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11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
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The sedan isn't notably faster than the coupe (G37) is it? I know when tested on the same day there was a .1 difference in the quarter, but that's negligible. Everyone says the coupe is heavier, but the Journey coupe only has 5lbs. on the Journey sedan, and the S coupe is a lb lighter than the S sedan.
I guess the coupe got the exhaust note, sedan got the gearing.
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11-15-2012, 06:51 AM
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Sounds really great with lots of quality parts, have you done any 1/4 or 1/2 mile runs with it?
There was a big airport run hosted by Shift Sector in CA last weekend with a number of AMG's running. Read that it was a very good event & the vids are just starting to get posted.
11-15-2012, 09:33 AM
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A 6MT sedan/coupe would be a drivers race. ET/traps are within 2-3 tenths and 1-3mph. With equal drivers the sedan will win every time.
I pulled a G37 coupe awhile back before a good bit of mods. Of course it was the 5AT coupe though. I'd love to run a new 6MT sedan and see the look on his face post-run
I pulled a G37 coupe awhile back before a good bit of mods. Of course it was the 5AT coupe though. I'd love to run a new 6MT sedan and see the look on his face post-run
11-15-2012, 10:52 AM
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Sounds really great with lots of quality parts, have you done any 1/4 or 1/2 mile runs with it?
There was a big airport run hosted by Shift Sector in CA last weekend with a number of AMG's running. Read that it was a very good event & the vids are just starting to get posted.
There was a big airport run hosted by Shift Sector in CA last weekend with a number of AMG's running. Read that it was a very good event & the vids are just starting to get posted.
I have, however, had a few encounters. I've shown my tail lights to;
New Camaro SS (don't think it was modded, I left him like he was parked)
Modded 5.0
'10/'11 GT500 vert.
E60 M5
Modded MS3
and I ran down a 997 911 Turbo ('09/'10) on the autobahn. I had to let off somewhere around 155-16Xmph because I was getting too close to his bumper (no passing on the right on the autobahn).
Sonnick- I'm sure you've surprised a few people. You've got a quick Accord for sure. The icing is that it isn't expected.
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11-15-2012, 01:22 PM
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11-15-2012, 01:28 PM
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335 is not faster than a G37 coupe as I experienced
I don't go with numbers or dynos, at road, everythings different
Even a friend long time ago with this Type-S was able to keep up with 335 sedan
He once tried with a G37, it was his first and last
Forget G35 or other ones but G37S Coupe, don't get close
2007 Maxima SE 3.5
2010 C300
When a civic revs I dont even bother. I like being the underdog
11-15-2012, 02:52 PM
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Haven't taken her to the strip yet. These Conti's are soft, but don't have enough grip for this car. Once I have time and PSS's I'll be able to share my slips. Average for stock cars is 11.7X-12.0 @~119-12Xmph (stock P31 or non-P31 w/tune, which runs close to P31).
I have, however, had a few encounters. I've shown my tail lights to;
New Camaro SS (don't think it was modded, I left him like he was parked)
Modded 5.0
'10/'11 GT500 vert.
E60 M5
Modded MS3
and I ran down a 997 911 Turbo ('09/'10) on the autobahn. I had to let off somewhere around 155-16Xmph because I was getting too close to his bumper (no passing on the right on the autobahn).
I have, however, had a few encounters. I've shown my tail lights to;
New Camaro SS (don't think it was modded, I left him like he was parked)
Modded 5.0
'10/'11 GT500 vert.
E60 M5
Modded MS3
and I ran down a 997 911 Turbo ('09/'10) on the autobahn. I had to let off somewhere around 155-16Xmph because I was getting too close to his bumper (no passing on the right on the autobahn).
Terry's dyno shows his 135i at 520whp but is carrying less weight then the E63. They finished out in the 160+mph range over the 1/2 mile.
There is another vid up where Eric's AMG E63 beats an 2013 M5 by a few trailer truck lengths.
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11-16-2012, 11:33 AM
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11-16-2012, 12:31 PM
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This is Terry Burger, owner of BMS who builds the JB4, at the airport run. His friend Eric's AMG Bi-Turbo camera car is RENNtech tuned at a listed 583whp.
Terry's dyno shows his 135i at 520whp but is carrying less weight then the E63. They finished out in the 160+mph range over the 1/2 mile.
There is another vid up where Eric's AMG E63 beats an 2013 M5 by a few trailer truck lengths.
Terry's dyno shows his 135i at 520whp but is carrying less weight then the E63. They finished out in the 160+mph range over the 1/2 mile.
There is another vid up where Eric's AMG E63 beats an 2013 M5 by a few trailer truck lengths.
The 135 in that vid is heavily modded, the E63 is tune only. The 135 has ~ double it's stock rwhp.
