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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 11:32 AM
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Blu ray with 720p

I am pretty new with TVs and Blu rays. I tube tv in the bedroom died and I bought a 26 in Panasonic
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-C1sWsQt...TC-26LX85.html

Its a 720p and it use blu ray I need a 1080p? What would the picture be with a 720p TV?

I can spend $75 more and get a Vizio taht is a 32 inch 1080p.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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The blu ray player will play the movie at 720p.

Keep your panasonic, you'll never notice the quality difference on a TV that small. Unless of course you want a 32".
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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Should play it at 1080i as well no? My TV is 720P/1080i. How does it choose between one or the other?

We're baptizing a baby in January and the wife found out they bought us a Blu-Ray player.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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Should play it at 1080i as well no? My TV is 720P/1080i. How does it choose between one or the other?

We're baptizing a baby in January and the wife found out they bought us a Blu-Ray player.
yes true if the TV does 1080i than it will be 1080i.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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How about this?
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...ame=Flat+Panel
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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Should play it at 1080i as well no? My TV is 720P/1080i. How does it choose between one or the other?
I thought TVs will have one native resolution - either 720 or 1080. Even if it is 1080i instead of 1080p, it is still a 1080 resolution and would be better suited to playing in 1080i. Of course, it could play 720p, but since it isn't the native resolution, it would be scaling and interpolating pixels - like a computer monitor set at different resolutions.

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We're baptizing a baby in January and the wife found out they bought us a Blu-Ray player.
Are you a preacher? Or are you going to be godparents?
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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FWIW, I have a blu-ray player being used on a 720p 50" RPLCD. I'm sure 1080p looks a lot better, but 720p still looks pretty good. That said, if I were to buy a new tv today, it would definitely be 1080p/
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
I thought TVs will have one native resolution - either 720 or 1080. Even if it is 1080i instead of 1080p, it is still a 1080 resolution and would be better suited to playing in 1080i. Of course, it could play 720p, but since it isn't the native resolution, it would be scaling and interpolating pixels - like a computer monitor set at different resolutions.
You might be right, I have no clue. But I thought it played either or? Pretty sure mine is 1080i.

So what about HDTV. If its broadcast in 720P, the TV scales down? I could have sworn that my XBOX 360 gives me the option of either 1080i or 720P in the menu.


Are you a preacher? Or are you going to be godparents?
Godparents.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:29 PM
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You might be right, I have no clue. But I thought it played either or? Pretty sure mine is 1080i.

So what about HDTV. If its broadcast in 720P, the TV scales down? I could have sworn that my XBOX 360 gives me the option of either 1080i or 720P in the menu.
It will play either or if your TV is designed to do so. You have the option of which one to use. 1080i will be higher resolution, but interlaced like analog television (every other line is updated every refresh cycle). 720p will be lower resolution, but progressive, more like film (i.e. whole pictures updated each refresh cycle). I'd play the same source using both options and see which one looks better to you. You may not notice much difference. For TV, it will depend on which channel you are watching, since some channels broadcast in 720p and others in 1080i.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
You might be right, I have no clue. But I thought it played either or? Pretty sure mine is 1080i.

So what about HDTV. If its broadcast in 720P, the TV scales down? I could have sworn that my XBOX 360 gives me the option of either 1080i or 720P in the menu.




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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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Sorry for the thread hi-jack.

Thanks moeronn, that makes sense.

Just pulled up the specs on my TV.

# Resolution 1280 x 720
# Display Format 720p
# Input Video Formats 480i (via Component sockets) , 480p (via Component sockets) , 720p (via Component sockets) , 1080i (via Component sockets)

So the Blu-Ray player and some HDTV will play it at 1080i? But its up converting?

HDTV looks great on it. Some HD channels better than others. And I do notice some motion blurr when watching some HD sports.

So are there 1080i TV's that have a native resolution of 1920x1080? Or is that native resolution only reserved for 1080p?

The only resolution's I've seen are 1920x1080, 1280x720 and 1366x768
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:04 PM
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It's been a while since I really looked into details, but if seems like your TV will be converting everything to 720p when you watch it.

The actual resolution of my set is, IIRC, 1366x768 and it's considered 720p. All HD signal (1080i, 1080p, 720p) inputs are converted to 720p for display.

I don't think they make them any more, but there were sets built for 1080i, which was the native resolution. IINM, the difference between a 1080i and 1080p set is the electronics, not the screen.

The motion blur is often a result of the compressed signal more than the TV. You shouldn't see as much of it when watching blu-ray.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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Thanks again.

Looks like I need a new TV.

I was watching a Planet Earth Blu-Ray a few weeks ago at Costco on a 1080p Sony.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Thanks again.

Looks like I need a new TV.

I was watching a Planet Earth Blu-Ray a few weeks ago at Costco on a 1080p Sony.
Anytime. And I don't know that you need to run out and get a new TV. As much as I want one, after spending more than $3k 3 years ago on my current set, I can't justify buying a new one. 720p is plenty good enough for now.

I watched Planet Earth on Discovery HD at home and it looked awesome. I'm sure 1080p would blow me away. But as they say, ignorance is bliss.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
Thanks again.

