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Old 07-27-2010, 11:20 AM
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Alot of people complain about the effect 3D has on the eyes, me included. Has there been any research into this scientifically from a medical point of view? I wouldn't be surprised if after a year or two, manufacturers will need to put up a warning about the health risk of extended viewing in 3D.
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Originally Posted by F-C
Alot of people complain about the effect 3D has on the eyes, me included. Has there been any research into this scientifically from a medical point of view? I wouldn't be surprised if after a year or two, manufacturers will need to put up a warning about the health risk of extended viewing in 3D.
They already do.

As someone who has lived in glasses (passive and active) for the past year there are alot of warnings for people seizure sensitive. When shit comes out of the screen it causes some discomfort which is why long term 3D enjoyment will come from depth of field. (into the screen).
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Originally Posted by eclipse23
They already do.

As someone who has lived in glasses (passive and active) for the past year there are alot of warnings for people seizure sensitive. When shit comes out of the screen it causes some discomfort which is why long term 3D enjoyment will come from depth of field. (into the screen).
Not talking about seizures. I'm concerned about long term impact to eye health. Kinda like how if you read too close to a book, you will eventually develop nearsightedness.
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Not every movie should be in 3D, Christopher Nolan not using it shows simply that he's made the creative decision not to use 3D to tell his story.
Agreed.

I personally never want to see one again.
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Anyone here a baseball fan and hate 3D? Hold your opinion until you've seen baseball in 3D.
I remember reading that golf in 3D was actually quite interesting, since you had a better sense of the curvature of the ground.

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Why 3-D is already dying

FORTUNE -- Back in the day, the knock on Hollywood was that it produced too many two-dimensional characters. Now moviegoers are beginning to grumble about paying up to see them in the third dimension as well.

While premium pricing for 3-D movie tickets has lined studio pockets over the last few years, it hasn't translated into throngs of new moviegoers at the theater. Movie admissions have been in a tailspin for more than a decade, and despite a bump in 2009, new data shows the public is cooling to the offerings at their local theater yet again.

Hollywood.com's box-office survey shows attendance down by 2.2% through July 18th of this year when compared with 2009. Memorial Day weekend, traditionally the busiest four days of the year, drew the smallest audience in 17 years.

A river of schlocky films certainly doesn't help boost attendance, but a river of overpriced, 3-D schlock may actually be steepening the decline. A July survey of more than 2,000 moviegoers by BTIG LLC, a broker-dealer firm, found increasing chafe at the high cost of 3-D films, which tend to carry around a $4 surcharge. That brings a $9 children's ticket to see, say, Despicable Me, up to $13 in New York City -- a despicable premium for a product that often provides little additional value to the movie-going experience, and may even detract from it.

Movie studios have never really risked broad consumer revolt against theatergoing because ticket prices have remained relatively low. Sure, theater attendance has suffered from a few slings and arrows, including the rise of the DVD and the increasing ease of online downloads. But the rollout of improved 3-D technology again gave the multiplex an edge, because the viewing experience could not be replicated at home.

Not worth the price

The drastic climb in 3-D pricing now threatens the first glimmer of a profit rebound the studios have seen in years, testing the studio's "new normal," and their belief that 3-D is recession-proof. "To see a $4 premium on 3-D pricing is a pretty gigantic move for pricing," says Richard Greenfield, BTIG's media analyst. "Despite the staggering success of some blockbuster films, attendance is down year to date. That is clearly not a good sign."

The Last Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan's epic flop at the box office, has become something of a poster child for all the expensive over-hyped promise of 3-D technology. Roger Ebert, who recently called Hollywood's rush to 3-D every film "suicidal" and described 3-D pricing as "a form of extortion for parents," saved a special dose of venom for the 3-D'd Airbender, calling it an "agonizing experience in every category I can think of and others still waiting to be invented." The Wall Street Journal's Joe Morgenstern was equally uncharitable, comparing Airbender to "a form of Chinese water torture."

While the film appeared to be no great shakes even in two dimensions, what unified most reviewers and viewers in protest was the extra mangling it took in 3-D. As Ebert put it, the process turned Airbender into "the drabbest, darkest, dingiest movie" he'd seen in years and hammered "a nail in the coffin of low-rent 3-D."

The problem with 3-D films is not just the high price of admission to see them. The technology process can make films noticeably darker and washed out, as if the projector lens were smeared with Vaseline. The 3-D process requires a scene to be separated into an image for each eye, making light levels about half that of 2-D films. Asked about his decision to keep his critically acclaimed movie, Inception, within the same old two dimensions, director Chris Nolan recently explained to an audience at the Hero Complex Film Festival that the quality of the technology was just not there yet, saying that he finds "the dimness of the image extremely alienating."

