Lots of A-SPEC Interest, What about the Advance?
06-18-2017, 10:06 AM
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Lots of A-SPEC Interest, What about the Advance?
Has anyone seen one in person yet, driven one (and even better, got to drive both the A-SPEC and the Advance), considering one over the A-SPEC...? Unfortunately here in the U.S. the A-SPEC is lacking a lot of useful features (at least to me) that would steer me into the Advance over the A-SPEC.
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06-18-2017, 10:56 AM
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Driving experience is more important to me than features, so I skipped the Advance. I assume that the transmission, suspension, wheel/tire size, etc are the same as the 2017 base I tested, and the interior features are the same (with minor differences) as the A-Spec I now lease, so I didn't test drive the Advance. Would be nice to see the surround camera in action, though.
06-18-2017, 02:14 PM
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I would not get the Aspec mainly due to the fake suede seats. How these higher end car manufacturers keep brain washing us consumers that this alcantara crap is better somehow then leather is beyond me.
06-18-2017, 03:58 PM
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BTW, the red does not have fake suede
06-18-2017, 05:10 PM
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Fake suede or not those damn seats are comfortable.
06-18-2017, 05:58 PM
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One of the problems is the basic name.
A common myth about Alcantara is that it's made from the skin of the wild Alcantar — a llama/ostrich hybrid from the borderlands between Peru and Greece whose massive thigh haunches are used to make those huge cones of gyro meat.
A little bit of research proves that this isn't true, since not only is the animal fictitious, but Peru and Greece don't seem to share a border. And science doesn't yet actually know where gyro meat comes from. The actual truth is far more shocking: Alcantara is basically Ultrasuede.
Yes, Ultrasuede. The name "Ultrasuede" has a sort of Disco-decadent 70s sort of feel, so it's not too surprising that luxury car makers aren't too eager to use that term in their advertising. In fact, aside from "Corinthian leather," I can't think of a seat-upholstery material that feels more '70s.
There's a reason for that. Ultrasuede was born in 1970 to Dr. Miyoshi Okamoto working for Toray Industries in Japan. It's a synthetic microfiber fabric:
Fabric content ranges from 80% polyester non-woven (100% recycled ultra-microfiber) and 20% non-fibrous polyurethane to 65% polyester and 35% polyurethane depending on the product line.[3]
[4] Ultrasuede feels like natural suede, but it is resistant to stains and discoloration; it can be washed in a washing machine. It has a woven fabric surface, but resists pilling or fraying because it is combined with a polyurethane foam in a non-woven structure. As with its Italian sister fabric, Alcantara, automotive grade Ultrasuede meets OEM specifications as well as FMVSS302 flammability requirements for automotive use[5] as well as it being virtually identical on both sides, making it somewhat reversible.
Microfibers are, essentially, fabrics made from really, really small fibers. Duh. The fibers are so small that a pound of them would be enough to span the distance from the earth to the moon. These fibers are beaten around in all kinds of brutal ways, including something called "needle punching" and are impregnated with an adhesive binder. At that point, they give up and agree to become fake suede.
A common myth about Alcantara is that it's made from the skin of the wild Alcantar — a llama/ostrich hybrid from the borderlands between Peru and Greece whose massive thigh haunches are used to make those huge cones of gyro meat.
A little bit of research proves that this isn't true, since not only is the animal fictitious, but Peru and Greece don't seem to share a border. And science doesn't yet actually know where gyro meat comes from. The actual truth is far more shocking: Alcantara is basically Ultrasuede.
Yes, Ultrasuede. The name "Ultrasuede" has a sort of Disco-decadent 70s sort of feel, so it's not too surprising that luxury car makers aren't too eager to use that term in their advertising. In fact, aside from "Corinthian leather," I can't think of a seat-upholstery material that feels more '70s.