Looks like I need a new TV.

I was watching a Planet Earth Blu-Ray a few weeks ago at Costco on a 1080p Sony.
Originally Posted by moeronn
Anytime. And I don't know that you need to run out and get a new TV. As much as I want one, after spending more than $3k 3 years ago on my current set, I can't justify buying a new one. 720p is plenty good enough for now.

I watched Planet Earth on Discovery HD at home and it looked awesome. I'm sure 1080p would blow me away. But as they say, ignorance is bliss.
planet earth on blu-ray on 1080p is indeed.

seeing planet earth, alone, was worth buying the ps3 to play blu-rays.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
I thought TVs will have one native resolution - either 720 or 1080. Even if it is 1080i instead of 1080p, it is still a 1080 resolution and would be better suited to playing in 1080i. Of course, it could play 720p, but since it isn't the native resolution, it would be scaling and interpolating pixels - like a computer monitor set at different resolutions.
because you are talking about progressive and interlace...most 720p players can display 1080i.

likewise you should be able to go in to the bluray players menu and tell it which res to play at.

I would probably stick with the native of 720p...but I prefer a progressive image to interlace.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
Anytime. And I don't know that you need to run out and get a new TV. As much as I want one, after spending more than $3k 3 years ago on my current set, I can't justify buying a new one. 720p is plenty good enough for now.
The wife wouldn't let me anyway.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 01:55 PM
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because you are talking about progressive and interlace...most 720p players can display 1080i.

likewise you should be able to go in to the bluray players menu and tell it which res to play at.

I would probably stick with the native of 720p...but I prefer a progressive image to interlace.
You're talking about players, but we were talking about Displays. Whatever the source, it should be set to the TVs native resolution. I have not compared a 1080i image to a 720p image on a 1080i native resolution display, but my guess is it would look slightly better than 720p on the same screen.
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So umm how about those TV links I posted? I want a 1080P in the bedroom but cant justify spending more than $600
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
You're talking about players, but we were talking about Displays. Whatever the source, it should be set to the TVs native resolution. I have not compared a 1080i image to a 720p image on a 1080i native resolution display, but my guess is it would look slightly better than 720p on the same screen.
No I am talking about displays.

720p looks better than 1080i on the same size display if we are talking a smaller size such as the TV the OP bought....just my own opinion.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:34 PM
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So umm how about those TV links I posted? I want a 1080P in the bedroom but cant justify spending more than $600
Dude, get your own thread.

If you're going to buy a Vizio, check Coscto. They aren't the best TVs in the world, but Coscto sells a ton of them, so they should be decent.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:36 PM
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No I am talking about displays.

720p looks better than 1080i on the same size display if we are talking a smaller size such as the TV the OP bought....just my own opinion.
Agreed that it will be personal preference. I just don't like the idea of scaling unnecessarily. I would try to match the input signal and native resolution as much as possible.
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Originally Posted by moeronn
Dude, get your own thread.


Sorry about the hi-jack. I'd get the 1080p as well.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
Agreed that it will be personal preference. I just don't like the idea of scaling unnecessarily. I would try to match the input signal and native resolution as much as possible.
1) if I set up the same blu ray player to a 1080p TV and to the OP's 26" 720p TV...you would not be able to tell me you see a difference.

2) I think the math is built in the players (and I believe the movie discs) to scale accurately for the proper HD resolution. I can be corrected if I am wrong on this.

3) most people's eyes arent really trained to see the differences in most of these formats. So, they are all just talking numbers and inputs and it really wouldnt make any difference to them.
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Originally Posted by moeronn
I thought TVs will have one native resolution - either 720 or 1080. Even if it is 1080i instead of 1080p, it is still a 1080 resolution and would be better suited to playing in 1080i. Of course, it could play 720p, but since it isn't the native resolution, it would be scaling and interpolating pixels - like a computer monitor set at different resolutions.

Are you a preacher? Or are you going to be godparents?
I think Dom may be correct because when I bought my LCD a year ago I'm positive it said that the tv is a 720p. However when playing blurays I'll hit the display button to see what resolution it's in and it says 1080i.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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1) if I set up the same blu ray player to a 1080p TV and to the OP's 26" 720p TV...you would not be able to tell me you see a difference.
I've never had the chance to compare side by side. Only going by what I've heard. Some some they can, some say they can't. Interesting.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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I've never had the chance to compare side by side. Only going by what I've heard. Some some they can, some say they can't. Interesting.

On a tv that small you wouldnt be able to tell but whe you go bigger you can tell. For instance my dad has a 52" plasma that has Fios connected to it. When you compare his to my buddy's who has a 46" with 1080p HD there's a night and day difference.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dom
I've never had the chance to compare side by side. Only going by what I've heard. Some some they can, some say they can't. Interesting.
Hard to tell on a something as small as 26"

Really depends on whether the person really knows what they are talking about and what they are looking at.

I'd say 97% of people this site, wouldnt be able to tell.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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I missed the part about it being a 26" TV.