If price and quality concerns didn't spell enough trouble for the 3-D movement, Consumer Reports recently wrote how the brain's attempt to make sense of such 3-D images can cause headaches and eye strain in people with certain vision problems. That's not exactly what a parent wants to hear while being dragged into yet another 3-D showing of Toy Story 3.

The 2-D option is rising

Studios have generally brushed off concerns that they are killing their latest cash cow. While Disney (DIS, Fortune 500) CEO Bob Iger recently voiced concern over the sheer number of 3-D releases, Universal distribution president Nikki Rocco told The Hollywood Reporter, in his most abstruse studio-speak, that there remains "considerable incremental gross advantage to both distributors and exhibitors" in going with 3-D. As Hollywood.com's box-office stats show, despite declining movie consumption this year, studios are still making out like bandits, with high 3-D ticket prices helping to wrangle a 4% hike in running gross receipts.

But the revenue increase isn't a ringing endorsement of the technology by consumers. In fact, there is increasing evidence that they are not following the studios down the latest generational installment of the 3-D rabbit hole, one most notably separated from earlier attempts in the 1950s, 1960s and 1980s by a lack of colorful cardboard glasses or a previous skew towards horror, exploitation and soft-core porn -- though now all of that bounty appears on the way.

The crush of 3-D movies being offered this summer has whittled down the number of 3-D screens available for any single movie release. Since big movies require big releases, more 2-D screens are being used, providing people with the option to see the films in the regular format. When given the choice now, many are choosing to forego an expensive trip to an often-gimmicky third dimension.

While 3-D tickets accounted for 82% of the box-office revenue for Avatar when it was released in December, Universal's July 9th opening of Despicable Me took in an estimated 45% of its revenue from 3-D screens. It follows a pretty steady decline seen by other hot 3-D releases from Toy Story 3 and How to Train Your Dragon, to Tim Burton's remake of Alice in Wonderland.

Most interesting, according to Greenfield, is that in some cases movies with a wider release on 3-D screens are doing worse in terms of 3-D revenue than those that had more limited 3-D screen penetration. Shrek Forever After, for instance, brought in a smaller percentage of revenue from 3-D screens than How to Train a Dragon, despite being released on about 200 more 3-D screens. A "greater percentage of consumers simply opted to see the film in 2-D," he wrote in a May post on BTIG's blog, adding: "The last thing the industry needs is consumers starting to believe that 3-D is simply 'not worth it.'"

With Jackass 3-D on the way, Ebert may be more prescient with that hammer swing than even he could see.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/27/tech...tune/index.htm
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when they create the holodeck you let me know, using filters, polarized glasses, etc is just gimmicy and there are SO many drawbacks like poor color reproduction, narrow view angle, expense, people getting headaches, etc....
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when they create the holodeck you let me know, using filters, polarized glasses, etc is just gimmicy and there are SO many drawbacks like poor color reproduction, narrow view angle, expense, people getting headaches, etc....
If anything will kill 3D, it's hollywood's rush to monetize off of it.

Live events will drive 3D because they do give you the 'better than front seat'.

Personally I would rather just have 3D for live events and less cinema 3D.
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Originally Posted by ChodTheWacko
I remember reading that golf in 3D was actually quite interesting, since you had a better sense of the curvature of the ground.

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It's actually awesome, I was at the testing of the golf 3D in Augusta, GA where they initially tested the 3D rigs.
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Originally Posted by eclipse23
It's actually awesome, I was at the testing of the golf 3D in Augusta, GA where they initially tested the 3D rigs.
Eclipse is it you that Works with 3D production for sports events etc? I hate how now they are even trying to rip off cable customers with 3D ON DEMAND channels. It's turn in to such a gimmick that I truley think it can kill legit businesses like yours. (if it is indeed you im think of eclipse)
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Originally Posted by evilone
Eclipse is it you that Works with 3D production for sports events etc? I hate how now they are even trying to rip off cable customers with 3D ON DEMAND channels. It's turn in to such a gimmick that I truley think it can kill legit businesses like yours. (if it is indeed you im think of eclipse)
Well, like everyone else the companies are trying to find ways to monetize 3D. Their practices and process by which they do it is solely up to them but if done wrong consumers will not bite. 3D is here to stay in one form or another and the tech is getting better every day.
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I installed my first 3D set yesterday, a Samsung 7000 series LED. The kit we got was bundled with Monter's vs. Aliens. The 3D looked a lot better then I anticipated. I was not able to test any live event 3D but look forward to seeing how it looks soon.
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Originally Posted by 2001AudiS4
I installed my first 3D set yesterday, a Samsung 7000 series LED. The kit we got was bundled with Monter's vs. Aliens. The 3D looked a lot better then I anticipated. I was not able to test any live event 3D but look forward to seeing how it looks soon.
Is this yours personally? Our lab has every 3D tv made so far, I am definitely leaning towards Panasonic just for their consistent blacks.
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Is this yours personally? Our lab has every 3D tv made so far, I am definitely leaning towards Panasonic just for their consistent blacks.
No, he is an A/V installer for hire.
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"a nail in the coffin of low-rent 3-D."
The Last Airbender is to low-rent 3D movies as Showgirls was to mainstream NC-17 movies.
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I saw yesterday, that a 3D movie of a bombed out WW 2 city has been produced... I guess its a documentary... anyone know about this?
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Resistance Forms Against Hollywood’s 3-D Push

