Do you think having a security camera is good or bad?
#1
Do you think having a security camera is good or bad?
Thinking of installing a security camera system at home to monitor the exterior. Nothing fancy, just your average $300 DIY systems to you can get at Best Buy, such as 4 camera system with a recorder.
Good: When bad people see a camera pointing at them, they are less likely to do something bad. Next, move on to the next house.
Bad: When bad people see a camera pointing at them, do they think there must be something good and valuable at this house. If not, why the cameras?
Which statement do you agree with?
Good: When bad people see a camera pointing at them, they are less likely to do something bad. Next, move on to the next house.
Bad: When bad people see a camera pointing at them, do they think there must be something good and valuable at this house. If not, why the cameras?
Which statement do you agree with?
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If camera's were an effective deterrent, then people wouldn't be robbing liquor stores, kwik-E marts, banks, etc.
They're good to have so you have video of the person(s) messing with your stuff.
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I've installed a dozen or so for people. Some review them others not so much so.
Not in Florida....I know several people that had oddballs roaming around their property...when they clearly saw the camera. We get news reports all the time with clear video of people robbing a house...
But it still can be a deterrent.
Good: When bad people see a camera pointing at them, they are less likely to do something bad. Next, move on to the next house.
But it still can be a deterrent.
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I've seen plenty of videos where the perp looks right at the camera and doesn't care. Still I think they are great for helping to ID the idiot.
Some deterrents I can think of, in no particular order. Get a dog, a tough one, and make his presence known in the neighborhood. A lot of robberies happen during the day because no one is home. So if there is some way for someone, or your advertised dog, to be home regularly during the day that is great. Make sure your house is well lit at night. It doesn't need to be overly bright but all 4 sides should be lit. The more you can do to make your house visible from the street, the better. If you make your house a little more inconvenient than your neighbor's house then that is points for you.
Some deterrents I can think of, in no particular order. Get a dog, a tough one, and make his presence known in the neighborhood. A lot of robberies happen during the day because no one is home. So if there is some way for someone, or your advertised dog, to be home regularly during the day that is great. Make sure your house is well lit at night. It doesn't need to be overly bright but all 4 sides should be lit. The more you can do to make your house visible from the street, the better. If you make your house a little more inconvenient than your neighbor's house then that is points for you.
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Seem to be working for me so far.
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I hired a security company for a building in NYC years ago. The person at the security company suggested installing a mixture of real and fake cameras. The fake ones as a deterrent.
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The only camera that actually works well is one that can help you.
If you get a crap camera that can barely make out an intruder or person it's not going to help anyone when the need for the video comes. Spend a bit more money and get something good and also enjoy the discount on your homeowners insurance.
As well, investing in a security system like ADT or something of the nature is a good idea. Hell even putting the sign outside will hopefully prevent any nutjobs from wanting to do something criminal.
If you get a crap camera that can barely make out an intruder or person it's not going to help anyone when the need for the video comes. Spend a bit more money and get something good and also enjoy the discount on your homeowners insurance.
As well, investing in a security system like ADT or something of the nature is a good idea. Hell even putting the sign outside will hopefully prevent any nutjobs from wanting to do something criminal.
#9
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Why not hide the cameras? That way you get the creepers on camera if they decide to visit, yet you don't make your house more of an unnecessary target.
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#10
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Figure out that you have to become hard to keep it yours.
You have to be cruel, you have to kill them off just for looking.
Leave the bodies by the water hole so the rest will see.
Hang spent bullet cases from fishing line outside all the windows of your house.
Put up signs, "Please break in, I would love the opportunity to kill you legally."
You have to be cruel, you have to kill them off just for looking.
Leave the bodies by the water hole so the rest will see.
Hang spent bullet cases from fishing line outside all the windows of your house.
Put up signs, "Please break in, I would love the opportunity to kill you legally."
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i have my system set up as subtle as possible... white cameras against a white aluminium flashing tucked up under the eaves... the only giveaway with my cameras is at night when the night vision kicks on and you can see the red dots... my friend on the other hand has black cameras on his white house (it sticks out like a sore thumb and you can see it a mile away)... but he wants people to know he has cameras...
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I always feel the best deterrent for theft is not keep anything of value in your house and be discreet.
For example I have 100 g's and two Rolex's in a lock box under my bed with the key hanging on my dresser but I would never tell anybody or post about it.
Security cameras unfortunately are the norm these days. If you install one in your house you might feel safer but constantly check it.
A couple of tips:
Get your neighbors involved. (If you have good repore with them)
If you travel buy one of those lights with a timer on it.
Keep your valuables discreet and buy a safe or lock box to store them in.
If you live in an area that has a rate of break ins, move out!
For example I have 100 g's and two Rolex's in a lock box under my bed with the key hanging on my dresser but I would never tell anybody or post about it.
