So...f*ck you, supplements! (What happens beyond the hype)
#42
^same here
Has any thought been given as to HOW you should eat? I mean specifically I've read that it's bad to mix up starchy carbs + protein (especially animal protein) since they both require opposing enzymes from your digestive system in order to be digested and properly metabolized. If mixed, they "cancel" each other out, so to speak. Also I've read (from a different source) that consuming protein immediately following a workout isn't 100% necessary -- muscles don't require protein until several hours after a workout. Is there any truth to this?
Has any thought been given as to HOW you should eat? I mean specifically I've read that it's bad to mix up starchy carbs + protein (especially animal protein) since they both require opposing enzymes from your digestive system in order to be digested and properly metabolized. If mixed, they "cancel" each other out, so to speak. Also I've read (from a different source) that consuming protein immediately following a workout isn't 100% necessary -- muscles don't require protein until several hours after a workout. Is there any truth to this?
#43
^same here
Has any thought been given as to HOW you should eat? I mean specifically I've read that it's bad to mix up starchy carbs + protein (especially animal protein) since they both require opposing enzymes from your digestive system in order to be digested and properly metabolized. If mixed, they "cancel" each other out, so to speak. Also I've read (from a different source) that consuming protein immediately following a workout isn't 100% necessary -- muscles don't require protein until several hours after a workout. Is there any truth to this?
Has any thought been given as to HOW you should eat? I mean specifically I've read that it's bad to mix up starchy carbs + protein (especially animal protein) since they both require opposing enzymes from your digestive system in order to be digested and properly metabolized. If mixed, they "cancel" each other out, so to speak. Also I've read (from a different source) that consuming protein immediately following a workout isn't 100% necessary -- muscles don't require protein until several hours after a workout. Is there any truth to this?
When in doubt, consume your protein throughout the day in lean sources supplemented with a good complex carbohydrate (sweet potatoes, vegetables, etc).
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#45
My advice regarding protein consumption would be to make sure you get 20g or more as soon as you're done with your workout. The body is constantly repairing itself so as soon as you tear down your muscle fibers from a good workout the body will begin repairing those fibers which makes them grow back stronger. By not providing the fuel (protein) needed to repair those muscles you're delaying the recovery process. Some people will consume protein prior to a workout so that from the very first rep their body has the fuel needed for recovery, however I believe the energy required to break down the protein takes too much away from your workout.
When in doubt, consume your protein throughout the day in lean sources supplemented with a good complex carbohydrate (sweet potatoes, vegetables, etc).
When in doubt, consume your protein throughout the day in lean sources supplemented with a good complex carbohydrate (sweet potatoes, vegetables, etc).
I'm just wondering if there's more to consider as far as how you should eat. Is there more to it all than just simply "take in a steady amount of protein, carbs, and fats throughout the day" ? Especially considering what I've been reading about consuming protein + starchy carbs..
#46
Yeah, I understand all that. I was moreso wondering about how you should take in protein, carbs, and fats in the hours to come after a workout. I do my workouts in the morning so I have at least 12 hours of food consumption to consider. I mean, does your body's need for protein really skyrocket 7+ hours after a workout? Or is it just constant throughout the day?
I'm just wondering if there's more to consider as far as how you should eat. Is there more to it all than just simply "take in a steady amount of protein, carbs, and fats throughout the day" ? Especially considering what I've been reading about consuming protein + starchy carbs..
I'm just wondering if there's more to consider as far as how you should eat. Is there more to it all than just simply "take in a steady amount of protein, carbs, and fats throughout the day" ? Especially considering what I've been reading about consuming protein + starchy carbs..
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Rapture (01-14-2014)
#47
#48
i wish my schedule wasnt so awkwardly variable and chaotic... makes this all so difficult, especially the all nighters i have to pull, definitely wreaks havoc on my body. i've been up for nearly 24 hours, have to be up till atleast 10pm tonight, and then back up by 6am. congrats on you though, im all for minimizing supplements, it can all be found in food, the right food
#49
#50
Since I started I went from a 270 lbs back squat to 305 lbs (full depth - hip crease below the knee crease, none of this barely parallel crap), and a 325 deadlift to 410 in 6 months. I also went from weighing 170 lbs to 158 in the same time period.
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#51
i wish my schedule wasnt so awkwardly variable and chaotic... makes this all so difficult, especially the all nighters i have to pull, definitely wreaks havoc on my body. i've been up for nearly 24 hours, have to be up till atleast 10pm tonight, and then back up by 6am. congrats on you though, im all for minimizing supplements, it can all be found in food, the right food
#55
Vitamin D is one to get, IMO. Naturally most people don't get enough of it, specially if you live in the North and don't walk outside naked.
