2K2SilverTL-S

I’ve been having A LOT of encounters with crotch rockets lately. Some stories I haven’t posted, but this I’ll share. So late last night was one of those beautiful nights, high 70s and clear skies, and I was just coasting at 60 mph in the middle lane with the windows/convertible top down. Suddenly, I see a group of 5 bikes riding together at a high rate of speed in the left lane. As they pass me, a few of the bikes put it in neutral and throw me some revs to get my attention. I put it in neutral and through them a rev back (love hearing those crackles and pops of my exhaust). They take off, and I was going to let them go on their way, but the road was wide open and I thought I would play a little. Downshifted and kept their pace, eventually passing them up. Then, one of the guys emerges from the pack and catches up to me. It was an all black bike with a huge rear tire. Didn’t catch the branding, but my guess was that it was more than a 600. Anyway, he gets next to me in the left lane and Im in the middle lane at 100 mph and he gives me a wave to go (kind of saying in a cocky way to go ahead and gun it as he is going to rip me anyway). So I take it into 4th and gun it and he ducks down to his gas tank and rips it too. I pull the length of my Vette and he is in my blind side at the start. At this point I have tunnel vision and am not really paying attention to him. 110, 120, 130, 140 mph….waiting for him to rip by me but he couldn’t. Then suddenly we caught some traffic with a car in the middle and right lanes. I need to switch over into his left lane and I really couldn’t see where he was. I make the move to the left lane and see he is a motorcycle length behind my car. At this point Im at 150mph, hit the rev limiter in 4th, and then stood the brakes immediately. He slows down as well. He never gets next to me, and I jump over and take the exit. Guess he was a little “too confident” in the power in his bike with the cocky wave he gave me at the start. I really thought he was toying with me or something. Instead, it looks like his bike is slower than he thought. His friends were all witnesses too It is such a rush to run with bikes, but this is the last one for a while, I know where my car stands at this point. If I had my top up, it wouldn't even have been that close.

vhtran

I know your car is fast, but I have to chime in and by no mean that I am trying to not believe in your car or defense for the biker. However, with my experiences, I didn't have trouble reaching 155mph on my Ninja 600 and 180mph on the R1 with stock setup. After power commander, intake + exhaust, I had no issue passing another R1 at around 150mph. Before anyone jumps in with the speeding, those were done in Mexico. =)

Vasher

This could very easily could have ended with one or more casualties. I have reached these speeds in the US (higher in Germany), but in the middle of the night, on a four lane highway, without a car in sight for 5 miles in either direction.

Don't die, don't kill anyone. (Again, I'm no Saint)

Ken1997TL

Somehow I suspect the only feelings that would ever be hurt would be the OP's

2K2SilverTL-S

Vhtran, this was not about what speeds could be reached. My 6-speed car is at 150 mph at the top of 4th, so you can make your own assumptions on how fast it could top out at.

Vasher, this was the middle of the night and there were no cars around. But you catch up to vehicles no where in sight pretty quickly at those speeds. I agree, it was not very smart and we all maybe guilty of getting caught up in the moment.

Ken, you're the one who is obsessed with me. Maybe you should analyze your own psyche and why you feel the need to insult me to feel better about yourself. I'll keep my opinion to why that is to myself.

Satin, thanks for the thanks.

vhtran

LOL ... I wasn't trying to say how fast (speed) they can max out. I was trying to say how quick they can max out., but then I am not gear head. My reply was just assuming anyway , so I am assuming your Vett is no less than 700rwhp. Cheers!

Rick_TL-S

You don't make near enough power to run a 600, esp. if you thought in another thread that the GSX-R that raped you was at least a 750 (that's actually probably true, though).

That, or you raced a hell of a novice on his bike. A serious 600 rider will kill anyone who isn't running anything near 500whp. A SVT Cobra needs around 600whp to to beat a 600 rider as you claim you did, so I'm betting a Vette needs around 550whp. After your mods thread, you said you tacked on an extra 40whp, so you're barely touching 400whp.

