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Old 01-01-2011, 03:00 PM
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Bolted 2G TL-S vs G37X Sedan

Had a lil run in with a g37x sedan yesterday i was driving casually with my gf in the passenger when i start getting tail gated by a silver g37x sedan he then jumps in the right lane to cut me off. so i decided to bug him a lil by speeding up. he then floors it and cuts me off.

we get to a light i pull up beside him he has no passengers in his car.. i didnt think he would race me but i put it in tiptronic anyways just in case and we start off slow then around 25-30mph he floors and so do i but im in low second so he starts pulling but when i get into the higher rpms i stop his pull and im by his rear quarter panel whole time

we then get stopped at a second light. this time i was ready put it into gate shift mode and light turned green i start moving forward so i can get a good launch from a roll. and we go at it this time he was ahead by lil less then a fender and when i shift into second he starts pulling really slowly and i get into high second and stop his pull. and he stayed lil less then half car ahead the whole time to 75 mph where he jus let off

my mods are in my sig and i had one passenger, i also had a sub box in my trunk but i did have empty tank of gas during this race. i also have brand new tires on the front which helped me get a good launch. but im surprised that i hung in with the g37x. i wonder how it wouldve been without a passenger, seats or sub box.
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
Had a lil run in with a g37x sedan yesterday i was driving casually with my gf in the passenger when i start getting tail gated by a silver g37x sedan he then jumps in the right lane to cut me off. so i decided to bug him a lil by speeding up. he then floors it and cuts me off.

we get to a light i pull up beside him he has no passengers in his car.. i didnt think he would race me but i put it in tiptronic anyways just in case and we start off slow then around 25-30mph he floors and so do i but im in low second so he starts pulling but when i get into the higher rpms i stop his pull and im by his rear quarter panel whole time

we then get stopped at a second light. this time i was ready put it into gate shift mode and light turned green i start moving forward so i can get a good launch from a roll. and we go at it this time he was ahead by lil less then a fender and when i shift into second he starts pulling really slowly and i get into high second and stop his pull. and he stayed lil less then half car ahead the whole time to 75 mph where he jus let off

my mods are in my sig and i had one passenger, i also had a sub box in my trunk but i did have empty tank of gas during this race. i also have brand new tires on the front which helped me get a good launch. but im surprised that i hung in with the g37x. i wonder how it wouldve been without a passenger, seats or sub box.
the 3.7's have very good torque, but no top end power though, which is where our cars start to pull (raced a 6 speed manual 3.5L Maxima, and basically the same thing happened, we stayed even then as soon as the revs started to climb into the 6k range, i just pulled away)


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thanks fries i remember when i test drove a 2010 g37xs it didnt feel all that powerful. but man that interior of that car is sweet and its really roomy

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thanks fries i remember when i test drove a 2010 g37xs it didnt feel all that powerful. but man that interior of that car is sweet and its really roomy
NP, and also don't forget that the AWD drivetrain soaks up some of the power too (but you get into a slippary situation and that thing will leave you behind)(also same basic motors as far as the Maxima and G37, both are the VQ series of engines)

and certain brands definitely have their strong points compared to others
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I hope that you know the Maxima is still using the VQ35DE right?
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Originally Posted by friesm2000
NP, and also don't forget that the AWD drivetrain soaks up some of the power too (but you get into a slippary situation and that thing will leave you behind)(also same basic motors as far as the Maxima and G37, both are the VQ series of engines)

and certain brands definitely have their strong points compared to others
The VQ35DE and VQ37HR share the same roots in the original VQ30DE but have disparate characteristics with the former being relatively torquey but not particularly peaky with vice versa applicable to the latter.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
The VQ35DE and VQ37HR share the same roots in the original VQ30DE but have disparate characteristics with the former being relatively torquey but not particularly peaky with vice versa applicable to the latter.
Yeah just want to point out that you don't want to get stuck into saying the VQs don't have any topend. Especially with the HR variants like F23A4 pointed out.

The RWD VQ37s dyno upwards of 290whp stock and pull all the way to the 7500 RPM redline. Not to be mistaken with the earlier gen VQs that tend to run out of steam after 5800 in stock form.

Good kill OP!!!
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I had a very lucky experience where I had a G37X 7-speed auto loaner (with 800 miles to boot) for about a month. They have really odd gear ratios IMHO. 1st ends by 30 and 2nd ends by 50. You are in 3rd gear by the time you hit 60. Like some said, I thought its best gear was on the top end in 4th gear. Had decent pull for an everyday sedan from 80-120 (all 4th gear---i posted a vid of it awhile back). Somewhat similar to a 2gTL-S with 3rd gear being the strongest IMHO. However, once the 2g TL-S hits 4th gear around 110 mph, the G37 with the 7-speed is definitely pulling.