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Resist....html?x=0&.v=1

Resistance Forms Against Hollywood’s 3-D Push
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On Tuesday August 3, 2010, 5:52 pm EDT

LOS ANGELES — A joke making the rounds online involves a pair of red and green glasses and some blurry letters that say, “If you can’t make it good, make it 3-D.”

The fans of flat film have a motto. But do they have a movement?

While Hollywood rushes dozens of 3-D movies to the screen — nearly 60 are planned in the next two years, including “Saw VII” and “Mars Needs Moms!” — a rebellion among some filmmakers and viewers has been complicating the industry’s jump into the third dimension.

It’s hard to measure the audience resistance — online complaints don’t mean much when crowds are paying the premium 3-D prices. But filmmakers are another matter, and their attitudes may tell whether Hollywood’s 3-D leap is about to hit a wall.

Several influential directors took surprisingly public potshots at the 3-D boom during the recent Comic-Con International pop culture convention in San Diego.

“When you put the glasses on, everything gets dim,” said J. J. Abrams, whose two-dimensional “Star Trek” earned $385 million at the worldwide box office for Paramount Pictures last year.

Joss Whedon, who was onstage with Mr. Abrams, said that as a viewer, “I’m totally into it. I love it.” But Mr. Whedon then said he flatly opposed a plan by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer to convert “The Cabin in the Woods,” a horror film he produced but that has not yet been released, into 3-D. “What we’re hoping to do,” Mr. Whedon said, “is to be the only horror movie coming out that is not in 3-D.”

A spokesman for MGM declined to discuss “The Cabin in the Woods.” But one person who was briefed on the situation — and spoke on the condition of anonymity because the studio was in the middle of a difficult financial restructuring — said conversion remained an option.

Meanwhile, a spokesman for Marvel Entertainment said that studio had not decided on two or three dimensions for “Avengers,” a superhero film Mr. Whedon is directing.

With the enormous 3-D success of “Avatar,” directed by James Cameron, followed in short order by “Alice in Wonderland,” by Tim Burton, film marketing and distribution executives have been clamoring for more digitally equipped theaters to keep 3-D movies from crowding one another off the screen.
This is just under half of the article.
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I did my husbandly duties and took my wife to see step 3D since Im leaving her for 4 months. The movie itself was poop.

BUT...all the big dance battles were done REALLY well in 3D. It is, in fact, the best live action 3D I have seen to date.
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Originally Posted by eclipse23
If anything will kill 3D, it's hollywood's rush to monetize off of it.

Live events will drive 3D because they do give you the 'better than front seat'.

Personally I would rather just have 3D for live events and less cinema 3D.
Sorry to come out and disagree with you again but not only do I not like 3D at the movies, but I think 3D at home watching sports is an even worse idea. Ignoring the technology aspect of the bluring or any other problems with 3D technology, 3D viewing at home is simply impractical. I can budget my time to sit down for 2 hours for a movie late at night, but I have a completely different mindset for watching live events. There is no way that I can sit down for 3 hours to watch a live sporting event without getting up, walking around doing other work, check emails, responding to the needs of the kids, or some other distraction. Most of the other people I know are like this as well. Yeah, I might sit down and watch 3D for some big event like the Super Bowl, but for 99% of the time, there is no way that I'll be putting on and off a 3D glasses while doing other things.
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yeah, I also have no desire to watch 3D at home. seems frivolous.
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Shutter 3D is a waste and I can't stand it. I get annoyed every time someone tries to tell me that is "cool" or "amazing". The ONLY 3D I will tolerate and enjoy would be polarized. I think that home sets will be more appealing to people when they can just use passive glasses with a 2-layer polarized LCD. The technology to use it without glasses at all will take a while before you can do it with a large display. However you can already buy a polarized 3D LCD for a computer monitor and utilize passive glasses. No need for 120Hz output here, just two display outputs from the computer.
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3D makes me sick, 34DD makes me happy.

