nothome17

Come on now Honda/Acura.. Did you not listen to the critics on what they said about the 2nd Gen TSX. What if it had a 6 speed Auto transmission. It would of been a different story. Also as being an Acura brand and this ILX model coming out in 2012, it should of gotten a 6 speed auto. WOW.. Really? FaiL

DaChef320

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y u need a 6speed auto on a slow car like that?

nothome17

Ahaha..!! I guess that's what the engineers thought about the ILX going 5 speed auto.

nothome17

Compact cars for Hyundai, Ford, Mazda, Kia, VW all have 6 speed auto's and these are all non Luxury cars.

spdandpwr

a 6speed would have made it a little less slow and perhaps given it slights better mpg numbers...look what it did to the 2012 tl

neuronbob

Acura used what it had for the launch of the ILX, and Honda's 5-speed trannys have been pretty good lately. The Earth Dreams drivetrains are coming soon (next MY likely). I say that the OP's point is a non-issue. Further, car enthusiasts are not the 2.0 5AT model's target consumer.

If you want more performance, buy the 6MT. I would, it's a much more dynamic driving experience!

Ken1997TL

The 5AT is on its last legs. Honda's new CVT designs will be significantly better and will make their way to the ILX soon.

nothome17

Being a Luxury brand Acura. Acura.. Acura = value-luxury I would understand if it was under Honda. But it's under Acura = value-luxury.. Don't make no BS excuse why it didn't drop a 6 speed auto. This 1st Gen ILX is going to be out for 4 years. Maybe they'll add an option of a CVT in the mid refresh. Who knows...

That reminds me. I had a 92 GSR that had a 3rd gear pop. WTF..... And they are still having issues with the 3rd gear? Come on, that was on my 1992 GSR and it is now 2012. Had to put in GM Syncromesh to fix the issue btw if you guys didn't know of the issue and fix.

terdonal

Rather have 5 speed auto than CVT myself.

iforyou

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You probably haven't been paying too much attention with what's going on with Honda but the plan is that next year the ILX will receive ED powertrains - both engine & tranny.

Colin

Please tell me what H/A 4 cylinder has a 6AT that they could 'drop' in?

nothome17

Do they need to have a 6AT in the warehouse? Wow.. You kidding?.. Honda needs to get with there R&D deptpartment and get workin. Instead of using the mass produced 5 speed trannies they have in inventory and stop being cheap. Unless they still trying to solve there tranny issues.

CRITICS has been telling Honda what's up with the 5 speed when the 2009 TSX came out. Well they did answer the power issue by adding a 6 cylinder to the 2nd gen TSX but did not add a 6 speed auto.

nothome17

Critics complained about the 2009 TL falling short because it was 1 speed shy. They answered that by developing a 6AT for the 2012 TL and fixed the can opener look. LOL... Well they didn't develope it, they just took it from the MDX/RDX and put it in the TL.

Honda/Acura didn't learn there lesson with the 6AT request? LOL....

neuronbob

Yup. 100% agree, though hopefully Honda will break through as far as making the CVT driving experience a bit more involving in addition to their fuel savings.

To the OP: Most luxury buyers don't care how many gears their car has. They simply don't, no matter what you say. Only enthusiasts do and I tell you again, you are not the target market for this car. Further, multiple people including myself have told you here that the ED drivetrains are coming. There is no need to get agitated about the issue.

It's only the Internet! Take a break from your keyboard, breathe deep, and come back relaxed.

Colin

Yes they would need to have a 6AT in the warehouse if they want to drop it in the ILX (or any 4 cylinder car). The obviously developed one for the V-6 cars and have been rolling it out as new cars are introduced or MMC'd. (ZDX, MDX, TL etc)

Your rant would have validity if they already had a 6AT for 4 cylinder applications developed, but were holding it back for some reason. However, since such a transmission does not exist, the only valid rant is that they didn't make one years ago.

As it stands, it looks like they've seen that the conventional transmissions days are numbered, and the future will be DSGs or CVTs.

Ken1997TL

A) Honda designs its own transmissions

B) The TL's 6 speed auto is the same as the RL and MDX. It was expensive to do the upgrade. Mainly it was because of CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy)

C) Does it really matter in the end to you? Get a manual or another car if you're so knowledgeable and concerned. It'll be addressed soon enough.

Colin

In my brief experience with the ILX Hybrid CVT before we sold it, (which is the old, Non-Earth Dreams version), I can say that it didn't suck as much as the last Civic Hybrid that I drove did. Damning praise I know, but honestly, it seemed that it allowed the engine to rev up more than the Civic version did. Using the paddle shifters allowed even more control. I wrote a little about this in a blog post on my site.

nothome17

Acura = Value & Luxury.. If this ILX was under Honda. A civic type R or whatever. Then fine, 5AT is all good. But this ILX is an Acura and that stands for something right?

But you know, it is better than the Civic. That's where the value and luxury is.

I was hoping it was designed by FORD or KIA. Trannies has been horrible the last decade.

Why settle with a 5AT that is in Market just to make money. It might be something important for a someone that might be in the market now but may want to wait until Honda/Acura finally upgrades to the Earth Dreams. Hopefully it won't be just a dream.

pickler

acura's 6speed auto is not any better than the 5 speed. the shift times are slower in my opinion and its not as smooth. i think i saw a video on youtube also stating this...here:


slushbox is a slushbox unless were talking DCT where there is NO torque converter. those are faster than any conventional automatic in shifting.

nothome17

Like I said in my previous post. Had a 1992 GSR. That's in the 90's, had 3rd gear issues. Still seeing that issue in Acurazine or other Honda forums. They didn't seem to remedy that issue or even try to fix the issue. Owners had to go out and by some GM Syncrhomesh from GMC WTF. OR purple barney stuff. WTF. Maybe it's good to be optomistic about the CVT.