I assume you'll be beating a liter bike next, though.

damnboy37

Nice kill, but the rider was clearly in the wrong gear, unless you can walk zr1s.

pohljm

wow! lighten up! there are plenty of 600 cc bikes that cannot keep up with a modded vette. sounds like a bunch of jealousy

anx1300c

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It's impossible to tell the difference between 600's and 1000's if you don't know what to look for. They're not visibly different in dimension.

Some real world perspective:

My '95 CBR 600 F3 would trap 120 back in the day. That was fast for a 600 then. 600's from around 2000 and ^ will break 130.

My '97 GSX-R 750 would touch 130. '96-99 GSX-R 750's were about on par with 900 RR's. The GSX-R 750 got progressively quicker starting in 2000 and is capable of mid/upper 130's.

Liter bikes are easily capable of getting into the lower/mid 140's. My buddy's '01 and '04 R1 would both run lower 140's. Current liter bikes are faster still and will do mid 140's all day. It's tough to argue with 170-180 hp pushing 600 lbs (with rider).

ZX-14R isn't really any faster than the liter bikes, it just has more roll on torque, which is really fun. My buddy went a best of 9.6x @ 148 with a PC, slip-on and lowered front end on his. That bike would literally make you think your arms were about to become dislocated at full throttle. It's hard to put into words what a rush that bike was to ride. I thought I knew "fast" on two wheels, but that thing was brutal.

anx1300c

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Oh, so in a nutshell, I would guess OP's car is maybe an upper 11x-120 mph car? I could definitely see it hanging with or edging out any 90's 600, even with a very good rider. 90's 600's are pretty much going to hit a brick wall at 150. Even a not so good rider on a newer 600 would still have his hands full. 600's and to a somewhat lesser degree, the 750 Gixxer don't have a ton of torque and really need to be wrung out to move to their full potential. A 1000 would have loads of room to toy with a bolt on C6.

Rick_TL-S

And old are those bikes again? A decade? Almost any 600cc sport bike built in the last 5 years will not fall behind a Corvette that barely touches 400whp.

You have Z06 owners who can hardly stay with a 600cc bike that's got a halfway decent rider. I don't believe for a second some C6 Convertible with exhaust mods & a tune will keep one at bay.

vhtran

Anything after 150 the 600 will fall, same with the 1000 after 180. However, the 600 and 1000 take only seconds to get to their limits. I don't recall the 600 but when I hit 182 on the 04 R1, I still have plenty of room in the RPM.

05_NBP_TL

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My 2001 GSXR 750 would trap 136mph in the 1/4 @ 10.18sec.

I have seen 185mph on the digital tachometer.




That is all.

BEAR-AvHistory

2K2SilverTL-S lots of speculation here because no one knows what your car will do. Any time slips, v-box screen shots, dyno runs, etc to confirm your cars actual whp?

anx1300c

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Speedometers are wildly optimistic at those speeds. I hit 180-181 on my buddy's R1, but was probably only doing lower 170's. 170 is about terminal velocity for that 750, even though they don't give much up to the 1000's in terms of acceleration. Perfect size sportbike, IMO. (Nice bike by the way)

2K2SilverTL-S

It's all good man. Story of my life with this car. Anyway, after conversation with one of my resident forum bike rider friends "Beans" who is a pretty damn good GSX-R 750 rider (you can youtube his runs), he agrees that it was more than a 600 to run with my Vette from a 100 mph roll. You guys are speaking irrelevant stuff about 1/4 mile times, ect...

I know most bikes are hard to beat from a 1st gear roll, 1/4 mile, ect., im not doubting that. But 600s run out of steam after 120 mph. The C6 Vette starts ripping 4th gear at 120 mph-150mph (and continues to pull in 5th gear thereafter). Guys on bikes are so easy to bait into a higher speed roll; just like life, you play to your strength and their weaknesses.

