Here is the Civic shifter:

 

Civic?

 

Sorry Acura, unless the driving dynamics is great I am underwhelmed. Too much of Civic, and the front/rear do not sing in the same tune as the Civic middle section. TLX looks so much cohesive in comparison. Let's move on to Integra Type-S, perhaps the differentiation will work better there.

 

I knew it...Acura strikes again...smh....

 

Just once I wish they could give as a product that's a hit in all departments. Offering the 6MT and LSD is a big plus, they deserve credit for that, and the 1.5T was expected so that holds serve, but I had hopes the car would look better. To me it looks like a mishmash between the TLX, CLA, Genesis Coupe, and dare I say one of those SUV "coupes". I understand there's only so much they can do since this is based on the Civic "Hatchback", but it's still disappointing after seeing how some of the renders looked.

 

I think it was a mistake to call it the Integra IF they don't have a 2-door option at least! Plus there really isn't any design tying it back to the old Integras except the embossed "Integra" logo on the bumpers. I think they definitely missed a chance to create something more exciting as I think it would look pretty good as a 2-door too!
Check out my video as I do some front redesign with old Integra inspiration ( )

 

I think they could have gotten away with it if they gave the back half of the car a steeper rake to make it more coupe-like, like the A5 Sportback. Unfortunately, the sheetmetal from the side profile looks too much like the Civic "Hatchback".

 

This car will be best in its class. Should be fantastic with the ELS 3d surround for a stereo and the lsd with manual.

 

I'm with you. I was thoroughly expecting (and quasi-wanting) an updated ILX with more utility due to a liftback design, but this prototype is very underwhelming in the looks department, which is the opposite of how I felt about the TLX Type S concept.

Still need to see the Type S version though before writing off this Integra. Maybe they'll shock us and overdeliver instead of underdeliver

 

This is what Im hoping.

 

as previous owner of DC2-R & DC5-S, this is insult to even carry name integra.
Bloated pig would be what it is.

this is why i left honda/acura and haven't looked back.

 

I think it would have been fine if they called it the ILX. The biggest mistep is they called it an Integra but it seems to be lacking any of the soul of the old Integras.

 

Now that we have more info, I'm moderately excited. I've often thought that my perfect car would be a more luxurious Civic Si, and this is basically it, with a hatch no less. I'm also leaning toward AT, so I hope this gets a good one, preferably the 8DCT from the ILX. It just better not be a CVT. That would force me into the 6MT or something else. The more I think about this, the more I think it would be great for me--provided I don't go electric.

I'm not crazy about the styling, but it does look great from the rear three quarter view and it might look better in colors other than yellow. I've decided to reserve judgment on that until I see more.

 

Acura has been so close to earning some of my money these days but every product just seems like it's not quite there. TLX redesign is fantastic IMO but the Type S is just cut corners and compromise, can't get the full suite of advance features, can't match the performance of anything around that price point, can't even reach feature/luxury parity with the Accord. Cancelled my TLX preorder twice Interest was resparked when the Integra was announced, oh the ILX is gone, is this going to be a unique platform and not just a rebadged Civic?! Maybe a hybrid powertrain? Maybe a coupe?!?! Oh.. rebadged Civic hatch.. fine for the ILX but using the Integra name was just a BS marketing move. Next we will see ads of it drifting on the track smh...

Stick a fork in it, we got another dud.

 

 

They should have just called it the ILX but it will likely be a good car.

 

This is so exciting! If the new Civic gets such rave reviews (and Savage Geese is great!), I can't wait to see what the new Integra will be like! Looks are very subjective, and I happen to think that the new Integra looks absolutely incredible, esp from the back. I have always wished that Acura would have a sport wagon (dream on!) but perhaps a 5 door hatchback is the closest that we would get to having a sport wagon :-)

 

I do have some hope that the Integra's automatic will be the excellent 8DCT, because Honda has built a design study pairing the 1.5T with the 8DCT, and even let journalists drive it back in 2017. The possibility has been lodged in my mind since then, and I thought we might see the 8DCT on the new Si. That clearly isn't happening, but the 8DCT would be perfect for the Integra. I would expect the DCT to have a taller top gear than the 6MT, in which case it could easily produce 40 mpg on the highway considering the Civic Si is at 37, provided the Integra's 1.5T isn't tuned for more power than the Si's.

https://carbuzz.com/news/honda-may-d...favor-of-a-dct

 

I'm excited to see more details about this car as they come out. While not a fan of the yellow/graphiced-up prototype, the overall styling is good, and the underlying platform has gotten very good reviews. With a little Acura refinement, a little more HP and especially a Type S version (even if it's "only" 252 or 272 HP), this could be an outstanding choice in its segment. Acura -- please keep the 6MT on the Type S version, whatever you do!

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...ive-door-only/

Why the New Acura Integra Had to Be a 5-Door

Acura wanted a new Integra coupe, but it just wasn't possible.


By Chris Perkins
Nov 22, 2021
AcuraThe new Acura Integra is the most divisive car to launch in recent memory. Some are happy there's a new affordable turbo manual sport-compact, but for every 1 of those people, there seems to be at least 2 mad that A) the design doesn't nod to previous generations, B) it's not a hardcore Type R, C) it's not a coupe, and D) all of the above. In response to these points, design is subjective, a Type S likely with Civic Type R underpinnings is coming, and a 3-door just wasn't possible. But not for lack of trying, per Acura head Jon Ikeda.


