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Replacement race?
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I won't miss that race venue this year. Screw it.
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http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...1/3/11829.html


Six colour codes to differentiate Pirelli tyres


Italian tyre manufacturers Pirelli, embarking on the first season of a three-year agreement to supply Formula One, have revealed the colours that will distinguish the six different types of rubber that will be used throughout 2011.

Each type will carry its own distinct colouring on the Pirelli and PZero logos affixed to the sidewall. Under the sport's rules, only two compounds of slick tyre - known as the prime and the option - will be used for each race. In addition to this, intermediate and wet tyres can be fitted if it rains.

The six colours are as follows:
Wet - orange
Intermediate - light blue
Super soft - red
Soft - yellow
Medium - white
Hard - silver

In order to make the differences between the prime and option tyre more pronounced, Pirelli's strategy is to offer a step of at least one compound between the tyres nominated for each race. If the track conditions require it though, this strategy may be revised.

The prime and option tyres for the first three Grands Prix of the year - Australia, Malaysia and China - will be hard and soft compounds, meaning that silver and yellow tyres will be first to make an appearance in Melbourne.

"We' re very excited by the prospect of returning to Formula One for the first time in 20 years, and we're aiming to be a proactive and colourful partner in Formula One,” commented Pirelli's Motorsport Director Paul Hembery. “So what better way to symbolise this than a brightly coloured selection of Pirelli logos to run on the sidewalls? These will enable both live and television audiences to tell at a glance who is on what compounds, which will be vital knowledge as tyres are set to form a key part of race strategy this year."

Pirelli is no stranger to brightly-coloured tyres: when the firm was previously involved in Formula One, the Benetton team was supplied with multi-coloured rubber to run as part of their ‘United Colors’ campaign back in 1986.
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Australia Practice 1

POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:26.831
2. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:27.158
3. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:27.749
4. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:28.152
5. Rubens Barrichello Brazil Williams-Cosworth 1:28.430
6. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:28.440
7. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:28.483
8. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:28.690
9. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:28.725
10. Vitaly Petrov Russia Renault 1:28.765
11. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:28.842
12. Nick Heidfeld Germany Renault 1:28.928
13. Adrian Sutil Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:29.314
14. Sebastien Buemi Switzerland Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:29.328
15. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Cosworth 1:29.403
16. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:29.468
17. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:29.643
18. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:31.002
19. Jarno Trulli Italy Lotus-Renault 1:32.428
20. Jerome d'Ambrosio Belgium Virgin-Cosworth 1:35.282
21. Timo Glock Germany Virgin-Cosworth 1:35.289
22. Narun Chandhok India Lotus-Renault No Time
23. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth No Time
24. Vitantonio Liuzzi Italy HRT-Cosworth No Time
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Australia Practice 2

POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:25.854
2. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:25.986
3. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:26.001
4. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:26.014
5. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:26.283
6. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:26.590
7. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:26.789
8. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:27.101
9. Rubens Barrichello Brazil Williams-Cosworth 1:27.280
10. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:27.448
11. Jaime Alguersuari Spain Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:27.525
12. Vitaly Petrov Russia Renault 1:27.528
13. Nick Heidfeld Germany Renault 1:27.536
14. Sebastien Buemi Switzerland Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:27.697
15. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:28.095
16. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1:28.376
17. Adrian Sutil Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:28.583
18. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Cosworth 1:29.386
19. Jarno Trulli Italy Lotus-Renault 1:30.829
20. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:30.912
21. Jerome d'Ambrosio Belgium Virgin-Cosworth 1:32.106
22. Timo Glock Germany Virgin-Cosworth 1:32.135
23. Vitantonio Liuzzi Italy HRT-Cosworth No Time
24. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth No Time
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Seems like the new aero package on the Mercedes isn't that effective after all.
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Odds on HRT qualifying? So far, the team has run only one lap.
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teams said they might expect almost 4 pit stops a race apparently these tires degrade fast!

edit: removing my clue as to why i picked my pick haha will post it later when submissions are finalized

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Originally Posted by speedemon90
teams said they might expect almost 4 pit stops a race apparently these tires degrade fast!

edit: removing my clue as to why i picked my pick haha will post it later when submissions are finalized
I thought they said that the tires looked pretty good after practice today.
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ohh did they, haha well i did read an article that was before practice. Hmm i should read up again. haha
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you're right. Dammit. Haha. My strategy was based on the fact that button is the best at handling tires.
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Vettel did an amazing job at quali again...