On a side note, the long tube headers really opened the top end on this car. It's amazing what bolt-ons due for the LSx motors. Car is a beast after the 1/4 mile; that's why I always take C6 1/4 miles with a grain of salt.

Rick_TL-S

Wait, so let me get this straight.
A GSX-R 750 raped the shit out of you when you were doing 150mph against a R8, yet in this situation, your friend says this 750 (since it was more than a 600) couldn't keep up with you from 100-150mph?

You're such a liar, dude. Like I said, you'll be telling us you beat liter bikes next. That or you have just absolutely no idea about bikes.

2K2SilverTL-S

Calm down buddy. That one time I posted and admitted I got outran was with over 40 whp and 40 wheel torque less than I have now (stock tune and catback/hot air intake I swapped), with my convertible top down, and my girlfriend having a panic attack in the passenger seat.

This run i posted was with a guy who had a very wide rear tire for drag racing as well which slows those bikes down. Also keep in mind, not everyone is a "superstar bike rider". There are some guys on 600s that will crap on guys on 750's.

I'm confident I could outrun a 600 bike in a high speed roll (esp after 120 mph), but definitely not every 750, esp those with a rider that is 1 of 100 on those on bikes.

anx1300c

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How does a bike that's capable of running well into the 10's @ 130 mph "run out of steam" after 120?

Rick_TL-S

40 less horsepower & a convertible top will not make the difference of whether or not a 750 blow by you at 160mph to it not even being able to keep up from a 100mph roll.

I don't believe that's how the law of physics or what not works.
A large rear tire will not make the difference above, either.

And you don't need to be a superstar. Any rider with a decent amount of experience will leave you behind.
You'd need at least 2 miles worth of road to fully outrun him.

2K2SilverTL-S

I don't know if it's semantics your playing, but they definitely "slow down" since they only top out at 150-155 mph (talking actual speed, not bikes notoriously optimistic speedometers at that speed). It's not like they have a speed governor or something that suddenly halts them at 150 mph.

Rick, since you know everything with nothing, explain how my car with it's recent mods did this to an R6 with a rider?

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/best-kill-date-my-modded-corvette-877811/

And that's not my only encounter i've had with a 600. I've have others but I dont post all the crap I get into on the road. You guys would hate on me even more.

Anyway, I'll treat you guys soon with some GoPro Hero3 Black runs against a 13' GT500 soon. You can be happy and watch my car get beat. If my Vette stays in the same Zip Code it should tell you something.

pohljm

wow! you never hear this crap when people with their slow ass TL grocery getters somehow put bus lengths on G35's G37s Maximas 335's and M3's........ What do you think? people make up stories to entertain you? get over it.

pohljm

physics or what not..............hahaha .

you may not believe it, but thats exactly how the laws of physics work

Ruby

There's plenty of threads with nonsense about TL's beating M3's and such and yes they do get quite a bit of flack for it. Whats so unusual about a TL beating a Maxima or a G35? I go to the strip quite a bit and have out run my fair share of those and have hung with a G37 very respectfully.

pohljm

thats correct! but a modded vette could never touch a 600cc bike from 100 up?????

2K2SilverTL-S

haha....let's see: better acceleration, greater coefficients of drag (air and friction)...

You must have kicked a** in some Ivy League Physics class

2K2SilverTL-S

No man. Not possible under "Rick's laws of physics."

pohljm

Dont think that comment was for me, but number one school in the nation for me!

2K2SilverTL-S

Meant for the person you were responding to

BEAR-AvHistory

Lacking any dyno runs (how do you know you picked up 40whp over X-whp?
) with the cars weight ET & MPH in a quarter mile its possiable to figure out your horsepower close enough for government work.

If your horsepower were known some validity could be added to your claims against the bikes which right now is pretty thin. Even better would be a vid.

Rick_TL-S

Again, could have been a shitty rider, though idk much about R6s.
If you're beating 600s as you claim, then your car is pushing well over 400whp. Even Z06s will have some trouble beating a stock 600cc bike, yet you post on here as if they're no problem.