There's a reason for that. Ultrasuede was born in 1970 to Dr. Miyoshi Okamoto working for Toray Industries in Japan. It's a synthetic microfiber fabric:
Fabric content ranges from 80% polyester non-woven (100% recycled ultra-microfiber) and 20% non-fibrous polyurethane to 65% polyester and 35% polyurethane depending on the product line.[3]
[4] Ultrasuede feels like natural suede, but it is resistant to stains and discoloration; it can be washed in a washing machine. It has a woven fabric surface, but resists pilling or fraying because it is combined with a polyurethane foam in a non-woven structure. As with its Italian sister fabric, Alcantara, automotive grade Ultrasuede meets OEM specifications as well as FMVSS302 flammability requirements for automotive use[5] as well as it being virtually identical on both sides, making it somewhat reversible.
Microfibers are, essentially, fabrics made from really, really small fibers. Duh. The fibers are so small that a pound of them would be enough to span the distance from the earth to the moon. These fibers are beaten around in all kinds of brutal ways, including something called "needle punching" and are impregnated with an adhesive binder. At that point, they give up and agree to become fake suede.
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06-18-2017, 06:28 PM
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I like the alcantara and Ive had it in a few vehicles before, the TLX probably being the best Ive experienced. Its grippier then leather and I find its not as hot in the summer. I picked up an Ugg Boot care kit to use on the alcantara. It comes with a cleaner, protector and a brush to keep the fibres up.
Ive seen one Elite/Advanced model. The interior reminded me of the MDX. It had real wood which I think is Ash instead of the last years plastic "wood" and the seats had the contrast colours on the stitiching and piping.
Ive seen one Elite/Advanced model. The interior reminded me of the MDX. It had real wood which I think is Ash instead of the last years plastic "wood" and the seats had the contrast colours on the stitiching and piping.
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06-18-2017, 07:10 PM
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I've read every review I could find. The conclusion I've drawn is that the Advance drives just a smigen better than the 2017. That's a shame because the Advance is a really nice package that deserves better handling dynamics.i think an Advance with A-Spec handling would encroach upon a BMW 528i. Acura missed an opportunity there.
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06-18-2017, 08:20 PM
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A common myth about Alcantara is that it's made from the skin of the wild Alcantar — a llama/ostrich hybrid from the borderlands between Peru and Greece whose massive thigh haunches are used to make those huge cones of gyro meat. A little bit of research proves that this isn't true, since not only is the animal fictitious, but Peru and Greece don't seem to share a border. And science doesn't yet actually know where gyro meat comes from. The actual truth is far more shocking: Alcantara is basically Ultrasuede.
06-18-2017, 08:24 PM
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One of the problems is the basic name.
A common myth about Alcantara is that it's made from the skin of the wild Alcantar — a llama/ostrich hybrid from the borderlands between Peru and Greece whose massive thigh haunches are used to make those huge cones of gyro re's a reason ....
A common myth about Alcantara is that it's made from the skin of the wild Alcantar — a llama/ostrich hybrid from the borderlands between Peru and Greece whose massive thigh haunches are used to make those huge cones of gyro re's a reason ....
Best post of CY2017.
Respect.
06-18-2017, 08:29 PM
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I've read every review I could find. The conclusion I've drawn is that the Advance drives just a smigen better than the 2017. That's a shame because the Advance is a really nice package that deserves better handling dynamics.i think an Advance with A-Spec handling would encroach upon a BMW 528i. Acura missed an opportunity there.
I saw a red one with A-Spec in my local dealership a few days ago - yes, it does look very nice indeed! The new grille looks great and the overall design execution is very well-done.
06-18-2017, 08:31 PM
#12
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If I am not mis-reading the Acura.ca and Acura.com sites, then it appears that the Advance (or Elite in Canada) trim is indeed available with A-Spec in Canada.
I saw a red one with A-Spec in my local dealership a few days ago - yes, it does look very nice indeed! The new grille looks great and the overall design execution is very well-done.
I saw a red one with A-Spec in my local dealership a few days ago - yes, it does look very nice indeed! The new grille looks great and the overall design execution is very well-done.
06-18-2017, 08:37 PM
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My CTS-V wagon has Alcantara. It's easy to maintain. After 4 1/2 years, it looks good as new on the seats. It feels great.
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06-19-2017, 06:26 AM
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One of the problems is the basic name.
A common myth about Alcantara is that it's made from the skin of the wild Alcantar — a llama/ostrich hybrid from the borderlands between Peru and Greece whose massive thigh haunches are used to make those huge cones of gyro meat.
