wildeklave

I was looking over the ILX recently and thought to myself this car can't compete in the 179-183 inch car length segment. In the past 2 years the other competing companies have introduced new vehicles that compete better. Right now some people may choose a Honda Accord instead of an ILX.

The current automatic version engine has only 150 HP and 140 torque. Fuel economy is 24-35 mpg

I suggest Honda look to re-work the power trains to be the following:
-ILX Hybrid using the new Accord Hybrid engine with 195 HP and 45-50 mpg (better power and mpg than the current versions)
-ILX Sport (base) with the new Accord earth dreams engine with 278 HP and 252 torque getting 21-34 mpg (similar mpg as the current version with a powerful engine)
-ILX SH-AWD with the new MDX engine getting 290 HP with 267 torque with 20-28 mpg. It would have sport suspension and other sport handling features. Maybe offer more aggressive sport styling too with exhaust tips and a sportier nose.
-ILX Sport Hybrid using the new RLX hybrid engine getting 310 HP and 273 torque with 20-31 mpg

This would be a big change for Honda since they have tried to not offer multiple engines but their competitors do (ie. BMW, Mercedes, and Audi).


Here are the measurements of the competition:
BMW 3 series - 182.5 in long, 71.3 in wide, and 56.3 in high
Lexus IS - 183.7 in long, 70.9 in wide, and 56.3 in high
Mercedes CLA - 182.3 in long, 70 in wide, and 56.6 in high
Mercedes C class - 180.8 in long, 69.7 in wide, and 56.3 in high

Here is a comparison with pricing (suggested for Acura):
Company | Vehicle | Engine | HP / Torque | MPG City/Hwy | MSRP
BMW | 3 Series 335 | 3.0L Inline 6 | 300 / 300 | 20 / 30 | $44,325.00
Mercedes | C Class 350 Sport | 3.5L V6 | 302 / 273 | 20 / 29 | $43,025.00
Acura | ILX SH-AWD Hybrid | 3.5L V6 | 310 / 273 | 20 / 31 | $40,500.00
Lexus | IS 350 | 3.5L V6 | 306 / 277 | 19 / 26 | $40,375.00
Mercedes | C Class 300 | 3.5L V6 | 248 / 251 | 20 / 29 | $40,325.00
BMW | 3 Series 328d | 2.0L Inline 4 | 181 / 280 | 31 / 43 | $39,525.00
Acura | ILX SH - AWD | 3.5L V6 | 290 /267 | 20 / 28 | $38,500.00
BMW | 3 Series 328 | 2.0L Inline 4 | 240 / 255 | 23 / 35 | $38,225.00
Lexus | IS 250 | 2.5L V6 | 204 / 185 | 20 / 27 | $36,860.00
Mercedes| C Class 250 | 1.8L Inline 4 | 201 / 229 | 22 / 31 | $36,255.00
Acura | ILX hybrid | 2.0 Inline 4 | 195 / CVT | 50 / 45 | $34,000.00
BMW | 3 Series 320 | 2.0L Inline 4 | 180 / 184 | 24 / 36 | $33,675.00
Acura | ILX Sport | 3.5L V6 | 278 / 252 | 21 / 34 | $32,250.00
Mercedes| CLA Class 250 | 2.0L Inline 4 | 208 / 258 | 26 / 38 | $30,825.00

usdmJON

First off im so tired of these posts.
Nothing that hasnt been said a hundred times over for the last year.

Acura is trying to eliminate platform crossover. Increasing the cheapest ILX to become more expensive than the highest trim and making the higher trim the cost of a TL.

Makes no sense.

I for one am perfectly fine PAYING LESS for a slower car. All I hear is "its too slow. Put that motor in and charge more!" Its a damn entry level vehicle. Want to pay more for more power? Wise up and buy the faster platform. Damn.

usdmJON

Plus I believe in built not bought. Have fun with a factory tune that youll throw an intake and some LEDs on and call it a day. Stop whinning that its slow, get some balls, and a turbo it.

4cruizn

+1.

Don't expect to see a $40k ILX SH-AWD any time soon. The points are valid, but ultimately there is no right or wrong answer. The ILX has its own niche. It's a fun to drive car, small enough to park, plenty of creature comforts, and I guarantee the cost of ownership over the long-term will be far less than any of the competitors that were presented in this thread.
Huh? The ILX comes in 2.0, 2.4, and 1.5 (hybrid).

usdmJON

I really can't wait to turbo my 2.0
Then some people will understand they dont need a 3.0L or a v6 to go fast.