Originally Posted by Derk's K24
For instance my dad has a 52" plasma that has Fios connected to it. When you compare his to my buddy's who has a 46" with 1080p HD there's a night and day difference.
This is why I need a new TV.
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Originally Posted by dom
I missed the part about it being a 26" TV.



This is why I need a new TV.

I dont need one but now I'm fienin for one. I was one of the first out of the people I know to upgrade to a LCD but it's just a 27" for the bedroom. Well now everybody around me is going tv crazy with 46's and 52's and of course watching theirs really makes me want to get a bigger one even though mine is fine for our small ass room. LOL!
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I have a 720p projector, and Blu-ray looks pretty nice, even at 85" screen size.
I'm sure it will look better at 1080p but it is still very, very enjoyable.

How signifigant a difference tv resolution also depends on how close you sit to the tv.
I'm sure you can notice the difference, even on a 26" tv, if you sat close enough to it.

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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Derk's K24
On a tv that small you wouldnt be able to tell but whe you go bigger you can tell. For instance my dad has a 52" plasma that has Fios connected to it. When you compare his to my buddy's who has a 46" with 1080p HD there's a night and day difference.
It might not be just because of the resolution. It might have been what program was on, calibration, source (was your friend's with a BD on), etc. TV's are so difficult to compare. It's apples and oranges most of the time. That's why the whole 720 vs 1080i vs 1080p is a big marketing hype than what it really is. It's a way of making people who bought TV's 2 years ago think their model is obsolete and drop another $1500+ on another set. It's true that 1080p is better but like Sarlacc said, nobody can tell. Some folks can't tell SD from HD.

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Originally Posted by Derk's K24
I dont need one but now I'm fienin for one. I was one of the first out of the people I know to upgrade to a LCD but it's just a 27" for the bedroom. Well now everybody around me is going tv crazy with 46's and 52's and of course watching theirs really makes me want to get a bigger one even though mine is fine for our small ass room. LOL!
Well I'm biting the bullet tomorrow. The GF and I decided not to get presents for each other this year and just go half on a Panasonic 42" 720p Plasma. It's for the bedroom which is usually dark, we mostly use it for PS3 and Blu ray so it seems like a good fit. Also the distance from our bed to where it's gonna be sitting is about 10 ft or less.
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It might not be just because of the resolution. It might have been what program was on, calibration, source (was your friend's with a BD on), etc. TV's are so difficult to compare. It's apples and oranges most of the time. That's why the whole 720 vs 1080i vs 1080p is a big marketing hype than what it really is. It's a way of making people who bought TV's 2 years ago think their model is obsolete and drop another $1500+ on another set. It's true that 1080p is better but like Sarlacc said, nobody can tell. Some folks can't tell SD from HD.

No, I wasn't saying there's a difference in resolution between those two tv's. I was just saying due to the size of them I could tell a difference in the picture. The only difference besides size in their tv's is that my dad has his hooked up to Verizon FIOS and my buddy's is Comcast HD but the FIOS blow the Comcast HD out of the water. Oh and both tv's were on ESPN football for comparison. By the way what's BD?
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Originally Posted by moeronn
It's been a while since I really looked into details, but if seems like your TV will be converting everything to 720p when you watch it.

The actual resolution of my set is, IIRC, 1366x768 and it's considered 720p. All HD signal (1080i, 1080p, 720p) inputs are converted to 720p for display.

I don't think they make them any more, but there were sets built for 1080i, which was the native resolution. IINM, the difference between a 1080i and 1080p set is the electronics, not the screen.

The motion blur is often a result of the compressed signal more than the TV. You shouldn't see as much of it when watching blu-ray.
moe is correct. If dom's display resolution is 1280x720 and it displays at 720p then that is the native resolution of the display and all non-720p material will be converted to 720p. If you feed the display a 720p signal then it will be displayed at its native resolution pixel-for-pixel. If you feed the display a 1080i or 1080p signal then it will be converted (using some form of interpolation) to a 720p picture. Unless you sit really close to the display or have a large display you probably won't be able to see the difference anyway. Some say that a converted signal might seem a little softer due to the interpolation going on. That may depend on the video processing software of your TV.

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I think Dom may be correct because when I bought my LCD a year ago I'm positive it said that the tv is a 720p. However when playing blurays I'll hit the display button to see what resolution it's in and it says 1080i.
The display will show you the the signal being fed into the LCD. The OTA tuner will pull in HD stations that broadcast at 720p or 1080i but the signal will be converted, if necessary, to the native resolution of your LCD (720p in your case).
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Old Dec 12, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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BD = Blu-Ray Disc. It's a common abbreviation used rather than BR.

FIOS PQ > Comcast PQ since they don't compress their bandwith at least from what I read.
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Old Dec 16, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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I can now confirm that Bu-Ray looks very good even @ 720P.
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WTF. Weren't you getting a player next year?
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Originally Posted by Doom878
WTF. Weren't you getting a player next year?


My wife and I are baptizing two kids in January. My brother in-laws daughter and my wife's best friends son. We knew the wife's best friend got us a Blu-Ray player but it turns out my wife's brother shows up at my house on Sunday with a Blu-Ray player as their gift. So now I have or will have 2 BD players.

I'll end up exchanging one for something else.
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