Scrib

Builder put in a semi-crappy back sliding door and I've put up with it for a few winters... But it needs to go before the coming snow season.

Looked at Andersen and found one that I liked, however I don't think Andersen offers a model with blinds between the panes of glass. Is Pella the only manufacturer that does this?

I'm willing to spend a couple grand to get something of quality. I don't want to go completely overboard on this.

Thoughts?

The Dougler

iTrader: (1)

Someone told me those Pella's with the blinds in the middle break easy. They could be full of it, but I would look into that. As for glass Pella makes great stuff, so if the blinds in the middle are not actually highly susceptible to failure I would go for it.

csmeance

I don't know weather you can get this with the siding glass with blinds in the center, but opt for some Low - E windows, on my new house I got them and they help a lot by reducing the heat. I find that they have reduced my electrical bill a lot, maybe by 100 dollars.

Scrib

Yea, I'd go Low-E for sure. The door faces north, so we only get a touch of sun in the late evening hours, so I don't see gaining a tremendous benefit versus just having a better-quality, "tighter" door...

65 Fury Convert

Pella has a 20/10 warranty. 20 years on the glass and seals and 10 years on "non-glass"
components. They will ether repair or replace the defective part (with cost of labor included only within 2 years of the sale date) or they would refund the original purchase price.

AdamNJ

^ replacing the blinds (if you can) would be cheaper then buying another window...however I woudl be that in 10 years they probably tweak there design a little so the blinds you get in them now won't be available to fit your window...and then they force you to buy new ones or get regular blinds.

SaraWI

I used to sell new construction houses and have sold both Pella and Andersen. Pellas are ok. They have several levels of quality and the ones that have the blinds in them are the highest level. Yes, they have warranties but who wants to deal with broken crap even if it is covered? I have heard of problems with the blinds and with Pella. No confirmed sources, just hearsay, but I wouldn't opt to buy them, personally. Another thing to mention about Pella: the patio doors open on the opposite side than other doors. Pella thinks this is a weather resistant thing, but what it does is that it puts the screen on the inside so that you have to open the door, and then close the screen if you want the screen open only. Plus, you can't put a bar in the door jamb to secure it because the slider is on the outside. Serious food for thought.

Andersen is a much better window (door) but doesn't offer that blind thing. How about Eagle which is Andersen's high end line? Also, check into Marvin. Marvins are the best window on the market, if you ask me. I'm sure they have a blind option, but it will be pricey. Believe me, in terms of windows, you can never spend too much. Most of the energy lost in a home is through the windows and patio doors in particular need to fuction well and hold up since they are constantly used.

I'm no expert but spent a lot of time with people spending a lot of $$ on windows and patio doors so I needed to know what I was talking about. Do your homework and shop around. It's an important purchase.

dallison

replace with french doors?

Scrib

Considered it, but I would think those would be worse than a sliding door.

Scrib

I took a quick look at the Marvin products and just couldn't bring myself to consider spending that kind of $$$.

I'd also love to pull out all my windows, but there are 37 windows to replace which would exceed some third world country GDPs...

doopstr

We have an Andersen sliding door. The screen door is a POS. It's always falling off the track. I can't figure out why. It's a shame because the door itself is nice and built well.

Fibonacci

Not sure if they are the only ones, but Pella does also offer a French Door with the same feature. I would go , much more classy looking.

Worse in what way? We love ours.

Fibonacci

That makes no sense, I have not heard of that. A simple solution would be to get the French Door. It's pretty cool to open both doors on a nice breezy day.

SaraWI

Ok..let me explain. On a typical sliding patio door, the side that slides is normally on the inside of the house with the screen on the outside of the house. Pella puts the sliding part on the outside with the screen on the inside. This also makes the screen available to pets or kids since it is there on the inside of the house always. Plus, like I said, if you want to open the slider and keep the screen closed, you would have to open the slider and then close the screen from the inside. One more step than a typical patio door. Not to mention..this leaves the sliding door available to someone trying to break into the house by merely busting the track on the slider and taking the door off from the outside.