I also use Turmeric in both capsules and spices (with black pepper). My memory improved substantially with it.
Also daily capsules of fish oil, vitamin C, vitamin E and an half of an aspirine daily.
I use resveratrol (extract of red wine), but I have not much to substantiate a real benefit.
I restrict permanently my calories and I keep my proteins low. I trust plant-based diet, but I am not going there 100%. I eat a lot of vegetables (including raw garlic).
Yeah I must be some kind of supplement freak. Yet going to 48 and doing all this for years, my blood pressure is one of a teenager at 109/70, so is the appearance of my body and my skin is great, so I'll continue.
I also use Turmeric in both capsules and spices (with black pepper). My memory improved substantially with it.
Also daily capsules of fish oil, vitamin C, vitamin E and an half of an aspirine daily.
I use resveratrol (extract of red wine), but I have not much to substantiate a real benefit.
I restrict permanently my calories and I keep my proteins low. I trust plant-based diet, but I am not going there 100%. I eat a lot of vegetables (including raw garlic).
Yeah I must be some kind of supplement freak. Yet going to 48 and doing all this for years, my blood pressure is one of a teenager at 109/70, so is the appearance of my body and my skin is great, so I'll continue.
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corrado85 (10-05-2015)
#58
BTW, I started using cayenne pepper supplements since a few days. Either I am hallucinating or I can feel a difference in energy.
#60
GNC, Target, Wal-Mart, Walgreens accused of selling adulterated ?herbals? - The Washington Post
A warning to herbal supplement users: Those store-brand ginkgo biloba tablets you bought may contain mustard, wheat, radish and other substances decidedly non-herbal in nature, but they’re not likely to contain any actual ginkgo biloba.
That’s according to an investigation by the New York State attorney general’s office into store-brand supplements at four national retailers — GNC, Target, Walgreens and Wal-Mart. All four have received cease-and-desist letters demanding that they stop selling a number of their dietary supplements, few of which were found to contain the herbs shown on their labels and many of which included potential allergens not identified in the ingredients list.
“Contamination, substitution and falsely labeling herbal products constitute deceptive business practices and, more importantly, present considerable health risks for consumers,” said the letters, first reported today by the New York Times.
The tests were conducted using a process called DNA barcoding, which identifies individual ingredients through a kind of “genetic fingerprinting.” The investigators tested 24 products claiming to be seven different types of herb — echinacea, garlic, gingko biloba, ginseng, saw palmetto, St. John’s wort and valerian root. All but five of the products contained DNA that was either unrecognizable or from a plant other than what the product claimed to be.
Additionally, five of the 24 contained wheat and two contained beans without identifying them on the labels — both substances are known to cause allergic reactions in some people.
[How a fake doctor made millions from ‘the Dr. Oz Effect’ and a bogus weight-loss supplement]
Of the four retailers, Wal-Mart was the worst offender: None of its six supplements that were tested was found to contain purely the ingredient advertised. Target’s supplements were the least misleading of the lot — though that isn’t saying much, since tests on six of the brand’s products resulted in only one unqualified positive. Two of Target’s other supplements contained DNA from other plants alongside their purported ingredients, while the remaining three tested negative.
Harvard Medical School assistant professor Pieter Cohen, who is an expert on supplement safety, told the New York Times that the test results were so extreme he found them hard to accept. He suggested that the manufacturing process may have destroyed some of the ingredients’ DNA, rendering the DNA barcode test ineffective.
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On the other hand, he said, “if this data is accurate, then it is an unbelievably devastating indictment of the industry.”
This investigation is just the latest in a series of blows against the dietary supplement industry. Supplements are not considered food or drugs, so they have long been only loosely regulated. Federal guidelines require companies to ensure that their products are safe and accurately labeled, but the FDA has little power to enforce that rule.
[Half of Dr. Oz’s medical advice is baseless or wrong, study says]
A 2012 paper published in the Journal of the American Medical Association warned that this lack of regulation of the supplement industry could lead to “adverse events.” In the past five years, tainted supplements have been associated with kidney failure, hepatitis and other problems.
Ginkgo biloba capsules. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Also in 2012, the Department of Health and Human Services released a report saying that supplements’ claims about their structure and function often lack scientific support. HHS recommended that the FDA seek “explicit statutory authority to review substantiation for structure/function claims” — essentially, it should subject the health claims made by supplement manufacturers to the same kind of scrutiny that drugs must undergo.
The New York attorney general’s letters also cited a 2013 Canadian study of 44 common supplements, in which one-third of herbal supplements that were tested contained no trace of the plant advertised on the bottle.
