2012 TL SH-AWD 6mt vs 6at
05-06-2011, 02:22 AM
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2012 TL SH-AWD 6mt vs 6at
I'm having a hard time finding a straight answer via search or Acura.com - can someone please help? Aside from the transmission, associated gear ratios, and final drive ratio, are there any other differences between the 6MT and 6AT models in the 2012 model year when equipped with SH-AWD? Where can I find the documentation on this? TIA
05-06-2011, 10:43 AM
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Choose "Acura" then the 2012 TL and then find the "Specifications" release. It'll give item by item specs and note differences between the AT and MT.
This: http://www.hondanews.com/channels/ac...specifications
Choose "Acura" then the 2012 TL and then find the "Specifications" release. It'll give item by item specs and note differences between the AT and MT.
This: http://www.hondanews.com/channels/ac...specifications
05-06-2011, 03:31 PM
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MT...you will work more when driving but most definitely fun. There's something about controlling a powerful engine. On a different note, i wish the steering would have been "not as soft."
05-06-2011, 05:20 PM
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It's really personal prefference. In terms of weight, I would think the AT TL weighs more than the MT TL maybe 70-100lbs. As for which is faster, it all depends on the driver. Just like drag racing, if you're really good at shifting and don't miss any gears the MT car will win but AT cars are more consistent and ussually win out.
Just figure out how to take some weight out of the AT car and it's definitley faster.
Just figure out how to take some weight out of the AT car and it's definitley faster.
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05-06-2011, 05:56 PM
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Curb Weight TL w/ Technology Package
TL SH-AWD® 3,982 lb (1,806 kg)
TL SH-AWD® 6MT 3,889 lb (1,764 kg)
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Curb Weight TL w/ Technology Package
TL SH-AWD® 3,982 lb (1,806 kg)
TL SH-AWD® 6MT 3,889 lb (1,764 kg)
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05-06-2011, 06:08 PM
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From Acura:
The TL SH-AWD 6MT has unique dual-stage hydraulic "blow-off" suspension dampers that receive fine tuning for use with the 6MT model based on its lighter weight and more aggressive handling capabilities. The front dampers for the manual transmission equipped TL incorporate 5-percent more tension damping during low piston speeds to generate improved turn-in feel. In addition, the front dampers generate 14-percent less high speed compression damping which helps improve ride quality.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT employs more performance minded engine and transmission bushings that better resist engine and/or transmission movement during aggressive handling. Engine side mount bushing stiffness increases by 80-percent, front mount rate increases by 17-percent, rear hydro mount firmness increases by 50-percent and the transmission upper mount is stiffened by 100-percent.
For TL SH-AWD 6MT applications, special heavy-duty front driveshafts are used. In addition to being 2-percent larger in diameter (26.5 mm versus 26 mm), the driveshafts have a larger inboard spline size (32 mm versus 30 mm) and team with more heavy-duty CV joints.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT model, the EPS system is further tuned to deliver a slightly heavier feel as speed increases thus generating more confident mid- to high-speed driving dynamics.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT has unique dual-stage hydraulic "blow-off" suspension dampers that receive fine tuning for use with the 6MT model based on its lighter weight and more aggressive handling capabilities. The front dampers for the manual transmission equipped TL incorporate 5-percent more tension damping during low piston speeds to generate improved turn-in feel. In addition, the front dampers generate 14-percent less high speed compression damping which helps improve ride quality.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT employs more performance minded engine and transmission bushings that better resist engine and/or transmission movement during aggressive handling. Engine side mount bushing stiffness increases by 80-percent, front mount rate increases by 17-percent, rear hydro mount firmness increases by 50-percent and the transmission upper mount is stiffened by 100-percent.
For TL SH-AWD 6MT applications, special heavy-duty front driveshafts are used. In addition to being 2-percent larger in diameter (26.5 mm versus 26 mm), the driveshafts have a larger inboard spline size (32 mm versus 30 mm) and team with more heavy-duty CV joints.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT model, the EPS system is further tuned to deliver a slightly heavier feel as speed increases thus generating more confident mid- to high-speed driving dynamics.
