Stariondriver75

The 20th Annual DSM (and Evo now) Shootout was this passed weekend in Norwalk, Ohio at Summit Motorsports Park. I usually try to make it out to this event every year. My first car was a 1988 Mitsubishi Starion and I have built a few DSMs over the years. I wasnt racing any cars there this year so I took the Acura up to the event. This is my DD so I try my hardest to keep from dogging her too hard. But I'm known to take out a Civic Si or (my fav) 3.5 Maxima on the way home from time to time. And deep down inside I was excited to dial in what I could do with this car 1/4 mile wise. So I entered the test and tune.


Now please take note; All of these times are recorded with a 185lb passenger riding along with me.

2005 Base TL
6speed manual
Short Ram Intake
Jim Wolfe Technology POP Charger w K&N ( custom fitted by me off of G35, would recommend to all)
Bone stock besides the filter
Ran on 40% Tread Yok All Seasons
Full Interior plus Spare Tire Jack assemb etc
1/2 Tank of gas

I am car 4505










I was pretty happy overall with the night. I actually ran 5 times that night but lost one of my SLIPS!!

I would of have ran the car a few more times as I was really starting to knock of the tenths and get my launch dialed in towards the end of the night. I arrived to the event a little late.

Super happy with the .077 R/T in one of the runs, but my launch was a little HIGH and I spun too much or I believe that was a 15 flat run!

Also happy to lug a 3,800lb torqueless wonder passed the 60' at under 2.5 sec's!!



I had a hard time getting the launch perfect. On the street its like 2,4xx rpm. My best launch with all that track bite was around 3,55x rpm.

Again all these passes were made with a 185lb passenger also in the car recording!

I have hopes that I could hit 15.0xx's or better with only myself in the vehicle and a few more goes at my launch.

Just thought I'd share what I did with the DD over the weekend! Also wanted to hear from everyone what their times are?

I have plenty of video of the TL in vehicle and outside, I just dont know any easy ways of hosting it and, well, its a Stock Base TL, idk how many ppl outside of Acurazine would be interested.

Stariondriver75

Also if you notice. My quickest pass of the night was a 15.2xx but I had a down right embarrassing reaction time of .699

It is now my personal goal to get the DD down the track in 14.x's the way she sits

Turbonut

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Just to add, reaction time has nothing to do with the ET. Reaction time is the elapsed time from when the green appears and the tire breaks the beam, and the broken beam is when the clock starts ticking. You could have a reaction time of 2.5 seconds and still run a 15.2xx.

350

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I thought these cars should do low 14's? I really have no interest in taking my TL to the track but that sounds slow to me. My last daily was in mid 13's and the TL doesn't feel much slower when it already rolling.

+1 on the RT comment.

justnspace

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^it looks like the passenger and the tires played a role in his time.

TVL65

Your base 2005 TL says:

THANKS FOR BEATING THE HELL OUT OF ME ALL NIGHT.

EvilVirus

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or that sri

i_love_cars

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SRI isn't helping anyone's cause.

The 185 pound passenger is good for a loss of between 1-2 tenths of a second.

all-season tires blow.

Regardless, launching is still the biggest factor in getting these cars to run a half-decent time in the 1/4. It's not an easy car to launch properly by default, and there is a decent learning curve to perfect it. You won't get it in 1 night of taking it to the track so don't feel too bad about your timeslips, lol.

Stariondriver75

I dont feel bad about the times at all. A SOHC Fat Car that puts down 22x WHP if youre lucky goes Low 15's and people are shocked?!

These base cars doing LOW 14's stock? Idkkkk man. I have a hard time believing that. MID 14's would be pretty tricky in stock form. Also youre basing your butt dyno off of "When it already rolling" That has nothing to do with 1/4 mile times.


I love how no one comments on the POP Charger ;p . Its only volumetric efficiency were talking here guys. Haha. I know the SRI isnt beneficial over a CAI that was day one on the internet in '04 LOL! But a 6" cone K&N on a JWT POP charger, yes thats a significant gain over factory airbox and piping.

My head was still in the bracket racing mode early this morning when I posted this haha. R/T being a factor there. Thats the event I run most at DSM shoot out. I was also posting the time slips up at dsmtuners when I posted this one.