If your car is as fast your posts lead us all to believe, you should be having zero problems ever running anything with 600whp.
Nope, go play elsewhere. Either OP is a sand baggin son of a bitch or he greatly exaggerates what this car can do. You have bike owners who have posted what the bikes in question can do yet Cougar guy here denies it.

pohljm

The point is no one knows what the bike in question is! Clearly your position is that there is no way in hell that a modded vette can walk any 600cc bike and that is just not true.

swoosh

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man u guys takes things very seriously !!!

Rick/Ken, let it be dude....if the man says he beat him, just let it be....i was riding a 600rr and I never went more than 120 just because I got scared at higher speeds....maybe the guy got scared, or whatever...i dont understand why you have to go out of your way to prove your point? just state what you feel and move on

BEAR-AvHistory

Its because when claims are made that don’t fit generally accepted norms its pretty typical for people to say it did not happen without pictures etc.

IIRC the OP said he had about 400whp but I don’t think any dyno sheets were posted.

Rick_TL-S

I never said a modded Vette can't walk a 600cc bike. I said a Vette making under 400whp will not walk the average 600cc bike; it would need at least 550whp.
As I just said (& this is somewhat supported by a Z06 owner on here), that C6 Z06s have tough times running 600s, & they run around 450whp.

The bottom line is this: It's not impossible, but given the 2 vehicles in question, it's not completely believable either. Generally, a Corvette with the OP's mods will not race a 600 in the way he described, esp. if his only gain from his last race against a bike was 40whp & he got blown by it at 170mph. That much hp just doesn't make up the needed power to run the average 600 sport bike.

If the race did happen, I can only come to the conclusion he raced a novice biker. That's really the only time an underpowered car has a shot. Otherwise, a decent rider is all it takes for the bike to retain its advantage; 100-150mph on these is fast enough to rival cars running well over 700whp.

2K2SilverTL-S

Have you been in my car? Have you seen my car? Why do you have this need to pretend to know everything when you have no personal experience with crap?

If I took you for a ride, I promise you I would change your mind. I've now beat several 600 cc bikes in the triple digits (some stories I have not posted). I am not saying I am going to beat the average 600cc bike with a good rider off a 1st gear roll. In fact, I will admit I will likely lose. BUT IN A HIGH SPEED ROLL, 80 MPH+, a 600 is going to get a rude awakening. It happened now several times. I could give two sh*** about what you think you know since you are Mr. know it all for no validating reason. Stop being jealous man, it's a sin.

Bear, I don't know if your questioning if a C6 can make 40+ whp from long tube headers, a catted or non-catted X, and a good tune. You can go search and find hundreds of dynos of any LSx series motor doing it.

2K2SilverTL-S

Why I will lose a 1st gear roll you say? My car does 30-100 mph in this vid with crappy shifts on my end in 6.5 seconds (based on slow-mo of the original vid on my computer).

A strong 600cc bike with a good rider will do it in 4.5 seconds. Hence, they would own a 1st gear roll and I wouldnt come around till prob 130+ mph. I would lose. You happy to hear that?

2K2SilverTL-S

How about one of my all-time favorites. My Vette with a cat-back and the crappy intake I swapped/stock tune vs. Justinspace's Dad's SRT8 6-speed. I miss gears in the 1st and 3rd run. Do you know how hard it is to put 8 cars on an SRT-8 and miss a gear?

Rick_TL-S

What would you be changing my mind about? How fast your car is? I'm sure it's decently quick, but you're a far cry from anything I call fast.

You're still in what we call the sandbox from my experiences.
I had to laugh at the jealousy part. What is it I'm supposed to be jealous of?

A C6 Corvette? Because those are so rare & uncommon in DFW. That you have exhaust mods & 400hp? Oh my goodness, that sounds so fast.

Come back & try that jealousy card again when you've got 600whp+. Maybe then, I'll consider your car worth something to be jealous of. Until then, a Corvette with exhaust mods are a dime a dozen in DFW. Nothin' special.