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Originally Posted by F23A4
The VQ35DE and VQ37HR share the same roots in the original VQ30DE but have disparate characteristics with the former being relatively torquey but not particularly peaky with vice versa applicable to the latter.
as said same BASIC motor, kinda like the J30 and J37, never said it was a stroked version of the same motor or anything (and yes there are many variables as to where an engine makes it's power)
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you wanna give my car a try kdawg? hahaha
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3.7 HR no top end power?? That was funny
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
Had a lil run in with a g37x sedan yesterday i was driving casually with my gf in the passenger when i start getting tail gated by a silver g37x sedan he then jumps in the right lane to cut me off. so i decided to bug him a lil by speeding up. he then floors it and cuts me off.

we get to a light i pull up beside him he has no passengers in his car.. i didnt think he would race me but i put it in tiptronic anyways just in case and we start off slow then around 25-30mph he floors and so do i but im in low second so he starts pulling but when i get into the higher rpms i stop his pull and im by his rear quarter panel whole time

we then get stopped at a second light. this time i was ready put it into gate shift mode and light turned green i start moving forward so i can get a good launch from a roll. and we go at it this time he was ahead by lil less then a fender and when i shift into second he starts pulling really slowly and i get into high second and stop his pull. and he stayed lil less then half car ahead the whole time to 75 mph where he jus let off

my mods are in my sig and i had one passenger, i also had a sub box in my trunk but i did have empty tank of gas during this race. i also have brand new tires on the front which helped me get a good launch. but im surprised that i hung in with the g37x. i wonder how it wouldve been without a passenger, seats or sub box.
It says you have j37 intake manifold. My question to you is... Were there changes made in the different J-series motors that i missed or did u get a manifold off of a J37 and just do things like port and polished it? Thanks for your answer.
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Originally Posted by friesm2000
as said same BASIC motor, kinda like the J30 and J37, never said it was a stroked version of the same motor or anything (and yes there are many variables as to where an engine makes it's power)
My last car was an 07 AV6 (J30A5), my current ride is an 09 MDX (J37A1), I've driven the 3G TL (J32A3) and TL-S (J35A8) so TRUST ME when I say they have nearly identical characteristics (though at different power levels)....unlike the instance of the VQ35DE vs VQ37HR (reference Slow03Maxima's post).

Good read on the VQ FFL vs FM comparison: LINK

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3.7 HR no top end power?? That was funny
Unfortunately, a number of Honda/Acura folks have limited exposure to Nissan/Infiniti products and in many cases what little exposure they have is tainted by anti-Nissan bias. The G37 is a topend monster and the X is only slowed down by its AWD drivetrain. 105 mph traps in RWD layout tell me enough about where top end goes (barring electronic intervention).

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Originally Posted by ParaSurfer1979
It says you have j37 intake manifold. My question to you is... Were there changes made in the different J-series motors that i missed or did u get a manifold off of a J37 and just do things like port and polished it? Thanks for your answer.
search for it, basically other then an adaptor from P2R and a little wiring for the IMRC, it's basically a bolt-on affair iirc
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Originally Posted by F23A4
My last car was an 07 AV6 (J30A5), my current ride is an 09 MDX (J37A1), I've driven the 3G TL (J32A3) and TL-S (J35A8) so TRUST ME when I say they have nearly identical characteristics (though at different power levels)....unlike the instance of the VQ35DE vs VQ37HR (reference Slow03Maxima's post).

Good read on the VQ FFL vs FM comparison: LINK



Unfortunately, a number of Honda/Acura folks have limited exposure to Nissan/Infiniti products and in many cases what little exposure they have is tainted by anti-Nissan bias. The G37 is a topend monster and the X is only slowed down by its AWD drivetrain. 105 mph traps in RWD layout tell me enough about where top end goes (barring electronic intervention).
the good read, nothing really "technical" about it, other then different locations for the mounting bosses and such, to accommodate the different mounting layouts
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Originally Posted by friesm2000
search for it, basically other then an adaptor from P2R and a little wiring for the IMRC, it's basically a bolt-on affair iirc
I'm asking as to why u swapped it at all? Was their a performance gain? I no my 08, in 07 Acura switched to magnesium intake manifold.
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Originally Posted by ParaSurfer1979
I'm asking as to why u swapped it at all? Was their a performance gain? I no my 08, in 07 Acura switched to magnesium intake manifold.
kdawg swapped, not me
i am still on the original manifold (and will probably stay that way too, cause there is more "meat" to port out to get it to flow better; where iirc the newer manifold, it is lighter but part of that is also the thinner walls though)
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da new manifold.. i felt a really good gain after 3500 rpms i still have to do the after dyno to show how much i gained
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^^ You'd see more power with a custom header as well. The Comptech header has good primaries it seems, but the merge really isn't good at all. From the pictures I've seen, the merge looks like the RV6 V1 merge, which really isn't a merge at all. It more or less 2 pipes shoved into 1 which is not a smooth transition at all. No discredit to Richie, btw. He is a great guy and has since drastically improved his pipe (no homo).

