Need to replace the sliding patio door. Recommendations?
#1
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Need to replace the sliding patio door. Recommendations?
Builder put in a semi-crappy back sliding door and I've put up with it for a few winters... But it needs to go before the coming snow season.
Looked at Andersen and found one that I liked, however I don't think Andersen offers a model with blinds between the panes of glass. Is Pella the only manufacturer that does this?
I'm willing to spend a couple grand to get something of quality. I don't want to go completely overboard on this.
Thoughts?
Looked at Andersen and found one that I liked, however I don't think Andersen offers a model with blinds between the panes of glass. Is Pella the only manufacturer that does this?
I'm willing to spend a couple grand to get something of quality. I don't want to go completely overboard on this.
Thoughts?
#3
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I don't know weather you can get this with the siding glass with blinds in the center, but opt for some Low - E windows, on my new house I got them and they help a lot by reducing the heat. I find that they have reduced my electrical bill a lot, maybe by 100 dollars.
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Yea, I'd go Low-E for sure. The door faces north, so we only get a touch of sun in the late evening hours, so I don't see gaining a tremendous benefit versus just having a better-quality, "tighter" door...
#5
Pella has a 20/10 warranty. 20 years on the glass and seals and 10 years on "non-glass"
components. They will ether repair or replace the defective part (with cost of labor included only within 2 years of the sale date) or they would refund the original purchase price.
components. They will ether repair or replace the defective part (with cost of labor included only within 2 years of the sale date) or they would refund the original purchase price.
#6
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^ replacing the blinds (if you can) would be cheaper then buying another window...however I woudl be that in 10 years they probably tweak there design a little so the blinds you get in them now won't be available to fit your window...and then they force you to buy new ones or get regular blinds.
#7
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I used to sell new construction houses and have sold both Pella and Andersen. Pellas are ok. They have several levels of quality and the ones that have the blinds in them are the highest level. Yes, they have warranties but who wants to deal with broken crap even if it is covered? I have heard of problems with the blinds and with Pella. No confirmed sources, just hearsay, but I wouldn't opt to buy them, personally. Another thing to mention about Pella: the patio doors open on the opposite side than other doors. Pella thinks this is a weather resistant thing, but what it does is that it puts the screen on the inside so that you have to open the door, and then close the screen if you want the screen open only. Plus, you can't put a bar in the door jamb to secure it because the slider is on the outside. Serious food for thought.
Andersen is a much better window (door) but doesn't offer that blind thing. How about Eagle which is Andersen's high end line? Also, check into Marvin. Marvins are the best window on the market, if you ask me. I'm sure they have a blind option, but it will be pricey. Believe me, in terms of windows, you can never spend too much. Most of the energy lost in a home is through the windows and patio doors in particular need to fuction well and hold up since they are constantly used.
I'm no expert but spent a lot of time with people spending a lot of $$ on windows and patio doors so I needed to know what I was talking about. Do your homework and shop around. It's an important purchase.
Andersen is a much better window (door) but doesn't offer that blind thing. How about Eagle which is Andersen's high end line? Also, check into Marvin. Marvins are the best window on the market, if you ask me. I'm sure they have a blind option, but it will be pricey. Believe me, in terms of windows, you can never spend too much. Most of the energy lost in a home is through the windows and patio doors in particular need to fuction well and hold up since they are constantly used.
I'm no expert but spent a lot of time with people spending a lot of $$ on windows and patio doors so I needed to know what I was talking about. Do your homework and shop around. It's an important purchase.
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#9
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Originally Posted by dallison
replace with french doors? ![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
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I took a quick look at the Marvin products and just couldn't bring myself to consider spending that kind of $$$.
I'd also love to pull out all my windows, but there are 37 windows to replace which would exceed some third world country GDPs...
I'd also love to pull out all my windows, but there are 37 windows to replace which would exceed some third world country GDPs...
Originally Posted by SaraWI
I used to sell new construction houses and have sold both Pella and Andersen. Pellas are ok. They have several levels of quality and the ones that have the blinds in them are the highest level. Yes, they have warranties but who wants to deal with broken crap even if it is covered? I have heard of problems with the blinds and with Pella. No confirmed sources, just hearsay, but I wouldn't opt to buy them, personally. Another thing to mention about Pella: the patio doors open on the opposite side than other doors. Pella thinks this is a weather resistant thing, but what it does is that it puts the screen on the inside so that you have to open the door, and then close the screen if you want the screen open only. Plus, you can't put a bar in the door jamb to secure it because the slider is on the outside. Serious food for thought.
Andersen is a much better window (door) but doesn't offer that blind thing. How about Eagle which is Andersen's high end line? Also, check into Marvin. Marvins are the best window on the market, if you ask me. I'm sure they have a blind option, but it will be pricey. Believe me, in terms of windows, you can never spend too much. Most of the energy lost in a home is through the windows and patio doors in particular need to fuction well and hold up since they are constantly used.
I'm no expert but spent a lot of time with people spending a lot of $$ on windows and patio doors so I needed to know what I was talking about. Do your homework and shop around. It's an important purchase.![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
Andersen is a much better window (door) but doesn't offer that blind thing. How about Eagle which is Andersen's high end line? Also, check into Marvin. Marvins are the best window on the market, if you ask me. I'm sure they have a blind option, but it will be pricey. Believe me, in terms of windows, you can never spend too much. Most of the energy lost in a home is through the windows and patio doors in particular need to fuction well and hold up since they are constantly used.
I'm no expert but spent a lot of time with people spending a lot of $$ on windows and patio doors so I needed to know what I was talking about. Do your homework and shop around. It's an important purchase.
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#11
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We have an Andersen sliding door. The screen door is a POS. It's always falling off the track. I can't figure out why. It's a shame because the door itself is nice and built well.