Security cameras unfortunately are the norm these days. If you install one in your house you might feel safer but constantly check it.
A couple of tips:
Get your neighbors involved. (If you have good repore with them)
If you travel buy one of those lights with a timer on it.
Keep your valuables discreet and buy a safe or lock box to store them in.
If you live in an area that has a rate of break ins, move out!
#17
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Some kids just set a bus on fire and didn't seem to give a shit that there were cameras.
#18
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Having security cameras can't hurt if used properly and when employed with other layers of security. Hard to say whether it is a deterrent or not but I do see people act differently once they spot the cameras.
It also helps catching jackass neighbors redhanded in allowing their dogs to crap everywhere then not pick up after the dogs. Of course they have the audacity to deny it even when the evidence says otherwise. The value of keeping jackasses like that in check is totally worth it.
My only bit of advice is to get something that is capable of AT LEAST 1080p and 15 fps. Lower resolution systems aren't that great for facial recognition and iffy to get license plate #s.
It also helps catching jackass neighbors redhanded in allowing their dogs to crap everywhere then not pick up after the dogs. Of course they have the audacity to deny it even when the evidence says otherwise. The value of keeping jackasses like that in check is totally worth it.
My only bit of advice is to get something that is capable of AT LEAST 1080p and 15 fps. Lower resolution systems aren't that great for facial recognition and iffy to get license plate #s.
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The answer is obvious. You need a better neighborhood.
I hate light pollution.
I've seen plenty of videos where the perp looks right at the camera and doesn't care. Still I think they are great for helping to ID the idiot.
Some deterrents I can think of, in no particular order. Get a dog, a tough one, and make his presence known in the neighborhood. A lot of robberies happen during the day because no one is home. So if there is some way for someone, or your advertised dog, to be home regularly during the day that is great. Make sure your house is well lit at night. It doesn't need to be overly bright but all 4 sides should be lit. The more you can do to make your house visible from the street, the better. If you make your house a little more inconvenient than your neighbor's house then that is points for you.
Some deterrents I can think of, in no particular order. Get a dog, a tough one, and make his presence known in the neighborhood. A lot of robberies happen during the day because no one is home. So if there is some way for someone, or your advertised dog, to be home regularly during the day that is great. Make sure your house is well lit at night. It doesn't need to be overly bright but all 4 sides should be lit. The more you can do to make your house visible from the street, the better. If you make your house a little more inconvenient than your neighbor's house then that is points for you.
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Was going to start a new thread but found this. Any recommendations for a good system for around $300?
Saw a few on amazon and there's one at costco I'm interested in...
white cameras would be a plus...960P if possible although I'm sure 760 could work fine...6 cameras which means basically we'd have to get the an 8 port hd receiver and either add on 2 cameras to a 4 camera set, or buy 8 and use what we need.
Samsung seems great, there's a cyber deal at Sam's Club but I don't like how they handle customer service which was why we dropped them in favor of costco in the first place.
Saw a few on amazon and there's one at costco I'm interested in...
white cameras would be a plus...960P if possible although I'm sure 760 could work fine...6 cameras which means basically we'd have to get the an 8 port hd receiver and either add on 2 cameras to a 4 camera set, or buy 8 and use what we need.
Samsung seems great, there's a cyber deal at Sam's Club but I don't like how they handle customer service which was why we dropped them in favor of costco in the first place.
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i installed a night owl system at my boss's house... install was decent... he actually bought it last year on black friday sale...
i have an LTS system at my house... it was overkill for the price but similar set up you are looking to do...
this is a great forum, i got my stuff there from the distributor...
https://ipcamtalk.com/
i have an LTS system at my house... it was overkill for the price but similar set up you are looking to do...
this is a great forum, i got my stuff there from the distributor...
https://ipcamtalk.com/
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Thanks Andrew...I'll look into that.
Justin, going 1080P ups the cost substantially and might be overkill.
Wife is pushing for it, especially with the baby. Plus, our front door is glass and there's no vantage point where you can see who's there without going to the door which then makes it obvious you're home and doesn't allow you to not answer.
Justin, going 1080P ups the cost substantially and might be overkill.
Wife is pushing for it, especially with the baby. Plus, our front door is glass and there's no vantage point where you can see who's there without going to the door which then makes it obvious you're home and doesn't allow you to not answer.