So does anyone else have slips they can post? I am interested to see what numbers you guys are getting out of these cars.

SatinSilverAV6

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Glad you had fun man. What was the ambient temp? looks like the track elevation is around 720ft. DA plays a huge roll in your times. Yes low 15's is slow for a Base TL 6MT, however it was your first time with the TL, you had a passenger and your tires aren't the best for great 60fts. Great runs nonetheless

i_love_cars

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^ this.

OP, don't be surprised that an MT TL running stock can pull mid-to-low 14's. I believe someone ran a 14.2 actually. I'll search around for timeslips on the forums a bit later tonight when I'm off work and have time to sit down and actually look for stuff

splew

The 6MT TL is supposed to do mid 14s stock and low 14s with a good set of tires. Motortrend got a 14.44 @ 98.17mph in a stock TL and a 14.25 @ 97.81 in an A-Spec. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...c/viewall.html

No offense, but mid to low 15s are pretty disappointing. Then again, a friend in the car, an SRI, and A/S tires probably contributed to the slowness.

carbngrytl

Saying you beat up 3.5 Maximas doesn't mean anything. You could be running the 07-08 maxima which is the slowest of all. My old 02 maxima with a 6 speed ran 14.8 with a horrible 60' time. Nissan killed the performance of the maxima when they started using the CVT.

EvilVirus

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damn you frogman with your tiny "text"

splew

I'm assuming this is based on butt dyno results?

Sorry, but you're assuming the stock intake is some kind of massive restriction. It isn't. You could run a hose from the throttle body, out the top of the hood with no filter at all and you would gain next to nothing on an otherwise stock engine.

The only time factory airboxes become restrictions is when you significantly increase the amount of air the engine draws, through serious mods like cams, displacement increases, and forced induction (all coupled with a proper tune of course).

Aftermarket intakes do almost nothing by themselves, no matter how enormous the filter. Your SRI probably hurt performance, as it draws air from the engine bay, where temps probably got pretty high as you waited in line at the strip.

A good thread on this (I hate cars knows his stuff): https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/cold-air-short-ram-intake-04-tl-819325/

Some dyno mythbusting:

splew

It looks normal sized on my screen.

KzooTL

Yikes

EATSLEEPRACE

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post videos

vp55

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OP, I think the SRI and temp. had a big factor on your 1/4.

OT: How does the ASPEC suspension knock down .2 off the 1/4, just curious?

Stariondriver75

The JWT popcharger was proven on a flow bench, not my butt dyno. I'm not sure how relevant the youtube videos are to the k&n pop set up I have. I really dont feel like arguing over turbulence and the flow of air intakes and tiny gains haha.

As I originally stated I felt like the car achieve better times than I managed. Its my DD. I had a pretty good time at the shoot out. I apparently poorly repped the TL, I had the only TL there. I apologize haha

06NH6MTTL

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Decent run but not great...... I am sure elevation came into affect!

i have a......
2006 TL 6 Speed
Ebay CAI
XLR8 75a mounts
XLR8 Torque damper
Coolant and PCV bypass
Corsport Shifter and base bushings
CT Short Shifter
and mid muffler + resonator delete

and this is my best run so far

I have recently installed new oem clutch, new flywheel, PCI Spherical lower control arm bushings and soon to be lowered on tokico hp shocks and tein springs so im hoping to be in the low 14's before i do type s cats or pre cats and jpipe

splew

The A-Spec suspension is lower and stiffer, so less rear squat and more traction to the front wheels under acceleration. Plus the A-Spec package TL came with better tires.

I'm sure it does flow better, but that doesn't necessarily equal more power. The stock TL intake is pretty good and an otherwise stock engine doesn't outpace the flow capacity of the stock filter. So putting on a filter with a higher flow capacity doesn't really do anything (Thread on this https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/i-put-cone-shaped-filter-directly-factory-intake-tube-ok-844327/).

Adding to that, the primary inlet for the stock intake takes in cool outside air from the lower driver side grille, effectively making it a true cold air intake. By replacing this system with a short ram intake, you are changing the primary air source from being cool outside air, to hot air from inside the engine bay, and I'm sure you're aware that hotter air equals less power.