Then my experience with my 2008 TSX manual. Had issues with the Master clutch cylinder always creaking. Called customer care and the supervisor Named Fred Silva said "No body drives manuals anymore and more people are buying automatics" .. WTF.. Maybe that was my snapping point. Can't forget that conversation. I should of recorded and posted it on youtube.

Ken1997TL

Because Honda is in the business of making money, not keeping YOU Mr. Not-at-home happy about one insignificant issue. Businesses have to pick their battles.

Honda used what it had at the time for the ILX. When the CVT is ready, it will be installed.

nothome17

Then it's a good thing we have forums so we don't get suckerd and not know about the future earth dreamy tranny. Then us consumers will not have regrets on why they weren't told of the new Earth Dreams options. I'm sure dealers don't tell these to customers currently looking at the ILX.

Imagine a sales person saying to a potential ILX buyer "you know what, the earth dreamy tranny is coming in the future. You may want to wait". ahahaha..

Rocket_man

Earth Dreams drive trains are not a secret. They have been written about in multiple press releases.

My grandmother used to tell me this when I wanted something that simply didn't exist or wasn't possible...

"Wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which gets filled first"

You can wish for it, but it is what is it, you will get a better tranny when it is ready.

iforyou

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Not if you buy a DCT equipped Hyundai...lol...their DCT's aren't exactly an improvement......

nothome17

It will be good to get the word out. I'm sure it won't be advertised at the stealership which is understandable since they do want to sell what they have in their inventory.

As for wishin, well, the Acura brand itself should of answered some wishes in this year 2012 since they do stand for Value & Luxury. Which they might be doing sometime in the future. Who knows when?? Again, they do want to sell what they have in their inventory.

terdonal

[QUOTE=nothome17;13884727]It will be good to get the word out. I'm sure it won't be advertised at the stealership which is understandable since they do want to sell what they have in their inventory.

One can wait and wish for changes forever as change will always come down the road. When they do come then people will say don't buy the first year wait until the next year until potential problems are found and eliminated. It goes on and on for some.

Colin

Agreed, with all consumer goods, there is always something new next year and one could wait forever for it to be 'just the right time'. I doubt that the OP considered this, but some may not want a CVT so telling them about the future might actually incentivize sales of 'what is in inventory' now...

As for what shoulda been done, maybe Honda/Acura should have stopped the earthquake, tsunami and Thai flooding so that they could have had the ED drivetrains ready for the ILX at launch. All those people that died and are homeless...? Not important. Nothome17 wants something other than a 5AT NOW!

nothome17

Excuses for Acura being behind.

Uhmm.. Maybe they are having problems with earth dreams and want to make it perfect.

silverTL6

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+1

We don't see other Japanese automakers releasing mediocre products and blaming them on the tsunami/earthquake/etc

Colin

You do realize that it was Honda's R&D facility that was directly impacted by the disaster. Toyota and Nissan only had parts supply disruption so future product plans weren't affected. I sincerely hope this helps to educate you on (some of) what happened in Northern Japan because your statement sounds a little uninformed.

nothome17

Love Honda/Acura and all, but those excuses has past it’s due date and the 5AT as well. Honda/Acura will ride this “inventory/natural disaster” excuse as long as they can, then a bit longer.

iforyou

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perhaps you should be a bit more open-minded and give thoughts to the possible reasons provided rather than being so stubborn?

phile

and you guys thought the auto news crew was bad

CoquiTSX

+1

nothome17

Perhaps Honda/Acura should be more open minded. Designs? Front wheel drive? 5AT? Tranny problems solved by using other transmission oil brands?

iforyou

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Honda/Acura should also be more open minded for sure.

People aren't really complaining the designs anymore, unlike the 4G TL.

FWD has been with Acura for 20+ years.....no real surprise there. If you don't want FWD cars, then Honda/Acura is definitely not for you. Do you really love honda and all as you have mentioned in the post above?

5AT issue is only here temporary for about 1 year. Reason has already been explained. No need to beat on a dead horse.

Stop bringing up other issues that are irrelevant to your original post. Your main topic is 5AT for ILX. Why are you bringing up other topics such as FWD and designs? Again, 5AT is temporary, CVT will be here next year.

nothome17

I take it on your Avatar that you have or have owned an S2K. I really enjoyed it and didn't see anything wrong with it. Wonder if it would be the same beast if it was FWD?

Honda/Acura needs to stop living by the saying "if its good why fix it?" ahahah..

But anyway, yes, earth dreams is coming out. Hopefully the performance is better than their 5AT or not as problematic. So all hope is not lost. But base products must improve in innovation and styling, and vehicles are needed to show buyers that Honda is still innovative; Honda needs to get back into the game by being a leader, rather than a follower.

Honda engines =Good
Honda automatic transmissions = Bad.

iforyou

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I have a 2G TL-S actually...never had a S2k before. My dream car is actually a NSX Type R.

Don't be mistaken that I'm saying FWD is better than RWD. All I'm saying is, it's nothing new that the ILX and most Acuras are FWD. This has been the case for a long, long time. They had some pretty nice FWD vehicles such as the 3G TL-S and DC2 Integra-R though.

the_razor

You sure about that because Mitsubishi Selling Rebadged Infiniti M Sedans In Japan ... and here is the proof: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...edans-in-japan

nothome17

Uhm.. If you want a 2.4L Engine and don't want a 6MT, might as was well go towards a TSX.