A little bit of research proves that this isn't true, since not only is the animal fictitious, but Peru and Greece don't seem to share a border. And science doesn't yet actually know where gyro meat comes from. The actual truth is far more shocking: Alcantara is basically Ultrasuede.
Yes, Ultrasuede. The name "Ultrasuede" has a sort of Disco-decadent 70s sort of feel, so it's not too surprising that luxury car makers aren't too eager to use that term in their advertising. In fact, aside from "Corinthian leather," I can't think of a seat-upholstery material that feels more '70s.
There's a reason for that. Ultrasuede was born in 1970 to Dr. Miyoshi Okamoto working for Toray Industries in Japan. It's a synthetic microfiber fabric:
Fabric content ranges from 80% polyester non-woven (100% recycled ultra-microfiber) and 20% non-fibrous polyurethane to 65% polyester and 35% polyurethane depending on the product line.[3]
[4] Ultrasuede feels like natural suede, but it is resistant to stains and discoloration; it can be washed in a washing machine. It has a woven fabric surface, but resists pilling or fraying because it is combined with a polyurethane foam in a non-woven structure. As with its Italian sister fabric, Alcantara, automotive grade Ultrasuede meets OEM specifications as well as FMVSS302 flammability requirements for automotive use[5] as well as it being virtually identical on both sides, making it somewhat reversible.
Microfibers are, essentially, fabrics made from really, really small fibers. Duh. The fibers are so small that a pound of them would be enough to span the distance from the earth to the moon. These fibers are beaten around in all kinds of brutal ways, including something called "needle punching" and are impregnated with an adhesive binder. At that point, they give up and agree to become fake suede.
A common myth about Alcantara is that it's made from the skin of the wild Alcantar — a llama/ostrich hybrid from the borderlands between Peru and Greece whose massive thigh haunches are used to make those huge cones of gyro meat.
A little bit of research proves that this isn't true, since not only is the animal fictitious, but Peru and Greece don't seem to share a border. And science doesn't yet actually know where gyro meat comes from. The actual truth is far more shocking: Alcantara is basically Ultrasuede.
Yes, Ultrasuede. The name "Ultrasuede" has a sort of Disco-decadent 70s sort of feel, so it's not too surprising that luxury car makers aren't too eager to use that term in their advertising. In fact, aside from "Corinthian leather," I can't think of a seat-upholstery material that feels more '70s.
There's a reason for that. Ultrasuede was born in 1970 to Dr. Miyoshi Okamoto working for Toray Industries in Japan. It's a synthetic microfiber fabric:
Fabric content ranges from 80% polyester non-woven (100% recycled ultra-microfiber) and 20% non-fibrous polyurethane to 65% polyester and 35% polyurethane depending on the product line.[3]
[4] Ultrasuede feels like natural suede, but it is resistant to stains and discoloration; it can be washed in a washing machine. It has a woven fabric surface, but resists pilling or fraying because it is combined with a polyurethane foam in a non-woven structure. As with its Italian sister fabric, Alcantara, automotive grade Ultrasuede meets OEM specifications as well as FMVSS302 flammability requirements for automotive use[5] as well as it being virtually identical on both sides, making it somewhat reversible.
Microfibers are, essentially, fabrics made from really, really small fibers. Duh. The fibers are so small that a pound of them would be enough to span the distance from the earth to the moon. These fibers are beaten around in all kinds of brutal ways, including something called "needle punching" and are impregnated with an adhesive binder. At that point, they give up and agree to become fake suede.
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06-19-2017, 06:52 AM
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I seen it in person at the dealership. It looks much better in person and it does smell a lot better then the regular TLX leather seats. I also saw the red leather seats in person and I like them a lot actually. If it came in a 6MT or a DCT it would have my interest.
06-19-2017, 07:50 AM
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...and there was no such leather as Corinthian Leather - Ricardo Montalban could sell a chastity belt to Marilyn Chambers. It was 'high-end' vinyl. I actually like the Alcantara pseudo-suede.
06-19-2017, 08:29 AM
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But fellow Canadians, do not celebrate yet - we miss out on the gorgeous grey exterior colour for A-Spec and some colour combinations are not available - for instance, if you want the beautiful blue exterior colour, then you cannot get the red leather interior in Canada.... YIKES!