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05-07-2011, 06:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jspagna1
.... In terms of weight, I would think the AT TL weighs more than the MT TL maybe 70-100lbs. ....
I must be on ignore.
Quote:
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Curb Weight TL w/ Technology Package
TL SH-AWD® 3,982 lb (1,806 kg)
TL SH-AWD® 6MT 3,889 lb (1,764 kg)
Hey so I was right, the AT TL weighs exactly 93lbs more than the MT TL.
Originally Posted by jspagna1
.... In terms of weight, I would think the AT TL weighs more than the MT TL maybe 70-100lbs. ....
I must be on ignore.
Quote:
....
Curb Weight TL w/ Technology Package
TL SH-AWD® 3,982 lb (1,806 kg)
TL SH-AWD® 6MT 3,889 lb (1,764 kg)
Hey so I was right, the AT TL weighs exactly 93lbs more than the MT TL.
05-07-2011, 02:42 PM
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One other thing to remember as the final drive numbers indicate, the manual will run about 500 rpm higher at highway speeds than the auto. This is true of all Acura and Honda models for some reason.
05-07-2011, 08:23 PM
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From Acura:
The TL SH-AWD 6MT has unique dual-stage hydraulic "blow-off" suspension dampers that receive fine tuning for use with the 6MT model based on its lighter weight and more aggressive handling capabilities. The front dampers for the manual transmission equipped TL incorporate 5-percent more tension damping during low piston speeds to generate improved turn-in feel. In addition, the front dampers generate 14-percent less high speed compression damping which helps improve ride quality.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT employs more performance minded engine and transmission bushings that better resist engine and/or transmission movement during aggressive handling. Engine side mount bushing stiffness increases by 80-percent, front mount rate increases by 17-percent, rear hydro mount firmness increases by 50-percent and the transmission upper mount is stiffened by 100-percent.
For TL SH-AWD 6MT applications, special heavy-duty front driveshafts are used. In addition to being 2-percent larger in diameter (26.5 mm versus 26 mm), the driveshafts have a larger inboard spline size (32 mm versus 30 mm) and team with more heavy-duty CV joints.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT model, the EPS system is further tuned to deliver a slightly heavier feel as speed increases thus generating more confident mid- to high-speed driving dynamics.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT has unique dual-stage hydraulic "blow-off" suspension dampers that receive fine tuning for use with the 6MT model based on its lighter weight and more aggressive handling capabilities. The front dampers for the manual transmission equipped TL incorporate 5-percent more tension damping during low piston speeds to generate improved turn-in feel. In addition, the front dampers generate 14-percent less high speed compression damping which helps improve ride quality.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT employs more performance minded engine and transmission bushings that better resist engine and/or transmission movement during aggressive handling. Engine side mount bushing stiffness increases by 80-percent, front mount rate increases by 17-percent, rear hydro mount firmness increases by 50-percent and the transmission upper mount is stiffened by 100-percent.
For TL SH-AWD 6MT applications, special heavy-duty front driveshafts are used. In addition to being 2-percent larger in diameter (26.5 mm versus 26 mm), the driveshafts have a larger inboard spline size (32 mm versus 30 mm) and team with more heavy-duty CV joints.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT model, the EPS system is further tuned to deliver a slightly heavier feel as speed increases thus generating more confident mid- to high-speed driving dynamics.
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From Acura:
The TL SH-AWD 6MT has unique dual-stage hydraulic "blow-off" suspension dampers that receive fine tuning for use with the 6MT model based on its lighter weight and more aggressive handling capabilities. The front dampers for the manual transmission equipped TL incorporate 5-percent more tension damping during low piston speeds to generate improved turn-in feel. In addition, the front dampers generate 14-percent less high speed compression damping which helps improve ride quality.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT employs more performance minded engine and transmission bushings that better resist engine and/or transmission movement during aggressive handling. Engine side mount bushing stiffness increases by 80-percent, front mount rate increases by 17-percent, rear hydro mount firmness increases by 50-percent and the transmission upper mount is stiffened by 100-percent.