135-
upgraded turbos
running Meth
Full bolt ons
completely gutted
The E has nothing more than a conservative tune. Imagine if it had upgraded turbos, Meth, full bolt ons, completely gutted, custom tune...
Here's a vid of a heavily modded 335 vs a C63 w/exhaust (no tune/headers, he corrected it in his vid comments). The C63 lets off when it's clear that he's jogging away.
335-
Full bolt ons
Meth
wide body
gutted
I'm glad the copetition is strong, it's fuel for the automakers hp wars. These cars just keep getting better. The next gen M and AMG cars are right around the corner and I can't wait.
Noel: 4 200+lb guys in the G changes things a bit.
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11-16-2012, 05:23 PM
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Nah its not a AMG - N54 thing since its obvious that a 5.5 liter AMG engine is stronger then a 3 liter N54 engine. What its about is just how easy it is to make a N54 very competitive with just about anything. Being able to double your WHP fot under $5K is not a bad thing.
If I wanted to showed the 135 in its best light with factory turbos still in place I would have posted this one against a tuned/intake & exhaust modified E63AMG with Terry running away instead of the very competitive one I did post.
The idea is that a lot of people buy used cars which are not very quick to start with & spend a lot of money with not much of a result for the dollars spent. A used 2007 335 with a good motor can be boosted to a 400whp 12 second car for about $1200 over the price of the car or under 20K all in.
I would disagree about the 135 being heavily modified since its all relatively inexpensive bolt ons for about $4,500 all in with the engine having never been opened up. He guts it by taking the front & back seats out when he runs . The RENNtech tuned ECU alone on the E63 bi-turbo goes for $3500 so it’s a bit more then a light tune since he lists his whp as 583.
At any rate there are quick AMG’s & not so quick ones just like there are quick N54’s & not so quick one.
If I wanted to showed the 135 in its best light with factory turbos still in place I would have posted this one against a tuned/intake & exhaust modified E63AMG with Terry running away instead of the very competitive one I did post.
The idea is that a lot of people buy used cars which are not very quick to start with & spend a lot of money with not much of a result for the dollars spent. A used 2007 335 with a good motor can be boosted to a 400whp 12 second car for about $1200 over the price of the car or under 20K all in.
I would disagree about the 135 being heavily modified since its all relatively inexpensive bolt ons for about $4,500 all in with the engine having never been opened up. He guts it by taking the front & back seats out when he runs . The RENNtech tuned ECU alone on the E63 bi-turbo goes for $3500 so it’s a bit more then a light tune since he lists his whp as 583.
At any rate there are quick AMG’s & not so quick ones just like there are quick N54’s & not so quick one.
11-16-2012, 09:25 PM
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Nah its not a AMG - N54 thing since its obvious that a 5.5 liter AMG engine is stronger then a 3 liter N54 engine. What its about is just how easy it is to make a N54 very competitive with just about anything. Being able to double your WHP fot under $5K is not a bad thing.
I had no idea it was that cheap. Nice gains for almost nothing.
If I wanted to showed the 135 in its best light with factory turbos still in place I would have posted this one against a tuned/intake & exhaust modified E63AMG with Terry running away instead of the very competitive one I did post.
This vid doesn't really make sense. The same car, only with less power, runs away from an E63 (tune, intake, exhaust), when in the other vid it couldn't pull a tune only E63 (and this is after the 135 went big turbo's). I'm geussing there is some false info, or the E63 is the old one (w211). Maybe it's a BMW E63 (645/650i).
The idea is that a lot of people buy used cars which are not very quick to start with & spend a lot of money with not much of a result for the dollars spent. A used 2007 335 with a good motor can be boosted to a 400whp 12 second car for about $1200 over the price of the car or under 20K all in.
I completely agree. In fact, after you mentioned how cheap it was to mod the X35's I checked CL for a used 135. I might pick one up as a dedicated track toy.
I would disagree about the 135 being heavily modified since its all relatively inexpensive bolt ons for about $4,500 all in with the engine having never been opened up. He guts it by taking the front & back seats out when he runs .
If bolt ons and tune are considered moderate, Big Turbo's, Meth kit, removing the interior, +? =...
The RENNtech tuned ECU alone on the E63 bi-turbo goes for $3500 so it’s a bit more then a light tune since he lists his whp as 583.
Ouch, pricey for a conservative tune. Weistec offers 629whp and 673wtq (on 91 oct) for under $3k.
At any rate there are quick AMG’s & not so quick ones just like there are quick N54’s & not so quick one.
Not sure what your definition of "quick" is, but there isn't an AMG in production that can't run the 1/4 in at least mid/low 12's @ at least 115mph. My car tested 3.7 0-60mph (both C&D and MT) and the 1/4 in 12.1 (both again) @ 120/117mph (C&D/MT) bone stock. There is an A-class AMG in the works (A45, or something like that), not sure how quick it will be. No joke, I'm going to go back to 135 hunting.