06-19-2017, 08:14 PM
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I've read every review I could find. The conclusion I've drawn is that the Advance drives just a smigen better than the 2017. That's a shame because the Advance is a really nice package that deserves better handling dynamics.i think an Advance with A-Spec handling would encroach upon a BMW 528i. Acura missed an opportunity there.
06-19-2017, 08:49 PM
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If I am not mis-reading the Acura.ca and Acura.com sites, then it appears that the Advance (or Elite in Canada) trim is indeed available with A-Spec in Canada.
I saw a red one with A-Spec in my local dealership a few days ago - yes, it does look very nice indeed! The new grille looks great and the overall design execution is very well-done.
I saw a red one with A-Spec in my local dealership a few days ago - yes, it does look very nice indeed! The new grille looks great and the overall design execution is very well-done.
Yes, the A-spec also involves different dampeners and suspension adjustments to make it handle better along with (from what I am gathering) sharper transmission tuning for a more sporty driving experience.
06-19-2017, 09:52 PM
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The A-Spec also has 19" wheels and wider rubber. I can assure you that the suspension and tire changes work very well.
06-20-2017, 06:22 PM
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Has anyone compared tech/advanced pkg between 2017 and 2018? If we skip talk about a-spec for a moment, is it worth to pay the premium for 2018 non aspecs?
Also has anone who has 16 or 17 shawd with decent after market tire/wheel combo compared handling with a-spec shawd? I am interested how much of better handling of aspec is due to wheel/tire and how much due to other changes like suspension, spring rates, sway bar etc?
Also has anone who has 16 or 17 shawd with decent after market tire/wheel combo compared handling with a-spec shawd? I am interested how much of better handling of aspec is due to wheel/tire and how much due to other changes like suspension, spring rates, sway bar etc?
06-20-2017, 06:57 PM
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Very little off the handling benefits are arrived from the tires. The suspension and steering feel on a A-spec represent a drastic improvement over my 2015 SHAWD with Continental DWS 245/55/18 tires. It's not even close. My suggestion is to halt the comparos between 2015-2107 and the 2018 A-spec. Go drive the car and you'll see that there's no comparison other than the 9 speed transmission that every now and then reminds you it's a vastly improved, but not perfect version of your not well liked old friend.
Has anyone compared tech/advanced pkg between 2017 and 2018? If we skip talk about a-spec for a moment, is it worth to pay the premium for 2018 non aspecs?
Also has anone who has 16 or 17 shawd with decent after market tire/wheel combo compared handling with a-spec shawd? I am interested how much of better handling of aspec is due to wheel/tire and how much due to other changes like suspension, spring rates, sway bar etc?
Also has anone who has 16 or 17 shawd with decent after market tire/wheel combo compared handling with a-spec shawd? I am interested how much of better handling of aspec is due to wheel/tire and how much due to other changes like suspension, spring rates, sway bar etc?
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06-21-2017, 01:04 AM
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I do wish that we had the grey exterior with A-Spec in Canada though - what a beautiful exterior colour that we are missing here.
06-21-2017, 11:21 AM
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06-21-2017, 03:53 PM
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Very little off the handling benefits are arrived from the tires. The suspension and steering feel on a A-spec represent a drastic improvement over my 2015 SHAWD with Continental DWS 245/55/18 tires. It's not even close. My suggestion is to halt the comparos between 2015-2107 and the 2018 A-spec. Go drive the car and you'll see that there's no comparison other than the 9 speed transmission that every now and then reminds you it's a vastly improved, but not perfect version of your not well liked old friend.
06-21-2017, 05:52 PM
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This is far from the truth, I personally purchased an A-Spec and not only does it feel amazing, they are solid and probably the best seats ive had out of all my Acura's. In reality, all my previous Acura's leather warped and didnt hold up well over time, this seems to actually hold up better not to mention is cooler to the touch than leather when its over 100 degrees here in so cal.
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06-21-2017, 10:33 PM
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This is far from the truth, I personally purchased an A-Spec and not only does it feel amazing, they are solid and probably the best seats ive had out of all my Acura's. In reality, all my previous Acura's leather warped and didnt hold up well over time, this seems to actually hold up better not to mention is cooler to the touch than leather when its over 100 degrees here in so cal.