Hamilton splitting up the front row from being red bull

Lets go Hamilton!
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Oz Qualifying

Times
01. Sebastian Vettel, Germany, Red Bull, 1:23.529
2. Lewis Hamilton, Britain, McLaren, 1:24.307
3. Mark Webber, Australia, Red Bull, 1:24.395
4. Jenson Button, Britain, McLaren, 1:24.799
5. Fernando Alonso, Spain, Ferrari, 1:24.974
6. Vitaly Petrov, Russia, Renault, 1:25.247
7. Nico Rosberg, Germany, Mercedes, 1:25.421
8. Felipe Massa, Brazil, Ferrari, 1:25.599
9. Kamui Kobayashi, Japan, Sauber, 1:25.626
10. Sebastien Buemi, Switzerland, Toro Rosso, 1:27.066
Eliminated after second session
11. Michael Schumacher, Germany, Mercedes, 1:25.971
12. Jaime Alguersuari, Spain, Toro Rosso, 1:26.103
13. Sergio Perez, Mexico, Sauber, 1:26.108
14. Paul Di Resta, Britain, Force India, 1:26.739
15. Pastor Maldonado, Venezuela, Williams, 1:26.768
16. Adrian Sutil, Germany, Force India, 1:31.407
17. Rubens Barrichello, Brazil, Williams, no time set
Eliminated after first session
18. Nick Heidfeld, Germany, Renault, 1:27.239
19. Heikki Kovalainen, Finland, Lotus, 1:29.254
20. Jarno Trulli, Italy, Lotus, 1:29.342
21. Timo Glock, Germany, Virgin, 1:29.858
22. Jerome d'Ambrosio, Belgium, Virgin, 1:30.822
23. Vitantonio Liuzzi, Italy, Hispania, 1:32.978
24. Narain Karthikeyan, India, Hispania, 1:34.293

Looks like I was right, HRT didn't qualify for the race.

Broadcaster James Allen, conducting the TV unilateral post-qualifying interviews in Australia said to Vettel: "Half a second faster than last year's pole position and you didn't even use the KERS button!"

Vettel's answer did not address the KERS question but later, in the conference for the written media the world champion was asked if it was correct he had not been using KERS.

"We didn't use it in qualifying, that's correct," he said.

Pushed as to why, he added: "Not fully charged." Which may have been the truth but not the whole truth.

The sobering reality for the rest was that, with his pole position margin to second-placed Lewis Hamilton 0.78s as things stood, if Vettel had used KERS it stood to be a full second or more. The pressing question, of course, was why Red Bull hadn't used it. And whether they would be vulnerable off the startline in the race?

Webber did not elaborate. "We didn't run it today for reasons we will keep inside the team," he said.

It has since emerged that the Red Bulls may only be fitted with a very small KERS intended to solve problems of vulnerability on the opening lap. Much of the weight and bulk of the other systems surround the rapid recharge battery packs that have to be run.

As McLaren's Martin Whitmarsh explained, they in themselves present cooling problems, which afflicted Hamilton, who finished his Melbourne qualifying lap with 40% of his KERS capacity unused.

"Lewis had a KERS hybrid failure which was actually a bit of a double whammy - not only do you lose the boost but it changes the brake balance too," Whitmarsh explained. There was a problem with the cooling system and if that happens the KERS batteries can cook themselves and go bang, so there's a safety mechanism that shuts it off."

The Red Bulls, meanwhile, may be fitted with a much smaller battery that is trickle charged and can only be used the once, most logically on the opening lap to defend against other cars with KERS systems. That would explain why there was no evidence of KERS being deployed by Red Bull in qualifying. It could be a neat and logical step for a team that expected its cars to start races at the front, but which preferred to do without the weight, packaging and aerodynamic compromises associated with a full-blown KERS package.
Very interesting. Let's see if this theory is correct if Red Bull only use KERS for the start of the race.
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They didnt even use KERS at the start of the race. Well at least Webber didn't.

Good race, I fell asleep for the last 10 laps though lol. I'll probably watch it later today. The fights between Massa and Button were good, up till Button decided to just cut the track and ruin my pick!

I hope Vettel wont be this dominant each race. Maybe some tracks Hamilton can give a good fight.
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I had to DL the race, but on the BBC coverage they were interviewing someone from red bull and he said after friday practice they took the KERS system out of the car.
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I think the teams are in trouble if RB isnt even using KERS and they are this far ahead and improve as the season goes. Id like to know why they have the system and arent using it. It looks like LH is the only one that can run with them right now.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I think the teams are in trouble if RB isnt even using KERS and they are this far ahead and improve as the season goes. Id like to know why they have the system and arent using it. It looks like LH is the only one that can run with them right now.
The guy I saw interview at the end of the BBC coverage said Adrian Newey wouldn't change the aerodynamics of the chassis to accommodate the KERS system, so they were forced to design a system to fit in the space he left. Apparently it's benefits are not enough to warrant the extra weight and the reliability of the KERS system they designed has not been high enough to warrant running it.
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I think they mentioned that Lotus, Virgin, and HRT are not running KERS. So it's not mandatory.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I think the teams are in trouble if RB isnt even using KERS and they are this far ahead and improve as the season goes. Id like to know why they have the system and arent using it. It looks like LH is the only one that can run with them right now.
I was like half asleep during the end of the race but did lewis hamilton have any trouble with his KERS system? I remember that being talked about but i dunno if that was practice quali or race day.

