Motorsports: History and Legacy Discussion Thread
Couldn't figure out where to post this, so startin' a new thread for all things related to historic F1 racing. Enjoy.
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^ good idea for a thread :thumbsup:
There's so many good F1 pics on Pintrest Favorite pic of Gilles and his 312T4 at Monaco 1979 https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...f763ad9f38.jpg |
Renault RS01, c. 1977
First F1 car to employ turbo-charging. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...bff998de74.jpg |
From Honda's halcyon days... the FW11, c. 1986.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...7f7ac1117b.jpg |
Cockpits and their evolution MP4/2 and MP4/6
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...d1fbca0eed.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...727bfe40b0.jpg |
Very quaint!
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
(Post 16199075)
1990 Ferrari 641
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...691bb0731c.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...d345eaeb17.jpg |
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Originally Posted by F-C
(Post 16199100)
So beautiful, unlike the monstrosities we've had for the last few years.
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I'll have to scan in some of my old F1 pics taken at various tracks.
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^ I was trying to get three other friend's to invest $100k each to buy that car in ~2000.
It was in the UK, and for sale at $400k, I called and emailed the owners a few times and was trying to figure how to get it to the states with all the red tape and paperwork. I was a amateur and new to trying to buy a used F1 car, and only my brother offered up so it didn't work out. |
Wow. According to the story, it sold at auction for 1 million pounds sterling in 2015.
You guys could've made a cool profit of US$1 million over 15 years! Wonder what it will go for this time round? |
Originally Posted by Chief F1 Fan
(Post 16200064)
I'll have to scan in some of my old F1 pics taken at various tracks.
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I loved this pass, Mika the big kahuna |
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https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...640472077f.jpg
Tyrrell 001 launch 1970, amazing how few people were on a F1 team in that period. Red shirt : Derek Gardner designer/engineer White driving suit : Jackie Stewart driver Black overalls : Ken Tyrrell team owner/manager Seven mechanics in blue overalls. Man, it was so simple back then. |
Originally Posted by Legend2TL
(Post 16204435)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...640472077f.jpg
Tyrrell 001 launch 1970, amazing how few people were on a F1 team in that period. Red shirt : Derek Gardner designer/engineer White driving suit : Jackie Stewart driver Black overalls : Ken Tyrrell team owner/manager Seven mechanics in blue overalls. Man, it was so simple back then. Cars also seemed much more interesting then today's. |
Originally Posted by F-C
(Post 16204773)
Cars also seemed much more interesting then today's.
Here's Gardner with the 001 model built out of plywood at the "wood shed". https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...c5393ca079.jpg Here's the old Tyrrell "wood shed" where the cars were fabricated and rebuilt after races. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...33a9e86ffd.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...92f52a333a.jpg Enzo Ferrari was furious that these English teams (Tyrrell, Lotus, McLaren, Williams) were able to beat his cars with a fraction of the resources and budgets Ferrari had including his own Fiorano track. By the late 70's F1 was getting more serious as here's Frank Williams and Patrick Head in their first Williams facility in Grove which was a old carpet factory. It was more space than they needed but Williams got a great deal on it. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...e9df1ba51c.jpg Yeah the 70's period was very unique and such a cultural impact to the sport as there was still a seat of pants approach to everything. Tyrrell changed with the times, but he was unable to match the success of the early/mid 70's. I saw him in the garages at the Detroit Grand Prix a few times, tall guy with a big toothy smile. Although no longer a front running team, you could tell from his enthusiasm debriefing his drivers (Alberetto) that he enjoyed being part of the circus. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...6869c70867.jpg |
Just finished watching the 2017 BBC documentary Williams .... Highly recommended if you haven't already seen it.
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^ yeah watched it. Excellent documentary.
FWIW, the 6 wheel Tyrrell P34 original schematic. Wheelbase 'About 95" ' :rofl: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...a0cf18bedd.jpg |
Originally Posted by nanxun
(Post 16201908)
Wow. According to the story, it sold at auction for 1 million pounds sterling in 2015.
You guys could've made a cool profit of US$1 million over 15 years! Wonder what it will go for this time round? This time, I'm guessing it will go for close to 1.5m UK pounds. |
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USGP warm-up: Mario Andretti
40 years ago since Mario was F1 champion. |
RRDC Evening with Mario Andretti - Full Interview
Great interview of Mario by Bobby Rahal Go to 25:00 and hear the pretty funny story on how Mario driving a brand new Hertz rental car into the beach in Daytona. :rofl: Go to 7:00 to see how Mario and Colin Chapman connected. |
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/clark-amon-and-the-speculation-that-rules-motorsport-history-1020291/
As we approach the 50th anniversary of Jimmy Clark's death, David Malsher examines what might have been for the brilliant Scot and what should have been for Chris Amon in 1968. But first, a few more hypotheses from F1 and IndyCar history… https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...1ec7dbf0ef.jpg |
Detroit GP Scans
In The Garage: Detroit GP Scans
Found these blog with some old pics from 1983-84 Detroit Grand Prix. The 83 race was important as the last Ford Cosworth win, and the top three finishers were all Cosworth. And last win for Tyrrell racing, Piquet in the Mickey Mouse t-shirt is amusing https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...6c387f9cfe.jpg |
Car Collections: F1 Champion Jody Scheckter
Car Collections: F1 Champion Jody Scheckter - Autoweb
Taking a break at work today and found this cool article on 1979 F1 champ Jody Schecker's F1 car collection. He kept many of the F1 cars he drove, pretty amazing collection. Also quite a entrepreneur he started two successful companies after he retired from racing. Another random trivia is he was close to his Ferrari teammate Gilles Villeneuve. So much so after Gilles death Jody helped his widow Joanna with the family's financial investments which helped out the Villeneuve family alot. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...b93e37a854.jpg Good interview with Jody |
McLaren MP4/4: The launch of a legend
McLaren MP4/4 - The launch of a legend
30 years ago, the McLaren MP4/4 ruled the 1988 season winning 15 of 16 races. Interesting backstory of it's first and only limited test outing at Imola in preseason testing, before the first race. |
Since I posted Jody Scheckter recently, something you rarely if ever see these days is WAG's timing their husband's and b/f's laps.