ILX6speed

How about you turbo my 2.4

usdmJON

They already released a supercharger for the 2.4. Just swoop that up.
Us 2.0 owners have to get creative over here.

ILX6speed

Actually just came out with a turbo kit from PRL Motorsports through Axion Industries

My birthday is coming up very soon in January

ILX6speed

+1

Even recently I just saw a fully loaded CL-A and thought to myself thank god I got the ILX.. The front and rear lights are just god awful fugly

And every time I walk out and see this.. I cannot help but

usdmJON

So then no excuses to not get that thing turbod before the weather warms up!

pockets

they will never ever put a v6 in the ilx.. the 2.4 ilx is fast enough. i mean no offence but if you want something faster then an ilx n exp for the price your going about it the wrong way. the ilx has alot of class. and its gorgeous inside and out. acura did a good job i think on the ilx i raced my friends 2003 3,2 tl type S A spec and we were neck n neck thats 260hp like jon said if you want more power buy a turbo installed for 3500 instead of a TL for 45000 ull save and you will be unique

team3d

Let's put aftermarket performance out of this topic

Ilx is fine the way it is... Most buyer do not care about horsepower.

Acura's biggest problem to draw buyers interest is lack of colors. The current strategy works for Canadian market, not u.s.

Canadians buys cars with conscious, American buy cars with impause

Nexx

2.4 will soon be available in an automatic as well instead of just the manual. with the death of the TSX its a natural transition.

pockets

how can you say most buyers dont care about horsepower? because i do and i kno many acura owners that do aswell

weather

I would welcome that news.....but is that statement based on credible source or a hunch?

usdmJON

Sounds like you think Acura makes "natural" choices. Their logic is anything but.
There is a good chance we wont be seeing the 2.4 if honda has been running turbos on the 2.0
The k24 is a great engine, the k24 we have, not the best k24 out there. Not the most race inspired anyway. The R series, smaller, but proven to handle more boost plus it gets better gas mileage, making it more well rounded start.

I for one would of course rather a 2.4 turbo than 2.0 but I just see Acura viewing the 2.4 as their go to race car. That is where all the SI guys will flock. I think Acura assumes those guys would take horsepower over luxury so they just left it at a premium trim. Clearly Acura views their tech models as their top trims. The fact that they put the 2.0 in there when theyve had the 2.4 running strong for years tells me something. Further more, them now testing the same engines with turbos proved they just dont care to play with the 2.4

ILX6speed

I don't recall but does the 2.0 even come with a manual tranny option?

pockets

no well not in canada ne ways only manuel you cant get in the ilx is the dynamic package

usdmJON

Nope. Acura only offers the one manual in the ILX.

Think about that... the only manual is a NON tech. The only 2.4 is a NON tech. All tech levels are their highest trim. Shows how highly Acura thinks of the 2.4 or the manual.

The 2.4 manual is perfect for the SI boy racer car shopper. But I really think that is the only reason Acura considered it. "People would REALLY hate us if we didnt give them something to rice out."

hahahaha Sorry for my hate. Just think its funny.

pockets

does anyone ever consider maybe the reason why honda/acura is so damn successful is because of us ricers who are die hard honda enthusiasts? its each to his own but in my eyes why would someone buy a 2.0 ilx to do motor work on it n i mean real motor work not a cai n BS.. the 2.0 is already down 50hp compared to the 2.4 and that automatic transmission will be able to handle only so much until it pops..

weather

We are lucky in Canada to have the Dynamic with the 2.4L....that means with get the stick with the Navi and ELS system etc.

team3d

out of 18,000 units sold this year, how many of us are on this topic ? 5 ? 10 ? 20 ? 100 ? 1,000 ?

even if there is over 1,000 ilx owners care about horsepower, there is still 17,000 of them who don't..

my wife have no idea how much hp is in her Mercedes, so is my mom, my father, my in-laws....

most people want, safety, comfort, value, luxury...