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if you aren't looking to go full blown IP cams and don't need 1080p... this is another decent system i just ordered for my friend... he set it up in his ~400 sq ft salon.. the GUI was decent and the setup was easy since i didn't have to worry about wiring up CAT5...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YZF88B4...ding=UTF8&th=1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YZF88B4...ding=UTF8&th=1
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Drew...thank you! I had that one in the cart originally.
this one had 5 stars...would have probably ordered last night...the non hard drive one was $140 prime...$200 shipped but NOT prime which deterred us because we like easy returns.
nothing but great reviews on it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A2DUEL9F0KYRPX
this one had 5 stars...would have probably ordered last night...the non hard drive one was $140 prime...$200 shipped but NOT prime which deterred us because we like easy returns.
nothing but great reviews on it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A2DUEL9F0KYRPX
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when it comes to security, please don't use this as your guiding principle. can you put a price on your family's safety? obviously not, that's the whole reason why you are even researching this right? i understand budget might be an issue but then you can do what i did... piece your system together over time if you can't swing cost up front... i bought the NVR and 2 cameras first... it ran me ~$600, then every month when he had a sale, i picked up another camera or two... so i wired up the most important areas first (i.e. driveway and back door) then as i got more cameras, was able to expand the footprint of visibility and cover the blind spots... ~$300-400 you are in for a penny, in for a pound... all in i'm close to $2k for my surveillance system... overkill? yes since i don't have any valuables in my house but i have the piece of mind to sleep at night...
if you are serious about it, let me know and i'll put you in touch with the vendor i used on that website... he was a great guy and it's basically Hikvision cameras rebranded to inhouse name...
if you are serious about it, let me know and i'll put you in touch with the vendor i used on that website... he was a great guy and it's basically Hikvision cameras rebranded to inhouse name...
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Johnny toiboys got me thinking to check costco always...
excellent return policies!
Never heard of these but seems okay reviews and a LOT for $300
Q-See 8-Channel HD Analog DVR with 2TB HDD, 8 1080p Cameras with 80' Night Vision
excellent return policies!
Never heard of these but seems okay reviews and a LOT for $300
Q-See 8-Channel HD Analog DVR with 2TB HDD, 8 1080p Cameras with 80' Night Vision
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Drew...thank you! I had that one in the cart originally.
this one had 5 stars...would have probably ordered last night...the non hard drive one was $140 prime...$200 shipped but NOT prime which deterred us because we like easy returns.
nothing but great reviews on it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZ78NV4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2DUEL9F0 KYRPX
this one had 5 stars...would have probably ordered last night...the non hard drive one was $140 prime...$200 shipped but NOT prime which deterred us because we like easy returns.
nothing but great reviews on it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LZ78NV4/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2DUEL9F0 KYRPX
IIRC Q-See is the same internals as NightOwl? i could be wrong though... that's still an awesome price...
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Well...I agree...but remember, I'm NRA supporter, active alarm, mean dogs, mean wife, and industrial locks on everything.
There's an equilibrium point for things for me where I'm just looking to add an extra aspect to the peace of mind, not really relying solely on it.
If a coconut goes missing, or something seems out of place, I want to be able to know what happened and have proof in case of damage by
neighbors etc.
To be honest...my main driving force is this crazy lady in the neighborhood that I've gotten into it with...she's not all there and I want to have video proof if she comes
and does voodoo on my doorstep.
There's an equilibrium point for things for me where I'm just looking to add an extra aspect to the peace of mind, not really relying solely on it.
If a coconut goes missing, or something seems out of place, I want to be able to know what happened and have proof in case of damage by
neighbors etc.
To be honest...my main driving force is this crazy lady in the neighborhood that I've gotten into it with...she's not all there and I want to have video proof if she comes
and does voodoo on my doorstep.
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just keep in mind that the difference between analog cameras and IP cameras has to do with the wire you run... for IP cameras, it is a CAT5 line with also supports PoE (power over ethernet) so it will draw the power for the camera in a single line... helps tremendously with fishing since a CAT 5 cable is less than 1/4"... smaller holes to drill...
with analog lines, you will be required to have a separate power source... it's basically coax and power... so be prepared to have 8 power bricks for 8 cameras where-ever you plan to have your DVR... and you have to drill a bigger hole to get the line through...
with analog lines, you will be required to have a separate power source... it's basically coax and power... so be prepared to have 8 power bricks for 8 cameras where-ever you plan to have your DVR... and you have to drill a bigger hole to get the line through...
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Yup. The amateurs will most likely be the ones that turn away. the crackheads don't care, and the professionals will have their techniques.
i think most of the petty break-ins are burglars looking for easy targets for a quick smash n grab... having a camera pointing at them will deter a majority of the criminals who want something inside your house (idiots aside)... it doesn't necessary advertise that you have something super valuable to hide but moreso that the homeowner is mindful of security (i don't keep cash or expensive jewelry in the house anyway)
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I don't rely on my neighbors to keep any eyes on my house because they're older and I don't want to base anything off of assuming that they would be aware
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I've been looking for a DVR setup like this for a while, my main issue is having to run wires through my attic. Any good reasonably priced ones with wireless ip cameras? I wouldn't mind running power, but having to run coax through the attic is next to impossible