06-22-2017, 02:05 PM
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Has anyone seen one in person yet, driven one (and even better, got to drive both the A-SPEC and the Advance), considering one over the A-SPEC...? Unfortunately here in the U.S. the A-SPEC is lacking a lot of useful features (at least to me) that would steer me into the Advance over the A-SPEC.
Are there any suspension differences between A-Spec and Advanced aside for the wheels?
06-22-2017, 03:06 PM
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To me alcantara is fine. Holds you in place well. No heated steering wheel and lack of auto dimming side mirrors (safety issue) are bothering me though.
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06-22-2017, 03:28 PM
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Key Chassis Features
TLX and TLX with Technology Package
TLX and TLX with Technology Package
- NEW: 17-inch aluminum alloy wheels
- 225/55R17 high-performance all-season tires
- MacPherson strut front suspension
- Multi-link rear suspension
- Amplitude Reactive Dampers
- Front Cast-Aluminum and Steel Subframe
- Rear steel subframe
- Motion-Adaptive Electric Power Steering (MA-EPS)
- Agile Handling Assist (AHA)
- Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®)
- Integrated Dynamic System (IDS)
- Motion-Adaptive Electric Power Steering (MA-EPS)
- Precision All-Wheel Steer™ (P-AWS)
- 4-wheel disc brakes with ABS
- Premium Bosch 6-piston brake modulator
- Electronic Brake Distribution with Brake Assist
- Electric Parking Brake and Hill Start Assist
- Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) and Fill Assist
- Tire repair kit
- Capless fueling system
- 17.2-gallon fuel capacity
- NEW: Available 18-inch 15-spoke aluminum alloy wheels (Advance Package)
- 18-inch split 5-spoke aluminum alloy wheels
- 225/50R18 high-performance all-season tires
- Available Super Handling All-Wheel Drive™ (SH-AWD®)
- NEW: 19-inch aluminum alloy wheels
- NEW: 245/40R19 high-performance all-season tires
- Revised EPS, P-AWS and ASC settings
- Revised damper rates
- Revised springs and rear stabilizer bar (SH-AWD® only)
06-24-2017, 02:06 PM
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In my opinion, Honda frankly doesn't do a great job explaining the spec differences. I'm not really sure if Acura.com is more accurate, or the press release is. Is the press release just incomplete, missing the Advance specs, or is Acura.com wrong?
Compare the steering ratios, for example. The press release and Acura.com (USA) match for the base trim and Tech package TLX V6 SH-AWD with a 16.1:1 ratio and the TLX V6 A-Spec SH-AWD at 15.1:1. Acura.com, however, lists the TLX V6 SH-AWD with Advance package at 15.0:1 while the press release doesn't specifically mention the Advance package steering ratio. So is the Advance actually 15.0 or is it also 16.1?
Then there's the rear stabilizer bar. Press release has the TLX V6 SH-AWD at 24.7. On Acura.com, only the I4 is listed at 24.7. Every V6 trim, A-Spec or not, is listed at 25.4. So which is correct?
06-24-2017, 02:28 PM
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Does this help? It seems fairly clear to me, anyway.
http://acuranews.com/acura-automobil...and-features-2
http://acuranews.com/acura-automobil...and-features-2
06-24-2017, 02:34 PM
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Does this help? It seems fairly clear to me, anyway.
2018 Acura TLX Specifications and Features - Specs & Features - Acura News
2018 Acura TLX Specifications and Features - Specs & Features - Acura News
06-24-2017, 02:47 PM
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Basically, what I read is regardless of whether it's a Tech or Advance...
Steering Ratio:
TLX I4 FWD = 15.0
TLX V6 FWD = 14.6
TLX V6 SH-AWD = 16.1
TLX V6 FWD A-Spec = 14.6
TLX V6 SH-AWD A-Spec = 15.1
Now the real question is what happens to the 4-cylinder FWD w/ A-Spec? Are they still 15.0?? I need to lie down for a minute.