pockets

thats a statistic uv made up because all iv ever read is how dissapointed acura is with the 2.0 and just reading articles all most all comments are about dropping the 2.0 engine and why would they even use this engine ect...so maybe you can provide a link to validate your stats

these are what i can find for now:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-as-sales-lag/

http://wot.motortrend.com/sagging-sa...lx-302413.html

if im wrong please correct me

maybe we are talking between different generations of age but ne1 that iv talked to about my ilx gave me kudos for getting the dynamic package and was happy i didnt get the 2.0

pockets

heres a more recent link that shows most ppl dont want the 2.0

http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...#axzz2pCtvEC5k

usdmJON

I can't speak for anyone but myself. But I didn't buy my ILX to DO MOTOR WORK. Frankly, no one here has. There are better cars for strict motor builds. I purchased the 2.0 because in the long run .4L and 51hp isn't a big god damn deal to me. Right now while people are talking stock cars against stock cars sure an additional 50hp from the factory matters but Id rather the luxury of my navigation, ELS surround, onboard memory, and the paddle shifters, they are a must for any luxury build now a days.

Automatic transmissions have come a long way. The worlds fastest cars on and off the drag strip are semi auto transmissions similar to the paddle shifters the auto ilx sports. The automatic transmissions is a luxury, I enjoy it. I use manuals all day at work. They are fun to put to work, but I look to my car for luxury over racing me around town. And believe me, girls like that much more. <haha


YOU ARE!! I originally went to the dealership wanting the 2.4 Took a black one for a test drive because they didnt have the grey I wanted. I commented to the salesman "Wow this is some aggressive gearing! So much fun to drive but do I want this after work everyday?"
They must have been trying to get rid of some techs because when we got back they said theyd give me a great deal on the tech in the PMM I wanted "since they couldnt locate the 2.4 in grey." I absolutely love the navigation. The huge screen looks great for navi and just scrolling through folders and Im pretty satisfied with the ELS system.

The people in those comments are pretty much who I was summing up when I said si boy racers. All they will ever do to their cars are an intake, must be CAI because that is like 50+++more hp than a short ram!!, and a muffler or so help me god they play just the tip so that extra 50 hp means all the world to them.

I'm not looking for higher dyno numbers than you or the next guy. I want a car with a great luxurious feel inside and out and when she's f/i I want to blow past subuarus and lower end lexus.

Im sure people give you a ton of credit for buying the manual over the more expensive version.

team3d

Year
Acura CSX
Canadian Sales
2004: 5010
2005: 5192
2006: 5186
2007: 3729
2008: 2998
2009: 2526
2010: 2064
2011: 1795
2012: 27

team3d

yes, your talking about automotive writer to do a car review, these reviews are opinions from individual who actually have some knowledge on cars... they do not speak for the majority

acura csx is one of the best selling compact luxury sedan in canada, was csx more powerful than ilx ?

50% of the population is women, it means most likely, 50% of the acura ilx is owned by women.

team3d

it's writer Mark Rechtin from Automotive News's opinion...

so, mark rechtin is most people ? check the link again, how many people made a comment about ilx lack of power ? 0 & it the only comment was this....

Nick_Graves
• 5 months ago

Typo - The Sport Hybrid All-Wheel Drive system uses two integrated drive units at the FRONT wheels connected to a motor-generator that delivers power.

usdmJON

Id say most ILX owners are women. I see more guys posting about their ILX consistently but I see new girls buying an ILX and posting on InstaGram daily.

I have absolutely no issues with girls liking my car. I dont ride a guy around town. My car is a sexy bitch and any respectable female can respect a sexy bitch.

4cruizn

I notice the same.

weather

I wouldn't have any concerns or issues driving an ILX. In my opinion, it doesn't like girly at all and serves both demographics just well.

Now the VW beetle with the little flower on the dash.....that's a little different.

opboarding

These threads are dumb. Nothing good comes from them.

This should be locked.

nothome17

Yes there powertrains are reliable and smooth. The owners are a very loyal group though. The ILX is just not that great in any way, especially for it's price.

If Acura really wants to attract new customers (and maybe get back a few old ones), they'll get hot on creating a new sport compact worthy of an Integra nameplate. The ILX is okay, but ultimately overpriced and underachieving.

pockets

lol wow ok.. lots to reply to so..usdmjon you need to know your facts !st off my 2.4 ilx has all the great luxuries you have 8' screen full navi and it hs the k24 with the 6mt. and its the same price as the tech here in canada.. so for the same price y wudnt i get the dynamic instead of the 2.0? yes auto trannys have come a long way and those race cars may have an strong auto transmission but the ilx isnt a race car and you dont have that beefy auto transmission. once a jap car owner mods his car he automatically in the eyes of everyone else even car enthusiests 9/10 hes a ricer so we pretty much r all ricers in theyr eyes and in the tuner world majority of car owners want a manuel tranny not an autotragic... n regarding your comment about who buys n ilx to do motor work? is that a joke? the K series is one of the best motors honda has made! the only issue iv found with them is you cant run ne other ecus like the p28 n chip it you have to run kpro other then that i dont kno what your talking about cuzz theres too many tsx's civic si' with boosted a tons of motor work done the ilx is a fresh car but as time goes on u will c these things with motor work.