Honestly, they should just make holographic images already like in Star Wars and end 3D for good.
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Fears for future of 3D as films flop

It was hailed as the great saviour of the film industry, but since 3D technology propelled Avatar to a record-breaking $2.73bn box-office haul, fears are growing that Hollywood is endangering its profitable new format.

Several 3D films have topped the box office charts this year, including Alice in Wonderland and Clash of the Titans. Yet, a string of recent 3D films has stumbled at the box office, notably Cats & Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore, which flopped, and Step Up 3D, which made less than the first two films in the dance series, both of which were released in 2D.

Hollywood studios like 3D because consumers have so far been willing to pay a premium to see the films. But with 3D tickets costing as much as 50 per cent more than comparable 2D films, analysts have expressed doubts about whether consumer appetite for the format can be sustained – particularly if the films are poor.

“The studios and theatres are overpricing 3D films and there’s too much of it out there,” said Richard Greenfield, an analyst with BTIG Research.

“They are converting all of their movies into 3D without any regard to quality.”

A US ticket for Cats & Dogs, which was panned by critics, cost up to 50 per cent more than Christopher Nolan’s Inception, which was released in 2D recently to great critical acclaim. Yet Cats & Dogs cost less to make than Inception and was only converted into 3D after production had finished.

“Why should releasing a film in 3D and having the audience wear 3D glasses cost more?” asked Mr Greenfield.

The studios have packed their release schedules with 3D films: Tron: Legacy, The Green Hornet, Megamind and Yogi Bear are lined up for the coming months, while Avatar will be re-released in 3D at the end of August.

Proponents of 3D insist that it can be a powerful tool when used correctly. “It’s a tool for filmmakers and a premium entertainment experience for moviegoers,” says Rick Heineman, vice-president of marketing at RealD, which makes 3D projection systems for cinemas.

But other analysts say Hollywood is playing a risky game by betting on unwavering consumer enthusiasm for 3D – and for higher prices.

“The studios are guilty of short-term thinking,” says Brandon Gray, president of Box Office Mojo, which tracks film box-office performance. “They all jumped on the 3D bandwagon but they’re avoiding the real issue, which is their bankruptcy regarding storytelling.”
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3D will make a tastic film even more tastic.....and they want the consumer to pay more for it?!?!? puff-puff give-give
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while Avatar will be re-released in 3D at the end of August.
wtf... greedy ass sumbitches....
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Avatar works for me since I'm the idiot yet to see it. But yeah, I barely pay to see great movies at the theatres (still haven't seen Inception) let alone garbage movies and worse garbage movies at a premium.
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Re-release is adding eight more minutes to the movie, like it couldn't have been done the first time.
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wtf... greedy ass sumbitches....
Boy are you gonna be pissed when Back to the Future comes back to the big screen in October. (no 3D)
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Re-release is adding eight more minutes to the movie, like it couldn't have been done the first time.
8 more minutes are you serious????? Im gonna have to watch that sumbitch again???????? help me!!!!
Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Boy are you gonna be pissed when Back to the Future comes back to the big screen in October. (no 3D)
no 3D!?!?!?!? what a travesty!!!! contact your congressmen, call your senators, we need to get this HANDLED!!

actually, I will watch those again .

its one of the movies I remember being super excited to see when I was a kid - it was also one of the only movies I remember seeing the day it came out. and boy I loved it.
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Originally Posted by mcflyguy24
Haven't seen a 3D movie since the last Freddy Couger film.
I don't remember that movie too clearly. Was there a red Corvette in it?
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Boy are you gonna be pissed when Back to the Future comes back to the big screen in October. (no 3D)
wait it is???????
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and i want to pick up one of those new panasonic GT25 3D plasmas.
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Originally Posted by F-C
Sorry to come out and disagree with you again but not only do I not like 3D at the movies, but I think 3D at home watching sports is an even worse idea. Ignoring the technology aspect of the bluring or any other problems with 3D technology, 3D viewing at home is simply impractical. I can budget my time to sit down for 2 hours for a movie late at night, but I have a completely different mindset for watching live events. There is no way that I can sit down for 3 hours to watch a live sporting event without getting up, walking around doing other work, check emails, responding to the needs of the kids, or some other distraction. Most of the other people I know are like this as well. Yeah, I might sit down and watch 3D for some big event like the Super Bowl, but for 99% of the time, there is no way that I'll be putting on and off a 3D glasses while doing other things.

My advice to you is simply be patient. The focus groups I have seen show very positive responses for in home viewing esp. events where views presented are impossible sans front row seats.
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