The Canadian study “alerted the dietary supplement industry to the fact that it is not providing the public with authentic products without substitution, contamination or fillers. It is disappointing that over a year later the attorney general’s researcher reached similar conclusions,” the letters chastised, sounding like a frustrated parent.
In response to the findings, Walgreens told the New York Times that it would remove the offending products from its shelves nationwide, while spokesmen for Wal-Mart and GNC both said that the companies would respond “appropriately.” Target did not respond to requests for comment.
The study was prompted by a Times article that raised questions about the supplements.
That’s according to an investigation by the New York State attorney general’s office into store-brand supplements at four national retailers — GNC, Target, Walgreens and Wal-Mart. All four have received cease-and-desist letters demanding that they stop selling a number of their dietary supplements, few of which were found to contain the herbs shown on their labels and many of which included potential allergens not identified in the ingredients list.
“Contamination, substitution and falsely labeling herbal products constitute deceptive business practices and, more importantly, present considerable health risks for consumers,” said the letters, first reported today by the New York Times.
The tests were conducted using a process called DNA barcoding, which identifies individual ingredients through a kind of “genetic fingerprinting.” The investigators tested 24 products claiming to be seven different types of herb — echinacea, garlic, gingko biloba, ginseng, saw palmetto, St. John’s wort and valerian root. All but five of the products contained DNA that was either unrecognizable or from a plant other than what the product claimed to be.
Additionally, five of the 24 contained wheat and two contained beans without identifying them on the labels — both substances are known to cause allergic reactions in some people.
[How a fake doctor made millions from ‘the Dr. Oz Effect’ and a bogus weight-loss supplement]
Of the four retailers, Wal-Mart was the worst offender: None of its six supplements that were tested was found to contain purely the ingredient advertised. Target’s supplements were the least misleading of the lot — though that isn’t saying much, since tests on six of the brand’s products resulted in only one unqualified positive. Two of Target’s other supplements contained DNA from other plants alongside their purported ingredients, while the remaining three tested negative.
Harvard Medical School assistant professor Pieter Cohen, who is an expert on supplement safety, told the New York Times that the test results were so extreme he found them hard to accept. He suggested that the manufacturing process may have destroyed some of the ingredients’ DNA, rendering the DNA barcode test ineffective.
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On the other hand, he said, “if this data is accurate, then it is an unbelievably devastating indictment of the industry.”
This investigation is just the latest in a series of blows against the dietary supplement industry. Supplements are not considered food or drugs, so they have long been only loosely regulated. Federal guidelines require companies to ensure that their products are safe and accurately labeled, but the FDA has little power to enforce that rule.
[Half of Dr. Oz’s medical advice is baseless or wrong, study says]
A 2012 paper published in the Journal of the American Medical Association warned that this lack of regulation of the supplement industry could lead to “adverse events.” In the past five years, tainted supplements have been associated with kidney failure, hepatitis and other problems.
Ginkgo biloba capsules. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
Also in 2012, the Department of Health and Human Services released a report saying that supplements’ claims about their structure and function often lack scientific support. HHS recommended that the FDA seek “explicit statutory authority to review substantiation for structure/function claims” — essentially, it should subject the health claims made by supplement manufacturers to the same kind of scrutiny that drugs must undergo.
The New York attorney general’s letters also cited a 2013 Canadian study of 44 common supplements, in which one-third of herbal supplements that were tested contained no trace of the plant advertised on the bottle.
The Canadian study “alerted the dietary supplement industry to the fact that it is not providing the public with authentic products without substitution, contamination or fillers. It is disappointing that over a year later the attorney general’s researcher reached similar conclusions,” the letters chastised, sounding like a frustrated parent.
In response to the findings, Walgreens told the New York Times that it would remove the offending products from its shelves nationwide, while spokesmen for Wal-Mart and GNC both said that the companies would respond “appropriately.” Target did not respond to requests for comment.
The study was prompted by a Times article that raised questions about the supplements.
#61
^ read that myself earlier. I really only take multi-v's and fish oil and while I do feel like I'm getting a benefit (skin and hair have improved, sleep more soundly, more energy throughout the day) I do wonder (and hope..) there's a way to verify it does contain all of what it says it contains. Like if there was a 3rd party, similar to the article.
That way you know you're getting more than powdered rice.
That way you know you're getting more than powdered rice.
#63
This is funny
Alan Thrall's Supplement Stack
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...AsVYTq5mBjIHdg
BTW this guy has EXCELLENT lifting form videos. Helped with my squat, front squat, and overhead press.