For tl;dr, stock intake>SRI on the TL.

justnspace

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the only thing the pro-charger has going for itself is the fact that its a velocity stack.

Velocity stack = MOAR AIR!!

splew

From what I understand, the pop-charger is just a giant cone filter with an adapter for factory tubing.

Even the guys who sell the thing only claim up to a 10whp gain on the single filter setups on the 350Z. Such claims are often dubious anyways as they typically compare the worst stock baseline numbers with the best modified numbers with the hood open in front of hurricane force fans on the dyno.

Even if the 10whp gain on the 350Z is legit, that's only a 4% gain in power (stock 350Zs dyno at about 240whp), which is isn't enough to make any difference.

Yonkersracing

That doesn't seem too bad, seems pretty on par I would assume for a basically stock car. I would definitely advise you not to race with a passenger in the car, weight kills your times.

Sonnick

Get some more practice. Launching isn't easy and some more seat time should net you better 60's. The 6MT TL is definitely a 14.x car in stock form.

On another note, that trap speed seems awfully low. Are you shifting at redline? How do you shift?

mazdaspeed3God

OP, I smell driver error, and that added weight (passenger) will certainly hurt your time and trap speed.

Did u race with full tank of gas?

Did u remove any unnecessary items (other than spare tire) from the trunk?

Front tire PSI needs to be around 32. Rear at 42+

Like what Sonnick said, did u shift at correct RPM?
Learn your shift points:

1st: 0- 38 mph
2nd: 38- 62 mph
3rd: 62- 93 mph
4th: 93- 125 mph

You'll want to keep that VTEC KICK IN YO~~~~~ lol

Your 60' at 2.79 is terrible. Good launching needs to be in order.

Well driven stock TL 6MT can get down to 14.2~ 14.3 sec ET @ 99.9999999999 mph on a good weather. VROOM VROOM VRRRRROOOOOOOM

Dave_B

Even in crappy weather, you should be able to get into the 2.2 60 foot range on all season tires with a bit of practice. Get the revs high (4500rpms), release the clutch just enough to get rolling, then release the clutch quickly but with some slip, and feed the gas. You need to keep the rpms above 3500rpms, but also keep from blowing the tires off. You'll know you have it right when the tires scamper and hop a bit.

The passenger probably sucked out 1mph or so. I'm sure density air (DA) conditions were less than ideal too. With better driving, less weight, and better DA, there's no reason why this car couldn't go 14.5s@96mph at least.

Years ago, my 5MT 96 Maxima with a y-pipe did consistent 15.2s@92mph with 2.4 60 foots. With LOTS of practice, calculating the ideal shift points, and cooler air, the car consistently went 14.6s@96mph with high 2.1 60 foots, no changes to the car and the same track.

Sonnick

Eh, 99.x mph in a stock TL isn't very probable. Maybe in - 1000ft DA.

anx1300c

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Might happen at sea level on a 35-40 degree day, but most stock 6MT's will be lucky to even break 97 mph. I wonder what the conditions were when Type-S 09 hit 99 mph with an intake. I know it was at Alabama International Dragway, which is 519 ft. Not sure if it has a rep as being a "fast" track or not.

Sonnick

^ Yea I'm not sure either. He did have a UR pulley as well.

I trapped 100.82 with CAI/RV6 V1 Jpipe at Etown. I believe the DA was negative that day. I hope to run on a similar day this fall as I did back then with ~40whp more lol.

BEAR-AvHistory

LI to Englishtown is a pretty long run. I used to live just short way down Rt9 from the track in Freehold Twsp.

Sonnick

^ Yea it's about an hour and a half. There really aren't any tracks closer though. 3 closest tracks I know of are Etown, Atco & Island. I've never been to Atco but have been to Island and think it's better for my purposes than Etown. I got more runs in at Island and it's much cheaper as well. I'm pretty sure it's slightly faster than Etown also.

Yonkersracing

I've been to all 3 tracks, just not in the RSX. Atco there is no way around the water box, so if you don't have a drag tire, you are screwed. I also think Island is faster, everyone I know who has run at multiple tracks has gone faster at Island. E-Town test and tune sucks, imo....you are only going to get 3 runs 90% of the time. People break all the time and clean up takes forever.