to mention DC Sports as an option on the header options list. They are available but are for AT's only.
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Would you make them all to fit the 6spd as well instead of having one for the 6spd and one for the automatic. I am curious because I might swap in a 6spd later
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That was the plan was to have them all 6 speed with the bend in the pipe for clearance.
It would be ideal just in case someone decides to sell their set on the BM in the future, both 6MT and Auto guys could benefit. |
That's awesome, thanks
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Hopefully this comes to fruition. I have yet to dyno the car with the new headers/exhaust, but there is a distinct gain according to my butt-dyno. Definitely worth it.
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How much is affordable ?
400,500,600.... |
Not 1 grand + one off prices for damn sure. Let me try to get the ball rolling with the test car and prototype first.
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Good luck , Id buy a set if this ever comes to fruition. Will he need to remove the engine on the test car to fabricate them?
You could make and sell intakes also. The aftermarket options are too restrictive. |
^ When Paul made mine, he used one of his extra engines mounted on a subframe to build it. Im not sure if Jakes fabricators has that convenience.
Agreed on the intakes. Theyre great for noise and basic bolt ons, but the J loves to breathe. The big question - what material will these be made out of? |
Originally Posted by brian6speed
(Post 13735675)
Good luck , Id buy a set if this ever comes to fruition. Will he need to remove the engine on the test car to fabricate them?
You could make and sell intakes also. The aftermarket options are too restrictive.
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
(Post 13735692)
^ When Paul made mine, he used one of his extra engines mounted on a subframe to build it. Im not sure if Jakes fabricators has that convenience.
Agreed on the intakes. Theyre great for noise and basic bolt ons, but the J loves to breathe. The big question - what material will these be made out of? He can do the custom Intakes too but I'm focusing on this at the moment. RichardParker's Intake setup is monstrous. Maybe he can get his guy to make a set and make it for guys like us who seek more power. Material we are using will be 304 SS. |
304SS for the whole thing, or just the tubing?
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:popcorn: its too late for me
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Funny.. have been trying to convince my buddy who owns a fab shop to make me a set of long tubes for the longest time now! Theyre definitely the recipe for cracking the magic 300 barrier. With that being said.. of course im in, id even be willing to toss some cash his/your way during the r&d phase
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interested, would love to get a header with true merge collectors and a 3 inch outlet. Hey by chance is your buddys shop called proven power?
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Originally Posted by civicdrivr
(Post 13736548)
304SS for the whole thing, or just the tubing?
Originally Posted by StreetKA
(Post 13736796)
:popcorn: its too late for me
Originally Posted by AnthraciteTypeS
(Post 13736923)
Funny.. have been trying to convince my buddy who owns a fab shop to make me a set of long tubes for the longest time now! Theyre definitely the recipe for cracking the magic 300 barrier. With that being said.. of course im in, id even be willing to toss some cash his/your way during the r&d phase
Originally Posted by reese8789
(Post 13737113)
interested, would love to get a header with true merge collectors and a 3 inch outlet. Hey by chance is your buddys shop called proven power?
It is not proven power. I'm not sure if I can advertise on here, PM me if you want some more info. I've already PM'd Type R about the headers. Just waiting to hear a response from both my friend and him. |
Bought my 03 CLS6 with XS header already on...if these are a green light for production then I'd be willing to switch(especially if gains/quality is a lot better)
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I'm willing switch out my XS power for new header with bigger outlet. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by RSpyder
(Post 13737352)
Bought my 03 CLS6 with XS header already on...if these are a green light for production then I'd be willing to switch(especially if gains/quality is a lot better)
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Looks like quality work. If the price is right many will be interested on the TL side as well im sure.
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Because this will fit the CL/TL, it should also fit some year accords, right?
Selling it to Accord owners would vastly increase demand, I imagine. |
^It should.
Jake - Depending on the size of the primaries, it may take a bit of work to install these. For the rear, you have to remove the intermediate shaft. In the front, you have to remove the radiator :hide: |
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
(Post 13738849)
Looks like quality work. If the price is right many will be interested on the TL side as well im sure.
Originally Posted by Karanx7
(Post 13739193)
Because this will fit the CL/TL, it should also fit some year accords, right?
Selling it to Accord owners would vastly increase demand, I imagine.
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
(Post 13739270)
^It should.
Jake - Depending on the size of the primaries, it may take a bit of work to install these. For the rear, you have to remove the intermediate shaft. In the front, you have to remove the radiator :hide: I am still waiting to hear back. I've already handed out one contact. Any more FL guys willing to volunteer? |
I live in Pinellas that is right by Tampa, Let me know what all has to be done if I were to volunteer.
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Basically everything I posted on the first post. You've got PM.
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Did you get your test cars? Any update?
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Pm'd a couple members. My friend hasn't heard from anyone yet. I'll have to call again.
Not everyone likes the idea of having their car as the test vehicle for the build. If I don't find anyone then this will have to wait until July when I can drive my car down there and use my own vehicle. |
headers
hey i seen your post this mourning on the custom headers, i think its an awesome idea, im currently building up my 02 TL type S, i currently have a stock exhaust and OBX after market headers. im interested in the headers if you have question please dont hesitate.
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Originally Posted by reaperj32a
(Post 13758560)
hey i seen your post this mourning on the custom headers, i think its an awesome idea, im currently building up my 02 TL type S, i currently have a stock exhaust and OBX after market headers. im interested in the headers if you have question please dont hesitate.
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Originally Posted by reaperj32a
(Post 13758560)
hey i seen your post this mourning on the custom headers, i think its an awesome idea, im currently building up my 02 TL type S, i currently have a stock exhaust and OBX after market headers. im interested in the headers if you have question please dont hesitate.
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Any chance of this getting done by the end of the year? Or more of a long term thing?
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Sounds good JCharged. I'll buy a set.
Was wanting Paul to make me a set of his headers down the road. But like you stated, he probably won't make another set and doesn't have time to do that kind of fabrication on the side. |
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