With a better flowing merge, like the ATLP/XLR8 Jpipes, you will surely see an increase in power. Not only top end, but throughout the RPM range.
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
da new manifold.. i felt a really good gain after 3500 rpms i still have to do the after dyno to show how much i gained
Whats the difference in your stoc manifold an my 08's magnesium one or the J37's?
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Whats the difference in your stoc manifold an my 08's magnesium one or the J37's?
i dont know the difference its half the weight of my old manifold.. it showed a better hp increase then the p2r plenums thats why i chose to go with the 09 manifold.

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you wanna give my car a try kdawg? hahaha
i dont back down from a challenge if you wanna go ill come down there and run you and we should record it for the azine community

even though ill probably lose lol since you car is a 6 speed manual and the rwd version.. but lets see how close i hang wit u ill make sure to take out my subs and my seats

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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
i dont know the difference its half the weight of my old manifold.. it showed a better hp increase then the p2r plenums thats why i chose to go with the 09 manifold.



i dont back down from a challenge if you wanna go ill come down there and run you and we should record it for the azine community

even though ill probably lose lol since you car is a 6 speed manual and the rwd version.. but lets see how close i hang wit u ill make sure to take out my subs and my seats
alot more efficient putting down the power

as far as seats, you only need a milk crate to sit on (since all you gotta do is smash the gas pedal ), F@ck any type of real seat
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^ straight up but i dont think id be able to cross the border like that haha

but yeah i thought i read somewhere also that the 7 speed auto is almost just as fast as the 6 speed manual anyone know if thats true?

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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
^ straight up but i dont think id be able to cross the border like that haha

but yeah i thought i read somewhere also that the 7 speed auto is almost just as fast as the 6 speed manual anyone know if thats true?
they have gotten more efficient in recent years (they are still heavier though), but i think more of what it is though, is that they have gained additional gears (and at least the same number as basically every manual out there, and honda even has a 6-speed auto out now, shit even chevy trucks have started to get 6-speed autos), so it puts the engine into a even more effiecent power band then with fewer gears (and relying less on the torque convertor to help broaden the powerband)




also as far as crossing the border, pull out the passenger seat before hand, then once you get across pull out the driver seat, and find a secure place to store it for a couple of hours (i think erick's house would be good, since you ARE the one coming across the border afterall)

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, also do you have a niece or nephew that could race for you (for being lighter)
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or you know what better idea ill put a brick on the gas pedal and jump out and well see if that helps my chances hahahah
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another thing is DO you REALLY have to cross the border?

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...,0.351563&z=12

you stay in and he stays in the US; while racing down 0 ave, or 312 ave, or Boundary RD
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border to border racing lol
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Yes the 7AT is just as fast if not faster than the 6MT. The best times stock for the 370z were with the 7 speed.

KDawg: Idk if you read my post but I suggest looking into a set of custom headers. A better collector will more efficiently and effectively 'pull' the gases out of the cylinders, hence resulting in more power. This is scavenging. With no real collector, there is power lost. Since you have headers (unlike us 7G Accord/3G TL), your collector size/length is more important for scavenging. I wouldn't be surprised if you gained another 10wtq throughout the powerband with a better collector as well as more hp.
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border to border racing lol
, then if you get pulled over, you know they are on your side, cause they should be rooting for their own country
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
Yes the 7AT is just as fast if not faster than the 6MT. The best times stock for the 370z were with the 7 speed.

KDawg: Idk if you read my post but I suggest looking into a set of custom headers. A better collector will more efficiently and effectively 'pull' the gases out of the cylinders, hence resulting in more power. This is scavenging. With no real collector, there is power lost. Since you have headers (unlike us 7G Accord/3G TL), your collector size/length is more important for scavenging. I wouldn't be surprised if you gained another 10wtq throughout the powerband with a better collector as well as more hp.
not cheap though, you are looking at $1500 plus though (but i personally want a better j-pipe on my comptech's which should not be nearly as much)
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Originally Posted by Sonnick
Yes the 7AT is just as fast if not faster than the 6MT. The best times stock for the 370z were with the 7 speed.

KDawg: Idk if you read my post but I suggest looking into a set of custom headers. A better collector will more efficiently and effectively 'pull' the gases out of the cylinders, hence resulting in more power. This is scavenging. With no real collector, there is power lost. Since you have headers (unlike us 7G Accord/3G TL), your collector size/length is more important for scavenging. I wouldn't be surprised if you gained another 10wtq throughout the powerband with a better collector as well as more hp.
sorry mustve missed ur post. but yeah i dont know anyone that can custom fabricate headers up here
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Originally Posted by kdawg8526
i dont know the difference its half the weight of my old manifold.. it showed a better hp increase then the p2r plenums thats why i chose to go with the 09 manifold.



i dont back down from a challenge if you wanna go ill come down there and run you and we should record it for the azine community

even though ill probably lose lol since you car is a 6 speed manual and the rwd version.. but lets see how close i hang wit u ill make sure to take out my subs and my seats
hahaha whenever you have time man!
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maybe next meet. this weather is really retarded lately but soon ill run you
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