Alan Thrall's Supplement Stack
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...AsVYTq5mBjIHdg
BTW this guy has EXCELLENT lifting form videos. Helped with my squat, front squat, and overhead press.
#64
Lawsuits Say Protein Powders Lack Protein, Ripping Off Athletes - Forbes
That's it guys. None of these can be trusted anymore. The only one I've read that did have the protein it said was Optimum Nutrition.
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So I guess ON can be trusted. Carry on.
That's it guys. None of these can be trusted anymore. The only one I've read that did have the protein it said was Optimum Nutrition.
..
So I guess ON can be trusted. Carry on.
#65
I like reviews from this site https://labdoor.com/how-labdoor-test...ry-supplements They send the samples to the FDA to measure content. They actually rated ON pretty well and I also liked the tropical punch flavored whey. I'm using Isopure now which is also rated pretty high but a little pricier.
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Rapture (03-18-2015)
#66
^ Thanks for that!
Sadly they don't have Vitamin Shoppe/Bodytech protein powder. That's the stuff I usually get. BOGO half off twice a year, get 20 lbs of protein powder for $150. Sadly it's not listed on that site. Can't find any other 3rd party site that rates it.
But again I heard Bodytech pro 24 is a ripoff of ON gold standard formula...
Sadly they don't have Vitamin Shoppe/Bodytech protein powder. That's the stuff I usually get. BOGO half off twice a year, get 20 lbs of protein powder for $150. Sadly it's not listed on that site. Can't find any other 3rd party site that rates it.
But again I heard Bodytech pro 24 is a ripoff of ON gold standard formula...
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justnspace (03-18-2015)
#69
^not hating nor trying to derail the convo ya'll had going on.
but with the studies that both of you provided reinforces deathmetals thread!
when I worked at a gym, those two products; the ISOpure and the ON whey products were my go-to's.
but with the studies that both of you provided reinforces deathmetals thread!
when I worked at a gym, those two products; the ISOpure and the ON whey products were my go-to's.
#70
Yes I have foregone BCAA's, Fish oil, Vitamin C, and have focused more on diet. I lift heavy and do high intensity cardio after so the meals after are when I usually eat my carbs for the day. Typically any meals before my workouts (bfast, lunch) I try not to eat too much bread. I'm still getting stronger with improving cardio sessions so I'll stick to Isopure, Vitamin D, and a multi till I hit a rut. And if I even hit a rut, I'd probably alter the workout before adding supps.
#71
I feel like this thread is the most relevant to post this:
https://www.nj.com/business/2020/06/...-10-in-nj.html
And speaking of which, did anyone else get an email about some class action lawsuit involving GNC? Some garbage about the settlement reached over issues with supplement information, pricing, something of that nature. Claimants receive a fking coupon for more GNC products Good riddance.
https://www.nj.com/business/2020/06/...-10-in-nj.html
Nutrition supplement retailer GNC announced Tuesday night it has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and plans to close up to 1,200 stores, including at least 10 in New Jersey, as the company searches for a buyer.
GNC warned in early May that bankruptcy and store closures were looming. The company said it would have to “implement a restructuring plan” as the coronavirus pandemic led to a plummet of sales, down 10.1% in the first quarter compared to 2019.
GNC has about 5,200 stores in the U.S., including about 1,600 Rite Aid licensed store-within-a-store locations.
The brick-and-mortar retail industry already had been suffering, but the coronavirus has wreaked additional havoc on chains.
GNC warned in early May that bankruptcy and store closures were looming. The company said it would have to “implement a restructuring plan” as the coronavirus pandemic led to a plummet of sales, down 10.1% in the first quarter compared to 2019.
GNC has about 5,200 stores in the U.S., including about 1,600 Rite Aid licensed store-within-a-store locations.
The brick-and-mortar retail industry already had been suffering, but the coronavirus has wreaked additional havoc on chains.
And speaking of which, did anyone else get an email about some class action lawsuit involving GNC? Some garbage about the settlement reached over issues with supplement information, pricing, something of that nature. Claimants receive a fking coupon for more GNC products Good riddance.
#73
I've started using and ordering from a company called Legion Athletics. They seem to make a pretty quality products. Mostly just protein and a trying their pre-workout drink. I do want to try their multi vitamin or fish oil at some point.
#75
Supplements for me since forever: barley-grass powder with fruit juice in mornings and before dinner with water. Aside from that, it's mostly Costco stuff like vitamin B, D, C...and I also will on occasion consume some ginseng and a probiotic. That's the extent of it. I do not care for protein powders and etc. Tried creatine back in college and gave up on that after about half a year...
#79