#12
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Originally Posted by Scrib
Looked at Andersen and found one that I liked, however I don't think Andersen offers a model with blinds between the panes of glass. Is Pella the only manufacturer that does this?
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Considered it, but I would think those would be worse than a sliding door.
#13
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Originally Posted by SaraWI
Another thing to mention about Pella: the patio doors open on the opposite side than other doors. Pella thinks this is a weather resistant thing, but what it does is that it puts the screen on the inside so that you have to open the door, and then close the screen if you want the screen open only. Plus, you can't put a bar in the door jamb to secure it because the slider is on the outside. Serious food for thought.
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#14
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
That makes no sense, I have not heard of that. A simple solution would be to get the French Door. It's pretty cool to open both doors on a nice breezy day. ![Nod](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/nod.gif)
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French doors are very pretty and nice, but they take up room to swing and if the door is wet, you're bringing in a wet door to the house to drip on the floor. In addition, if you want the door just cracked a little for a slight breeze, it's harder to keep a French door in place just cracked open without propping something against it.
Believe me, I've had hours of conversation with home buyers about these damn doors!!
#15
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Originally Posted by Scrib
I took a quick look at the Marvin products and just couldn't bring myself to consider spending that kind of $$$.
I'd also love to pull out all my windows, but there are 37 windows to replace which would exceed some third world country GDPs...
I'd also love to pull out all my windows, but there are 37 windows to replace which would exceed some third world country GDPs...
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#16
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Originally Posted by SaraWI
French doors are very pretty and nice, but they take up room to swing and if the door is wet, you're bringing in a wet door to the house to drip on the floor. In addition, if you want the door just cracked a little for a slight breeze, it's harder to keep a French door in place just cracked open without propping something against it.
2. We don't usually open the door when it's raining.
3. A simple rubber door wedge works easily.
Get the Pella French door
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#17
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Originally Posted by SaraWI
Andersen is a much better window (door) but doesn't offer that blind thing. How about Eagle which is Andersen's high end line?
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
Not sure if they are the only ones, but Pella does also offer a French Door with the same feature. I would go
, much more classy looking. ![2 Cents](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/2cents.gif)
Worse in what way? We love ours.
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Worse in what way? We love ours.
The issue I also have with french doors is I would think I'd want them to open into the house, which would create a very tight space between the open door and the kitchen table. I suppose they could open towards the outside, but I'm not sure most people do it that way???
#19
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Originally Posted by Scrib
I'm just not convinced that french doors would seal any better than a well-made sliding door. Could be wrong.
As for the swinging out instead of inwards, yes they are available - that only makes sense in a warm weather state.
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load...583729257.html
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French doors are out... I've been told that going from a slider to french is a painful transition and given my northern exposure and Pella's confirmation that french doors are not as tight as sliders, I'll be saying put.
#21
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Originally Posted by Scrib
French doors are out... I've been told that going from a slider to french is a painful transition and given my northern exposure and Pella's confirmation that french doors are not as tight as sliders, I'll be saying put.
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#23
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Inward swinging French doors are pretty easy for a hamburgler to force open, as well. Couple of good kicks right in the middle...
#24
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
Inward swinging French doors are pretty easy for a hamburgler to force open, as well. Couple of good kicks right in the middle...
As a general rule out-swing doors are more secure, because you can't kick them in, but this is not a concern with the JELD-WEN, Anderson, and Pella In-swing french doors, because of the Multi-Point locking system.
I don't live in a high crime area, but that is what an alarm system and a shotgun is for.
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#26
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Originally Posted by SaraWI
That's probably good since building code will not allow for an outswing if there is a step down from the door which there most likely is. Either way, I agree that a patio door is a better choice in this situation. Good luck with Eagle ![Thumbs Up](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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Originally Posted by Scrib
French doors are out... I've been told that going from a slider to french is a painful transition and given my northern exposure and Pella's confirmation that french doors are not as tight as sliders, I'll be saying put.
#28
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Originally Posted by doopstr
The screen door is a POS. It's always falling off the track. I can't figure out why. It's a shame because the door itself is nice and built well.
http://www.prime-line-products.com/howtoscreen.asp
Replacement rollers are sometimes needed to fix the problem (the box stores have 'em). They break, especially on older doors that get alot of traffic
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#29
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^Cool, I will see if I can fix 'er up.
#30
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Originally Posted by Scrib
None. Going off of comments made by Pella.
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It's your money dude, just a friendly suggestion, if you care about picking easy places to add resale value
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#31
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Ok I take back what I said about the screen door being a POS. I made the adjustments and now it's great. I give
to my Andersen slider.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
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It's your money dude, just a friendly suggestion, if you care about picking easy places to add resale value
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#33
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Originally Posted by Scrib
I give up.
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I just think sliders are cheaper looking, just my
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#34
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So I'm "considering" the Pella Designer series. However, the door would cost near $4,000 installed which I nearly vomited when I was told the number. I really want blinds between the glass, and Eagle is the only other manufacturer that carries that. Price-wise, the doors are pretty comparable, however. I seem to find that Pella is a superior door, though.
$4,000 for a freakin' door. Hate to get a quote on what it would take to do all my 37 windows.
$4,000 for a freakin' door. Hate to get a quote on what it would take to do all my 37 windows.
#35
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Originally Posted by Scrib
So I'm "considering" the Pella Designer series.
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I really want blinds between the glass, and Eagle is the only other manufacturer that carries that. Price-wise, the doors are pretty comparable, however. I seem to find that Pella is a superior door, though.
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#39
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So what's the equivalent door without the built in blinds cost?
#40
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Originally Posted by Scrib
No but kitchen sex ftw!!!
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But as for the blinds, the inside the glass ones are overrated, imo. If you really need the privacy, some nice drapery works just as well at night.