French doors are very pretty and nice, but they take up room to swing and if the door is wet, you're bringing in a wet door to the house to drip on the floor. In addition, if you want the door just cracked a little for a slight breeze, it's harder to keep a French door in place just cracked open without propping something against it.

Believe me, I've had hours of conversation with home buyers about these damn doors!!

SaraWI

I warned ya. lol

Fibonacci

1. We have plenty of room to swing the door open.

2. We don't usually open the door when it's raining.

3. A simple rubber door wedge works easily.



Get the Pella French door , you won't regret it.

Scrib

Found a local Eagle dealer. Their website blows, but I may go check them out.

Scrib

I'm just not convinced that french doors would seal any better than a well-made sliding door. Could be wrong.

The issue I also have with french doors is I would think I'd want them to open into the house, which would create a very tight space between the open door and the kitchen table. I suppose they could open towards the outside, but I'm not sure most people do it that way???

Fibonacci

I think they actually seal better if you buy a quality french door. Also, they are more secure since they aren't on a running track. Food for thought.


As for the swinging out instead of inwards, yes they are available - that only makes sense in a warm weather state.

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...583729257.html

Scrib

French doors are out... I've been told that going from a slider to french is a painful transition and given my northern exposure and Pella's confirmation that french doors are not as tight as sliders, I'll be saying put.

SaraWI

That's probably good since building code will not allow for an outswing if there is a step down from the door which there most likely is. Either way, I agree that a patio door is a better choice in this situation. Good luck with Eagle

Fibonacci

Link?

stogie1020

Inward swinging French doors are pretty easy for a hamburgler to force open, as well. Couple of good kicks right in the middle...

Fibonacci

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/loa...1583729257.html

I don't live in a high crime area, but that is what an alarm system and a shotgun is for.

Scrib

None. Going off of comments made by Pella.

Scrib

I've heard that Eagle isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

GreenMonster

I've got a cheap POS french door (only one side opens) that the PO installed, and I'd much rather have a slider... It's in a room that is an enclosed breezeway (it's not that wide), so there's not much room for a door that opens in. I would love to put slider. I think the PO went for looks before function...

GreenMonster

Most doors have screws to adjust the tension on the wheels that ride in the track. There's 2 different styles:

http://www.prime-line-products.com/howtoscreen.asp

Replacement rollers are sometimes needed to fix the problem (the box stores have 'em). They break, especially on older doors that get alot of traffic

doopstr

^Cool, I will see if I can fix 'er up.

Fibonacci

Comments made by Pella or someone trying to sell you a replacement slider?

It's your money dude, just a friendly suggestion, if you care about picking easy places to add resale value is the way to go. Also, go with an 8ft tall one - very nice.

doopstr

Ok I take back what I said about the screen door being a POS. I made the adjustments and now it's great. I give to my Andersen slider.

Scrib

I give up.

Fibonacci

Just seems like you were trying to talk yourself out of an easy upgrade. I just don't get the fascination about tight seals, they seal fine -- unless you regularly face gale force winds, wouldn't worry so much.

I just think sliders are cheaper looking, just my

Scrib

So I'm "considering" the Pella Designer series. However, the door would cost near $4,000 installed which I nearly vomited when I was told the number. I really want blinds between the glass, and Eagle is the only other manufacturer that carries that. Price-wise, the doors are pretty comparable, however. I seem to find that Pella is a superior door, though.

$4,000 for a freakin' door. Hate to get a quote on what it would take to do all my 37 windows.

Fibonacci

Already mentioned that you have northern exposure, whadya need the blinds for?

Scrib

Privacy

phil2

are you wacking it in the kitchen again?

Scrib

No but kitchen sex ftw!!!

doopstr

So what's the equivalent door without the built in blinds cost?

Fibonacci

Careful, you'll attract the D&R trolls like darksom who'll proclaim what a wild 'n crazy things he's got proclivity for cuz he's just one bad ass mofo.

But as for the blinds, the inside the glass ones are overrated, imo. If you really need the privacy, some nice drapery works just as well at night.