team3d i dont kno where u get ur stats from 50% of the population is women that doesnt even mke sense !> WHAT POPULATION WHERE ON THE MAP ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? ther are 7billion people on this planet and men are out numbered 5/1 by women so i dont kno where u get your info from

and i posted links there to back up my statement the fact of the matter is there are so many articles about how the 2.0 in the ilx is an issue for acuras sales and people dont like it! no they do not speak for everyone obviously! but for there to be so many articles posted it must have been a discussed matter meaning people must have talked about it and it must have come up so much its become a problem if not many people cared why have so many posts about this same issue?

the ilx is def sexy car no matter whos driving but to me having a 2.0 auto 4cylinder 150hp in a 31000 luxury car is well to me just sad but it doesnt mater what i think or wat ne 1 ithinks as long as you drive a honda all is good!

team3d

http://en.worldstat.info/North_America

We are not in India or China.

In North America, gender ratio is 50/50...

usdmJON

Holy shit. First off Im not trying to tell you your car sucks so you need to get off the "autotragic" bandwagon real quick if you want anything you say to have any credence.

Secondly, show us the respect of typing complete sentences. That was a headache to read.

My facts are plenty straight my friend. Here in the good ol' U S of A you can not buy a 2.4 manual with navi... Back when I purchased my ILX you couldn't even buy one of those puppies up North.

I believe I already stated the semi auto with paddle shifters is a must have for any luxury/vip build. At my time of purchase I probably would have gone with a Dynamic. Now with hindsight, I'm very happy with my purchase. Sure I wish my auto was matched with the 2.4 but you give up some of these choices when you buy a car in its first year run. I am happy I have one though. In my opinion it is cooler than having a 2014.

And you are right, the ILX IS NOT A RACE CAR. So why does it need a damn manual tranny and an extra .4L? Its a luxury car so I opted for the luxury of not shifting. Im not looking to push 350hp. I dont need a beefy tranny. Besides, these trannys have a great reputation along with the motor when it comes to boosting.

Rice is in the eye of the beholder. I dont even know why this was brought up. Personally I think blacked out trim on an ILX is rice. Others may think my plastidip wheels are rice because plastidip is cheap. Who cares?

Again my friend you are wrong.
Majority of CAR ENTHUSIASTS*** want manuals. Majority of car owners want automatics. Majority of cars made are automatics.

The K series is a great motor but the k series in the ilx is not the PRIME K out there. Acura threw the cheap K in there. It's no K24a, its the K24z. Still a great motor but my point was there are better and cheaper hondas to start from if motor work is your only goal. All Im saying.

Actually, according to the World FactBook in 2010 there was .97 men for every 1 female. Making the US gender ratio pretty damn equal. No where near .2 like you claim. Though it seems team3d is talking US while your talking the world... so lets recheck that. In the 90s the CIA stated there was 1 male to every 7 females. As of 2011 there are 986 females to every 1000 males. Oh, look at that, wrong again.

does it really matter that god damn much to go from
2.0 auto 4cylinder 150hp 31000 LUXURY CAR
2.4 Man. 4cylinder 201hp 31000 Acura SI

I bought a luxury car, I want the damn luxury transmission. Im grown up. Im over mashing the clutch at a green light. I like being able to just cruise now. I honestly love it. Never thought Id say that when I was like you and thought manual was the only thing worth driving. And its an R series. Just as tunable as any K series. Great motor for boosting. very reliable and awesome gas milage. Cheaper too replace and mod. Sure with the same mods you will be quicker than me. But youve already stated you're looking at wheels a drop with some tint and LEDs. Ive got a project car on my hands so Im in it for the build not to post the highest numbers.

pockets

Great responses lol i would go on forever with u but it will never end. And im glad you have an automatic so u can feel mature ofcourse manuel car drivers r immature. Good luck with ur auto in the tuner world

4cruizn

This thread's off track and not productive. Closing it.