Here's Jody's 1st wife Pamela timing him at Tyrrell sometime in the mid-70's. Notice the hearing protection as well. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/acurazi...d6ea150569.jpg |
Originally Posted by Legend2TL
(Post 16210779)
In The Garage: Detroit GP Scans
Found these blog with some old pics from 1983-84 Detroit Grand Prix. The 83 race was important as the last Ford Cosworth win, and the top three finishers were all Cosworth. And last win for Tyrrell racing, Piquet in the Mickey Mouse t-shirt is amusing |
Originally Posted by F-C
(Post 16213473)
Ford Cosworth won plenty of races after that, including Schumacher's world champion Benetton. You probably mean the last won for the DFV engine.
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Recent history ....
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Drive Like Schumacher In His Actual Benetton-Ford B192
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:thumbsup::toocool:
Love that livery .... |
Originally Posted by nanxun
(Post 16222628)
:thumbsup::toocool:
Love that livery .... He finished 2nd in that race with this car, which lacked a semi-auto gearbox and far less power than the McLaren/Honda's and Williams/Renaults. |
Benetton. My favorite team ever.
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There was only one Gilles, amazing driver and personality
Some very interesting Gilles stories from Peter Windsor |
https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...ory-jim-clark/
BRM's H16 was essentially two 180-degree V8s stacked on top of each other. It's no surprise it didn't work.For the 1966 F1 season, maximum engine displacement was increased from 1.5 liters to 3.0 liters. British engine builder BRM had success with its 1.5-liter V8s, but it decided to adapt to the 3.0-liter regulations in the oddest way possible, sinking Team Lotus's hopes for a championship in the process. This is the strange story of the BRM H16.Sometimes the "H" designation is used to signify a flat engine, but BRM's H16 was no flat-sixteen. As Drivetribe explains in this video on Jim Clark's 43, the engine was two 180-degree V8s (derived from BRM's 1.5-liter) sat on top of each other. Essentially, it was two engines, each with its own crankshaft, stacked on top of one another and geared together. It also had eight camshafts. BRM's engineers figured that by taking a proven engine design and quite literally doubling it, they'd have a hit on their hands. The BRM H16 made around 420 hp, but it was much heavier than any of the V8s and V12s on the grid, and 16 cylinders meant that it required a lot of fuel and fluids to run. It wasn't reliable, either, only managing to finish one race, the 1966 US Grand Prix at Watkins Glen. That Jim Clark managed to win that race was a testament to his incredible sense of mechanical sympathy. BRM seems to have given up on the H16 for the 1967 season, refocusing its efforts on more-traditional V8s and V12s. Lotus switched to Cosworth engines that year, with the Ford-badged DFV 3.0-liter V8, which went on to become the most successful F1 engine of all time. So, the Lotus 43 and the BRM H16 was a failure, but a truly fascinating failure. Engine design doesn't really get much crazier, and to Drivetribe's Michael Fernie, the story of the 43 and the H16 is a perfect way to encapsulate Jim Clark's genius. Even when saddled with sub-par equipment, the Scottish legend could shine. https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod...1529434410.png |
Pretty good web page on Alain Prost and lots of quotes.
Alain Prost ? a strategy professor
“Another big part of my success is that I hated not to finish a race”. According to Bernie Ecclestone Prost has been the best Formula 1 driver of all time: "Michael (Schumacher) had many advantages, a strong team and team mates who helped him. And for a time, it was the same for Senna as well. Prost, instead, has never enjoyed these privileges. He has always had competitive team mates, like Senna. Therefore, even though it’s hard to choose, I’d say Prost”. |
2017 Ron Dennis interview (long but worth watching)
Classic Ronspeak at it's best.
Great interview, one of the most brilliant F1 team principals of all time. Go to 48m minutes where he talks about meeting up with John Barnard |
Thanks for sharing.
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Others shown include Nicola Larini, Alessandro Nannini, Gerhard Berger, Johnny Herbert and Ricardo Patrese. Oh, and SENNA of course! He was so obvious I didn't think I really needed to point him out but didn't want to give the wrong impression for excluding his name.
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Chief, thanks for posting. Great era for racing
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Agreed. V12's, V10's, V8's were awesome then.
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Oh yeah, and Satoru Nakajima is in there too. Of those drivers, does anyone remember which one 1) hit a ground hog and 2). landed his car on top of another?
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