fasterd

Hello all,

After years of Audi's and Nissan's, I ended up purchasing a 2015 ILX. Unfortunately, I bought a 2.0 auto, and this just won't do. After some research, it appears that there was in fact an "SI" version of the ILX (in regards to driveline for the performance edition). I really don't want opinions on the worthiness of doing so, but rather is the ILX 2.4 manual an exact copy in respect to driveline/harness? I see plenty wrecked online and have a bit of a history with swaps, turbos, and the like.... I just feel like the car would be great on some real springs and a real trans/motor.

Also, what options are there in regards to shocks/struts? I try to lean the HR/Bilstein route for ample reasons, So I would like to stay in the equivalent quality range.

Flame suit, check.

justnspace

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you would probably have to swap over the engine harness and the trans harness + ECU + actual engine and tranny
you would be the first to do so; maybe not guaranteed to work....grab a copy of the service manual.

justnspace

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it would probably be easier to sell your 2.0 auto and buy a 2.4l 6MT

fasterd

The parts I expected, and you are correct its easier....but mine is the perfect color, and if I swap it will have some from of FI added. Sometimes you love a car for the details surrounding its acquisition rather than the chassis itself. Also, I am having a hard time finding one wrecked or running, which is why I ask about the Si. From my experience, and by the rated outputs etc. Im going to venture a guess that while tedious everything is 100% a match.

Perhaps I should have rephrased this thread as "can someone get me schematics for the 12-15 Si and the 13-15 ILX AUTO AND MANUAL" .........


So can someone?

justnspace

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understood! gotta work with what you have!
why i spent all my monies modding a fwd TL, instead of getting a faster RWD/AWD car from the get go

fasterd

Im tired of working on AWD, Fwd is easy and honda parts are cheap and plentiful....shooting for a 250whp to 350whp car depending on how it goes.

so again, does anyone have access to etka, all data, or whatever the hell honda uses?

Thanks

fasterd

Im tired of working on AWD, Fwd is easy and honda parts are cheap and plentiful....shooting for a 250whp to 350whp car depending on how it goes.

so again, does anyone have access to etka, all data, or whatever the hell honda uses?

Thanks

justnspace

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my ultimate goal for my 6MT TL as well. I want to buy a TIG welder

fasterd

fab work isn't worth the aggravation just pay someone....tig work has high up front costs and stainless warps like a bitch....leave it to a pro.

It seems like I can't find any real shock/strut options, am I just not looking in the right place?

DaIll1

I wanted an exhaust and went to all of the muffler shops around. After being disappointed with results...

justnspace

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Sweet! hows that saying go? if you want something done right....

fasterd

Why wouldn't you just make it a V-band at that point instead of custom jabbing a flange out of plate steel?

fasterd

The follow up....

NO ONE HAS ANY SERVICE MANUALS TO THE 1ST GEN ILX OR SI?

DaIll1

In the '60's I learned how to oxy-acet weld by building an exhaust system. Now I get to learn how to TIG the same way.
It's all in the spark control

fasterd

Actually, TIG process is about temp control. You will use the pedal as a throttle and you push a seam with the filler. I highly recommend a newer unit that does not require scratch to start. While you're at it, why not just get a 1/2" flange made by drawing the flange in cad and sourcing it? Lastly, it's a lot easier to use a V-band for those sort of locations, especially if you go to put a compressor in later. I wanna say I spent 225 or so to get a 1/2" flange for an inline four exhaust manifold out of 304 (Ideal for turbo applications). Then that leads me to why are you using stainless? mild steel is fine for 5-7 years in N/A temps below 10 to 1 compression (roughly...lots of factors affect egt's I'm aware)

AGAIN.....WHO HAS ACCESS TO SERVICE MANUALS??????

justnspace

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Buy one fool.
shit Aint free

fasterd

Wow this forum is a total joke compared to other vehicle followings. I am disappointed to say the least.....reading a thread about how its safe to lower a car on springs using shocks with factory valving........are you guys serious?

And I don't need one, i need three....more specifically I need the engine,trans, and electrical sections only...... I'm trying to compare part numbers you clown.

Well if anyone has a 9th gen Si in the philadelphia area, PM me if youre willing to meet so I can look and compare PN's and look at a couple details.....otherwise Im going to post in this thread as it progresses (Welding lessons will be provided)

Signing off until something exciting happens.

justnspace

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You are assuming we have the service manual...

fasterd

Ok so who has a 2.4 manual, or an SI?

fasterd

I need pictures of the ECM harnesses (assuming its the controller aft of the airbox of the 2.0) as well as a photo of the subframe and if possible the fan assembly.