For TL SH-AWD 6MT applications, special heavy-duty front driveshafts are used. In addition to being 2-percent larger in diameter (26.5 mm versus 26 mm), the driveshafts have a larger inboard spline size (32 mm versus 30 mm) and team with more heavy-duty CV joints.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT model, the EPS system is further tuned to deliver a slightly heavier feel as speed increases thus generating more confident mid- to high-speed driving dynamics.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT has unique dual-stage hydraulic "blow-off" suspension dampers that receive fine tuning for use with the 6MT model based on its lighter weight and more aggressive handling capabilities. The front dampers for the manual transmission equipped TL incorporate 5-percent more tension damping during low piston speeds to generate improved turn-in feel. In addition, the front dampers generate 14-percent less high speed compression damping which helps improve ride quality.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT employs more performance minded engine and transmission bushings that better resist engine and/or transmission movement during aggressive handling. Engine side mount bushing stiffness increases by 80-percent, front mount rate increases by 17-percent, rear hydro mount firmness increases by 50-percent and the transmission upper mount is stiffened by 100-percent.
For TL SH-AWD 6MT applications, special heavy-duty front driveshafts are used. In addition to being 2-percent larger in diameter (26.5 mm versus 26 mm), the driveshafts have a larger inboard spline size (32 mm versus 30 mm) and team with more heavy-duty CV joints.
The TL SH-AWD 6MT model, the EPS system is further tuned to deliver a slightly heavier feel as speed increases thus generating more confident mid- to high-speed driving dynamics.
I've been looking around recently for another car and have actively pursued the Carrera 4S.
But I still surprise myself every once in a while by driving my 2010 TL 6-6 and thinking, "What a nice car."
It's just a very nice package overall...a very nice car for people who don't want to spend a fortune on their cars and want to remain engaged with their driving.
And when you add into the package the remarkable ELS Audio system and a navigation system that is clearly superior to cars that cost over twice as much...well, I keep putting off the purchase of cars I thought I'd be enamoured off just because...well...it's just a very nice car that I'm already driving. :-)
One caution I would have to people looking to buy the 6-6 SH-AWD is that it is not a car that you can ignore when you are driving it. If you do a lot of long commuting, you have to really like driving to have this car. If you think you're going to be able to ignore it and have your senses on automatic the way that you would with your Cadillac CTS, you will not like it. With Acura SH-AWD, small movements of the steering wheel, the kind of movements the Cadillac would ignore (or that a non-sports differential Audi would ignore) produce movements in the Acura.
Just be prepared for the fact that it is more a driver's car and less a luxury car.
I do not like the Acura 6AT or 5AT as a substitute for the 6-6. I don't like paddle shifters on the steering wheel because in aggressive driving on the track you're going to be shuffle steering and the paddles will not be where you want them to be.
Further, this is more a conventional automatic that just has a way to manually shift it. It's not like it's a rally sequential shifter or a PDK. PDK is awesome...but the kinds of cars that Acura designs, we're not going to have anything close to the PDK for quite a while.
If you really like driving and you're not afraid to get stuck in traffic with a six speed, then the 6-6 is way, way ahead of an Acura automatic as an enthusiast's daily driver.
For whatever one dumb old man's opinion is worth, of course.
05-08-2011, 10:39 AM
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^^^^^ What is a 6-6 ?
05-08-2011, 11:22 AM
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But I totally agree though, the TL 6MT has enough "stuff" to hold its own, at least for a while.
Find me another car that has a nicer combo of interior design/nav/decent family comfort/low maintenance/AWD/6spd manual/smooth V6 power/reasonable price. Pretty hard IMHO.
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