Also I dont think its Red Bull. Its just Vettel. Mark Webber may get his podium and there may be a few 1-2 RB, but unless Vettel runs into problems, this may be a fight for 2nd between the next top 4 drivers. I kinda hope Mclaren and Ferrari catch up to RedBull.
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Originally Posted by speedemon90
I was like half asleep during the end of the race but did lewis hamilton have any trouble with his KERS system? I remember that being talked about but i dunno if that was practice quali or race day.

Also I dont think its Red Bull. Its just Vettel. Mark Webber may get his podium and there may be a few 1-2 RB, but unless Vettel runs into problems, this may be a fight for 2nd between the next top 4 drivers. I kinda hope Mclaren and Ferrari catch up to RedBull.
Hamilton's KERS was working fine, or at least nothing was reported. However, he busted his undertray for at least half the race. TBH, I think Vettel was just cruising and wasn't even trying today. The biggest dissapointment was probably Ferrari. They expected to beat McLaren especially after winter testing.
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Hamilton's KERS was working fine, or at least nothing was reported. However, he busted his undertray for at least half the race. TBH, I think Vettel was just cruising and wasn't even trying today. The biggest dissapointment was probably Ferrari. They expected to beat McLaren especially after winter testing.
after he broke the undertray he wasnt able to keep pace like he was earlier. Any word on if they are going to penalize him? Im sure more than allowed was worn down?
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No word on Hamilton being penalized so, I doubt it will happen. The regulations allow the stewards to have discretion if the plank is worn down by accident.
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Originally Posted by F-C
No word on Hamilton being penalized so, I doubt it will happen. The regulations allow the stewards to have discretion if the plank is worn down by accident.
I've been wondering about this subject. During the race, Coulthard spoke about a couple of incidents, where the under tray was worn due to accident, yet the drivers were still given a penalty. One of the incidents he was the driver.
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Originally Posted by CanopyFlyer
I've been wondering about this subject. During the race, Coulthard spoke about a couple of incidents, where the under tray was worn due to accident, yet the drivers were still given a penalty. One of the incidents he was the driver.
The stewards probably see if the plank wear is consistent with an accident. It was pretty obvious that Hamilton's damaged under tray would have a certain type of damage, since only the front was dragging on the ground.
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I didn't see the race but if the plank was hanging from the front then it wasn't giving him any aero or ride height advantanges was it?
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Originally Posted by Chief F1 Fan
I didn't see the race but if the plank was hanging from the front then it wasn't giving him any aero or ride height advantanges was it?
The way it was hanging, it was definitely not giving him an advantage.
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^^If anything it was a pretty huge detriment, considering where it was hanging is probably the 2nd or 1st most important part of the car, from a aerodynamics perspective. I won't go on to espouse Hamilton's skill as a driver, my picking him to win the WDC does that, but it is fairly impressive that he finished 2nd.

From some of the camera shots, it looked like the tray was hanging down by several inches. Although I wonder if aerodynamic forces pushed it back up at high speed, and at low speeds it wasn't that big of a deal to have it hanging. That would help explain Hamilton being able to finish 2nd.
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Originally Posted by CanopyFlyer
^^If anything it was a pretty huge detriment, considering where it was hanging is probably the 2nd or 1st most important part of the car, from a aerodynamics perspective. I won't go on to espouse Hamilton's skill as a driver, my picking him to win the WDC does that, but it is fairly impressive that he finished 2nd.

From some of the camera shots, it looked like the tray was hanging down by several inches. Although I wonder if aerodynamic forces pushed it back up at high speed, and at low speeds it wasn't that big of a deal to have it hanging. That would help explain Hamilton being able to finish 2nd.
well I never saw this haha, guess I should be more awake for the next race or just record it and watch while I'm wide awake

But I agree with you on Hamiltons driving skill. Not only is he my favorite, I think he is arguably the best driver out there. I wonder how he would do behind a RB chassis

Him and vettel I think are the top two drivers of F1.

Ohh also amazing race by petrov! He did amazing and got 3rd. I wonder how kubica would have done

I honestly thought Ferrari would have started off the season better, guess not.

Props to Mclaren, since their testings were kinda bad.
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Season to end in December???

The 2011 season could end with a back-to-back double header in the Arabian peninsula, according to the latest reports.

Even though the turmoil in Bahrain is still ongoing, and the FIA's May deadline for a race rescheduling has entered its final month, the reports say moves are afoot to reshuffle the end of the calendar.