Also, I have read LSD and 9th gen together.....is that true of the civic and not the ILX? or was this wishful thinking of the misinformed?

horseshoez

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I don't understand, you're talking about dropping a crap ton of money on this conversion; way more than it would cost to simply sell your car and buy something closer to your "dream", and yet you're scrounging around for a free manual? This makes no sense to me.

fasterd

I can do it for 2k tops. Wrecked cars are going 3-5k for a side impact total loss and i can sell my driveline and harness/ECM out of this one. I am not scrounging, Im just not stupid...in general enthusiast communities have factory techs or people who work at mechanics shops with All Data, so i made an open call. Going out and buying all of this is like me kicking the door in before seeing if the knob turns....internet bro, full of knowledge.

You are right it may be cheaper, but its hard to find a manual car thats not beat on, and Id rather swap in another driveline and drop in rods/pistons/valves the first time around.

so much to learn in this forum...

justnspace

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You'll probably be waiting a long time for this answer.
Again, you're assuming someone with these vehicles will magically appear in this thread.... The title to this thread does not indicate what you are searching for...in other words, how do the 2.4 guys know that you need help?
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fasterd

Because in the ILX forum someone will inevitably read on the same way you 3 responded?

If my suspicions are correct once the motor is built the swap will take a weekend if the Engine harness is the only one to come out (assuming I find a 2.4 manual with the same dash interfaces)

Never challenge a systems engineer to whats possible my friends.......

fasterd

AND.....my hopes are dashed..... Auto has a shift indicator in the center of the cluster meaning its specific to the auto....whether this will affect dials I don't know.....Which leads me to the dimensioning of the SI dash...if I'm swapping all controls wiring inside and out I might as well go with a cheaper platform to pull from....Also with that is it true its a different trans in the 9th gen (LSD) or am I mistaken? Now I can upgrade to nav but I hate the SI cluster setup.....so this is why I need wiring layouts....I can perhaps jump wires if pins don't match assuming its analog signals (most certainly so)

justnspace

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I don't think anyone here is challenging you. We simply don't know or don't have the resources you are looking for.

fasterd

Well, lets start with a roll call....who has an ILX? please list auto/manual; 2.0/2.4; dash layout style......if someone is willing to share a couple pics of the car/part I need I can do the backend work now.

horseshoez

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Hmmm, $2,000 tops huh? For your sake I truly hope you prove us wrong, but my bet is the car will not be fully operational for much less than $3,000 if you do all the fab work and programming yourself; if you farm that work out then you could be looking at upwards of $5,000.

As for challenging a "Systems Engineer", yeah, about that; I'm an engineer as well, and once upon a time I carried that exact same title of "Systems Engineer" on my business card. I've made a career out of challenging engineers of all sorts. In this case, I simply think you don't have a full appreciation of the work it will require to accomplish what you are dreaming about.

fasterd

correction....this will be easier... swapping motors in german cars...especially motors never meant for that chassis make this a simple affair....swap and plug it in. and the more research i do this morning the more i realize its literally swap out the engine bay and be done.

horseshoez

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I have no clue what you are trying to tell us with this post.

fasterd

smoking too much of that shit

horseshoez

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So what is it you're smoking?

fasterd

The cigar I pulled out of your mother.

horseshoez

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I see, well I think that's all for this conversation; good luck in you're endeavors, they will surely teach you some good judgement, something which you sorely lack.

fasterd

Youre right, this isn't an enthusiast community its a forum for people to avoid paying the dealer to do basic stuff. Stay tuned anyone who wants to learn what it takes to build a real car.

justnspace

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quoted for posterity

horseshoez

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Not holding my breath.

Chrifff

Fasterd,

Ok.... I'll bite. I have a 2013 ILX Dynamic = A manual transmission 2.4L engine. Essentially the same generation SI engine. However to answer another question for you, unfortunately the ILX has thinner stock sway bars and "NO" LSD.

This forum is decent, however will not answer all of your questions as it seems you are a little more of an advanced mechanic/mods enthusiast. If you are looking for modifications there is a larger following of SI owners that mod their vehicle and most of the parts between the 2.4L engine models are interchangeable. I have done a couple mods myself but nothing to what you are proposing, I really hope you find what you are looking for but it may be more beneficial to find yourself a 2.4L Dynamic in manual rather than the work it would be needed to make the vehicles similar. I prefer a manual and is the main reason I picked up a used 2013 2.4L Dynamic opposed to the 2016 model year.

I am sorry I have not been on the forum for a couple weeks, but if you are looking for something that I maybe able to help you with then let me know and I will see what I can do/provide???

TWELVE AM

This guy is an apparent mechanical savant but fails to do any basic homework prior to a car purchase and ended up buying the turd 2.0 ILX .