Edit: I just remembered you can't get an Advance A-Spec in the US, so if you're looking at a V6 SH-AWD Advance, then the steering ratio, according to the official press kit, is indeed 16.1, and if you switch to the V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, that quickens to a 15.1. We're fortunate up here in Canada where we can get the A-Spec, including the faster 15.1 steering ratio, along with all the Elite (equivalent to US Advance) goodies.
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06-25-2017, 11:08 AM
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It comes from the 2018 TLX press release directly from Honda: 2018 Acura TLX Press Kit - Chassis - Honda.com
In my opinion, Honda frankly doesn't do a great job explaining the spec differences. I'm not really sure if Acura.com is more accurate, or the press release is. Is the press release just incomplete, missing the Advance specs, or is Acura.com wrong?
Compare the steering ratios, for example. The press release and Acura.com (USA) match for the base trim and Tech package TLX V6 SH-AWD with a 16.1:1 ratio and the TLX V6 A-Spec SH-AWD at 15.1:1. Acura.com, however, lists the TLX V6 SH-AWD with Advance package at 15.0:1 while the press release doesn't specifically mention the Advance package steering ratio. So is the Advance actually 15.0 or is it also 16.1?
Then there's the rear stabilizer bar. Press release has the TLX V6 SH-AWD at 24.7. On Acura.com, only the I4 is listed at 24.7. Every V6 trim, A-Spec or not, is listed at 25.4. So which is correct?
In my opinion, Honda frankly doesn't do a great job explaining the spec differences. I'm not really sure if Acura.com is more accurate, or the press release is. Is the press release just incomplete, missing the Advance specs, or is Acura.com wrong?
Compare the steering ratios, for example. The press release and Acura.com (USA) match for the base trim and Tech package TLX V6 SH-AWD with a 16.1:1 ratio and the TLX V6 A-Spec SH-AWD at 15.1:1. Acura.com, however, lists the TLX V6 SH-AWD with Advance package at 15.0:1 while the press release doesn't specifically mention the Advance package steering ratio. So is the Advance actually 15.0 or is it also 16.1?
Then there's the rear stabilizer bar. Press release has the TLX V6 SH-AWD at 24.7. On Acura.com, only the I4 is listed at 24.7. Every V6 trim, A-Spec or not, is listed at 25.4. So which is correct?
Does this help? It seems fairly clear to me, anyway.
2018 Acura TLX Specifications and Features - Specs & Features - Acura News
2018 Acura TLX Specifications and Features - Specs & Features - Acura News
You're right, there are information gaps in there for sure, but I would go with the info from the press release, but that's just me.
Basically, what I read is regardless of whether it's a Tech or Advance...
Steering Ratio:
TLX I4 FWD = 15.0
TLX V6 FWD = 14.6
TLX V6 SH-AWD = 16.1
TLX V6 FWD A-Spec = 14.6
TLX V6 SH-AWD A-Spec = 15.1
Now the real question is what happens to the 4-cylinder FWD w/ A-Spec? Are they still 15.0?? I need to lie down for a minute.
Edit: I just remembered you can't get an Advance A-Spec in the US, so if you're looking at a V6 SH-AWD Advance, then the steering ratio, according to the official press kit, is indeed 16.1, and if you switch to the V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, that quickens to a 15.1. We're fortunate up here in Canada where we can get the A-Spec, including the faster 15.1 steering ratio, along with all the Elite (equivalent to US Advance) goodies.
Basically, what I read is regardless of whether it's a Tech or Advance...
Steering Ratio:
TLX I4 FWD = 15.0
TLX V6 FWD = 14.6
TLX V6 SH-AWD = 16.1
TLX V6 FWD A-Spec = 14.6
TLX V6 SH-AWD A-Spec = 15.1
Now the real question is what happens to the 4-cylinder FWD w/ A-Spec? Are they still 15.0?? I need to lie down for a minute.
Edit: I just remembered you can't get an Advance A-Spec in the US, so if you're looking at a V6 SH-AWD Advance, then the steering ratio, according to the official press kit, is indeed 16.1, and if you switch to the V6 SH-AWD A-Spec, that quickens to a 15.1. We're fortunate up here in Canada where we can get the A-Spec, including the faster 15.1 steering ratio, along with all the Elite (equivalent to US Advance) goodies.
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