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Acura's Integra Type R Is Special in Every Sense"The pricing is what we're looking at, and the entry point, and market behavior more than anything. And the numbers just don't play out," Ikeda told R&T at a preview of the new Integra in California last week. "We were trying the hardest to the very end with the manual Civic Si Coupe, and if we had that car [as a base], maybe we could have thought about something else, too. But the more you do things that aren't there, the more it gets out of the zone of what people can afford."

The Civic coupe was discontinued for the car's 11th-generation likely due to low sales of the previous 2-door. The new Integra is based on the Civic—as is the case with all previous Integras—and that limits what Acura can do with this 1. Ikeda is saying an Integra coupe is possible without a 2-door Civic to base it on, but it'd be quite expensive. Given that consumers have widely abandoned coupes, an expensive Integra 3-door would quite obviously be a losing proposition.

A 1994 Integra GS-R sedan. HondaIn today's world, where American consumers have largely moved to crossovers, offering a new 5-door liftback is still a bold move. Beyond the precedent set by 4- and 5-door versions of the 1st 3 generations of Integra, Ikeda felt it important to make the Integra a hatchback for the extra versatility it brings. Millennials especially want to be able to pack their car with gear for weekend adventures with friends, and Ikeda believes this broadens the car's appeal.

"I really believe the fact that we stuck with the hatch and the versatility that it brings is... we might be able to get a little bit more than just what the segment is putting out right now," Ikeda said. "We need to be able to reach with this car beyond our segment."

If you're doubting the Integra's credentials, Ikeda points out that at the heart of every Integra is a great Civic, which Honda has now. He also tells us that the car's chief engineer owned 2 older Integras. "I said, 'Why did you buy an Integra?' Ikeda recalled. "He said, 'It was a very cool car and I was young and I was excited.' I said, 'Well, you know all the ingredients already. Just make that, because that's what it is.'"

 

Anybody hurt in that wreck?

 

Acura is tying the Integra name onto a dying breed. Even the juggernaut 3-series sold 140K as recently as 2015 and now sits at 37K so far in 2021 (source). Comparably, the X3 sold 32K in 2015 and is now at 54K through 2021. RDX is 55K so far in 2021; the ILX is 12.5K. Nobody is buying this entry level, non-electric/hybrid luxury vehicle any longer. The electric Tesla Model 3 is where the market is at (206.5K sales last year).

The serious lack of buzz on this board is a pure indication of this...and as much as we care, the young people that Acura is targeting don't give a crap about the Integra name.

 

That's a valid point, but because the Integra is essentially a modified Civic, the development costs have to be relatively low. So, Acura won't need astronomical sales for it to be profitable. Plus, from perusing the Civic forums, it seems several enthusiasts were disappointed that the new Civic Si wasn't available with a hatch--but now it is, for only a few grand more than a Civic Sport Touring hatch.

As a result, I think the Integra could do well because it will occupy two segments: entry-level near luxury and sport compact hatch. It could sell to folks who previously bought the ILX, and to some who might otherwise go with a GTI. It will probably cannibalize some Civic Si sales, but even that's a win for Honda/Acura because presumably the margins will be higher on the more expensive Integra.

But the future clearly belongs to electrics like the Model 3 you mention, and, even acknowledging there's undoubtedly a lot we don't know about, Honda and Acura seem way behind on electrification. That's odd, because they were ahead of the curve with the RLX and NSX hybrids. (BTW, I've driven the Model 3 twice, and it's great. I've been seriously considering one.)

 

I understand your take and truly hope that the Integra does well. I'm in my 40s and although I never had an Integra (I've pretty much had every other Acura - ha), I had several friends who did and spent a lot of time in them. I'm not crazy about Acura pulling the Integra name out of the 'ol magic bag and slapping it on a Civic Si rehash. Yes I know that's basically what it was previously, but it's not 1990 any more and the market (as we stated) has moved on to electrification. If Honda made a Model 3 competitor and then called it the Integra, game on.

 

Yes, that would have been cool, and Acura should be in the Model 3 space. Along those lines, I wonder whether Acura will resurrect the Legend name for a flagship electric sedan. The name would fit perfectly, as it would signal a new era for Acura just as the original Legend launched the first era of the brand (along with the Integra).

Similarly, for a few years I've thought Honda should bring back the Element as an electric. That form factor and style seem perfect for electrification, and the name really works.

 

Acura was sloppy with this, they should have just kept the ILX name. Bringing back old name plates has only really been effectively done by US auto makers like with the Camero, 2005+ Mustang, Dodge Challenger. While those cars don't interest me, they did a good job of keeping the old design cues and makes it easily recognizable. The new Integra doesn't have any style that makes you connect it with the old Integra at all.

It will likely still be a good car but the naming and marketing around it was a big fail.

I know it's not realistic but would love is Acura would take the 2001 Integra and NSX designs, fix common issues, and release them as "Integra Classic" and "NSX Classic". I wish Toyota would have done this with the Supra as well, but then everyone is like, "dur, safety and emissions!"

If the NES Classic sold and the Genesis Mini sold, a rerelease of the 2001 Integra Type R with common issues like rear saggy bumper fixed and rear wheel well rust prevention would sell, at least I'd buy it.

 

They had to ditch the ILX name. There's so much negative brand equity built into that name. It also doesn't help that for years the ILX was named the car buyers regretted purchasing the most. Most regular buyers don't really know which year is what generation, so even when the new car comes out, if they "do their research" and google "acura ilx" they'll be greeted with all the poor to lukewarm reviews of the 1G car.