Seriously, thanks for the info.
I had no idea it was that cheap. Nice gains for almost nothing.
If I wanted to showed the 135 in its best light with factory turbos still in place I would have posted this one against a tuned/intake & exhaust modified E63AMG with Terry running away instead of the very competitive one I did post.
This vid doesn't really make sense. The same car, only with less power, runs away from an E63 (tune, intake, exhaust), when in the other vid it couldn't pull a tune only E63 (and this is after the 135 went big turbo's). I'm geussing there is some false info, or the E63 is the old one (w211). Maybe it's a BMW E63 (645/650i).
The idea is that a lot of people buy used cars which are not very quick to start with & spend a lot of money with not much of a result for the dollars spent. A used 2007 335 with a good motor can be boosted to a 400whp 12 second car for about $1200 over the price of the car or under 20K all in.
I completely agree. In fact, after you mentioned how cheap it was to mod the X35's I checked CL for a used 135. I might pick one up as a dedicated track toy.
I would disagree about the 135 being heavily modified since its all relatively inexpensive bolt ons for about $4,500 all in with the engine having never been opened up. He guts it by taking the front & back seats out when he runs .
If bolt ons and tune are considered moderate, Big Turbo's, Meth kit, removing the interior, +? =...
The RENNtech tuned ECU alone on the E63 bi-turbo goes for $3500 so it’s a bit more then a light tune since he lists his whp as 583.
Ouch, pricey for a conservative tune. Weistec offers 629whp and 673wtq (on 91 oct) for under $3k.
At any rate there are quick AMG’s & not so quick ones just like there are quick N54’s & not so quick one.
Not sure what your definition of "quick" is, but there isn't an AMG in production that can't run the 1/4 in at least mid/low 12's @ at least 115mph. My car tested 3.7 0-60mph (both C&D and MT) and the 1/4 in 12.1 (both again) @ 120/117mph (C&D/MT) bone stock. There is an A-class AMG in the works (A45, or something like that), not sure how quick it will be. No joke, I'm going to go back to 135 hunting.
Seriously, thanks for the info.
11-16-2012, 11:33 PM
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Not sure what the spread was between the two E63 AMG's but one run was clearly faster then the other one. It was two different airport runs one in the spring & one last week. In the spring the 135 had stock turbos & in the last one the RB upgrades. The AMG could be Eric's car in both but with & without the RENNtech tune, I just don’t remember. BTW: the RB's are not big turbos like Shivs big single but actually reworked stock units.
Shivs single is a bolt on with a new intake manifold but at about $10K-14K is much more expensive then the twin-turbo setups. The 335i big singles were said to be in the 170mph range last week & still debugging, which put them at least 10mph faster then the 135RB combo. Some of the high horsepower cars were having issues with 5th gear releasing on the automatic cars so the STEPTRONIC might be hitting its torque limit. No one has a 7DCT so no idea how they might standup to the extra power. They are not sure if it’s a programed safety thing or if the trans are mechanically failing.
RB is getting a new competitor, Vargas Turbos, who will be offering stock rebuilds for out of warranty guys who don’t want to buy overpriced factory replacements, stage 1 which should equal the RB units plus a stage 2 which will be larger turbos but still smaller then the big singles which are showing up to 630whp still on stock head & internals.
Could be just a definitional difference but as a former racing engine builder & don't consider external bolt-ons as heavy a mod. When you open the engine do head & other internal work you are into heavy mods.
Shivs single is a bolt on with a new intake manifold but at about $10K-14K is much more expensive then the twin-turbo setups. The 335i big singles were said to be in the 170mph range last week & still debugging, which put them at least 10mph faster then the 135RB combo. Some of the high horsepower cars were having issues with 5th gear releasing on the automatic cars so the STEPTRONIC might be hitting its torque limit. No one has a 7DCT so no idea how they might standup to the extra power. They are not sure if it’s a programed safety thing or if the trans are mechanically failing.
RB is getting a new competitor, Vargas Turbos, who will be offering stock rebuilds for out of warranty guys who don’t want to buy overpriced factory replacements, stage 1 which should equal the RB units plus a stage 2 which will be larger turbos but still smaller then the big singles which are showing up to 630whp still on stock head & internals.
Could be just a definitional difference but as a former racing engine builder & don't consider external bolt-ons as heavy a mod. When you open the engine do head & other internal work you are into heavy mods.
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11-24-2012, 05:34 PM
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Not sure what the spread was between the two E63 AMG's but one run was clearly faster then the other one. It was two different airport runs one in the spring & one last week. In the spring the 135 had stock turbos & in the last one the RB upgrades. The AMG could be Eric's car in both but with & without the RENNtech tune, I just don’t remember.
The spring run was a C63.
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