Italiaracing said the most likely scenario now for a rescheduled Bahrain Grand Prix would also involve rescheduling November's nearby Abu Dhabi race.

The report said the Yas Marina event could be pushed back to December, with Brazil's currently season-ending date brought forward to close the gap.

The final two calendar stops could then be Abu Dhabi and Bahrain, separated on the map by mere hundreds of kilometers, run back-to-back.

"We'll have a look and see what we can do, how we can swap things round a bit," Bernie Ecclestone said last month. "Maybe we can change with Brazil or something like that."

In February, Abu Dhabi motor federation president Mohammed ben Sulayem said Yas Marina was open to helping Bahrain find a rescheduled date in 2011.

"Finding time in the calendar is feasible," he said.

"Originally, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain agreed to have a big separation on the calendar to make the most of the exposure that a Grand Prix brings. However, this is an emergency and in an emergency we need to work together," he added.

Italiaracing, however, said the teams might be reluctant to see the schedule extended into December.
That's crazy. Bernie will probably use this to justify that a 25 race schedule is feasible.
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Malaysia Practice 1

Times
01. Mark Webber Red Bull 1:37.651 22 laps
02. Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:39.316 16 laps
03. Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:39.791 29 laps
04. Nico Hulkenberg Force India F1 1:40.377 23 laps
05. Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:40.443 31 laps
06. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:40.453 22 laps
07. Nick Heidfeld Renault 1:40.525 6 laps
08. Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:40.581 21 laps
09. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:40.601 23 laps
10. Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:40.646 29 laps
11. Adrian Sutil Force India F1 1:40.734 21 laps
12. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1:40.748 23 laps
13. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1:40.770 24 laps
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1:40.872 27 laps
15. Jenson Button McLaren 1:40.927 16 laps
16. Jarno Trulli Team Lotus 1:41.620 21 laps
17. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:41.627 18 laps
18. Sergio Perez Sauber 1:41.642 24 laps
19. Timo Glock Virgin Racing 1:42.154 18 laps
20. Jerome d' Ambrosio Virgin Racing 1:42.540 20 laps
21. Davide Valsecchi Team Lotus 1:44.054 18 laps
22. Vitantonio Liuzzi Hispania 1:45.228 20 laps
23. Narain Karthikeyan Hispania 1:46.267 10 laps
24. Vitaly Petrov Renault 01:47.932 4 laps
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Malaysia Practice 2

Times
01. Mark Webber Red Bull 1:36.876 24 laps
02. Jenson Button McLaren 1:36.881 30 laps
03. Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:37.010 23 laps
04. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:37.090 30 laps
05. Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:38.088 26 laps
06. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:38.089 31 laps
07. Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:38.565 25 laps
08. Nick Heidfeld Renault 1:38.570 16 laps
09. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:38.583 27 laps
10. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1:38.846 31 laps
11. Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:38.968 25 laps
12. Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:39.187 30 laps
13. Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:39.267 17 laps
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1:39.398 29 laps
15. Sergio Perez Sauber 1:39.603 34 laps
16. Paul di Resta Force India 1:39.625 31 laps
17. Adrian Sutil Force India 1:39.809 28 laps
18. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso 1:40.115 31 laps
19. Timo Glock Virgin Racing 1:40.866 24 laps
20. Jarno Trulli Team Lotus 1:41.890 19 laps
21. Narain Karthikeyan Hispania 1:43.197 15 laps
22. Vitantonio Liuzzi Hispania 1:43.991 14 laps
23. Heikki Kovalainen Team Lotus 1:44.886 4 laps
24. Jerome d' Ambrosio Virgin Racing no time
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I think i made a mistake ... I hope not Q1 over with vettel pretty far down. I know it doesnt mean anything but vettel is usually on the top either way
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60% chance of rain for the race.
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Rain <- that will make the race a lot more interesting to watch.
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anyone gonna watch live??
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Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
Rain <- that will make the race a lot more interesting to watch.
My prediction, if it rains, the Red Bulls will be even more dominant.

Originally Posted by speedemon90
anyone gonna watch live??
David Hobbs?
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I dunno, Hamilton is really good in the rain...
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Vettel is just running away right now. Just wait until Red Bull fixes their KERS.
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Originally Posted by F-C
Vettel is just running away right now. Just wait until Red Bull fixes their KERS.
Yea it looks like Vettel will just be at the top each time. It gets me wondering when Webber is going to show up, no podium for him yet. I honestly hope Mclaren or some other team catches up to Red Bull. Either way its interesting to think who will get second in the championship Here's to hope Vettel's car reliability sucks!

And wtf is up with Ferrari, eversince they got these new cars with slicks, they've been slacking.

Anyone else think that Vettel pretty much holds back a lot of the race?


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