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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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why do people pull the drunk card?

I get that when you're drunk sometimes you don't act like yourself but they also say that the truth comes out. Why do people do things, like say make out with someone, and then pull the I was drunk card?

Some girl pulled this shit on my buddy and I don't get how one can say things and do things like that and say "well i was trashed". She claims its not an excuse, and that they are probably in diff places right now, i.e. she just wants to date. Well thats cool, but the reason for lookin into someone's eyes intensely and kissing them (in a supposed drunk state) has to be rooted from something.

I'm sure guys do this too, but it still makes no sense to me. I've been extremely drunk before, but 1, I always remember what I did and what happened and 2, I never do anything I shouldn't or didn't mean. Others are probably different.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Being drunk is in a way like a truth serum as you said...

If I were you buddy, I'd drop her like a bad habit.

Then again, I've made it a rule never to date a person who finds her jollies from trashing herself with alcohol...that in itself shows a good level of her level of responsibility and self-restraint--which is next to zip seeing how she likes to be excessive to the point she loses control of herself.

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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:41 AM
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They were out partying for a friend's bday, cheap open bar is bad news sometimes. She normally doesn't get trashed, this was cause it was her 3 good friend's bdays, they were havin a good time. Not defending the excessive drinking, cause a lot of us have been there, its ok in my book as long as its not a habit.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
They were out partying for a friend's bday, cheap open bar is bad news sometimes. She normally doesn't get trashed, this was cause it was her 3 good friend's bdays, they were havin a good time. Not defending the excessive drinking, cause a lot of us have been there, its ok in my book as long as its not a habit.
Ah...well, still inexcusable IMO. Even if you are intoxicated, you still know what you are doing. The truth comes out easier...that's all.


Put it this way, if you were to extend the drunk-excuse why don't really drunk guys just suddenly turn :ghey: and go make out with each other...?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:54 AM
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Here's another drunk card that I've seen pulled: A guy is loud and in your face talking shit and then when he shoves you, you're not supposed to drop him to the lawn with a haymaker, because he's drunk and wouldn't have done that sober.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 11:54 AM
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True point, the truth does come out. She probably just said those things (after the fact) cause she was embarrassed and didn't want to admit her feeling. They have always had unsaid attraction towards each other, so maybe it was just the fear of how it came out. She's going to study abroad for a few months so not like they really could (or should IMO) start anything. Maybe when she gets back and if they are up for it.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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Although alcohol can lower your inhibitions or cause blackouts (real), it's not an excuse.

It doesn't matter how drunk I am, if I'm in a relationship I don't do what she did and would expect it in from a GF in return. She's not trust worthy and probably not in the same frame as your buddy.

It's OK, though. Because she showed her cards. Hopefully this came up early in their affair.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 01:54 PM
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+1 for truth serum
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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It just means you would do stuff you've always wanted to do, but when you're drunk, there are no consequences. Well, until you are sober. So, if she didn't really want to kiss someone else, she wouldn't have drunk or sober. This comes from personal experience.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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^^ it lowers your inhibitions...

it doesn't make you do things completely against your will... you don't go rob a convenience store just because you're drunk unless you already had that thought in your mind before... being drunk would just make you not worry about getting caught...

the worry about consequences goes away...
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:38 PM
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While I'm not totally disagreeing with everything said, there is more to it. Aside from lowering your inhibitions, it also greatly reduces your ability to think rationally. This is why so many people drive drunk. I'm in no way, shape or form defending drunk driving or using being drunk as an excuse for anything, just stating that being drunk doesn't only work as a truth serum. It also works as a stupid serum and as blinders - hence the term "beer goggles." You can end up doing things (and people) you would never do had you been of sound mind.

Again, I'm not defending any of these actions, just saying that there is more to the story than just lowering inhibitions
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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Alcohol doesn't make you do things you wouldn't want to do if you were sober. If someone does something when they're drunk, they wanted to do it. The only thing that stopped them was they were sober before.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
While I'm not totally disagreeing with everything said, there is more to it. Aside from lowering your inhibitions, it also greatly reduces your ability to think rationally. This is why so many people drive drunk. I'm in no way, shape or form defending drunk driving or using being drunk as an excuse for anything, just stating that being drunk doesn't only work as a truth serum. It also works as a stupid serum and as blinders - hence the term "beer goggles." You can end up doing things (and people) you would never do had you been of sound mind.
isn't what you just described here lowering inhibitions?

you don't drive drunk because you're afraid of going to jail or dying... that's an inhibition

you don't make out with an ugly chick because you have standards... that's an inhibition

you dont' tell people the truth because it might not be polite or socially acceptable and you might look stupid... that's an inhibition
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
Alcohol doesn't make you do things you wouldn't want to do if you were sober. If someone does something when they're drunk, they wanted to do it. The only thing that stopped them was they were sober before.
You guys are simplifying this too much. People do stupid things while drunk. Some end up being harmless, but some have dire consequences. Given enough alcohol, most people do things they would not do if they had a clear mind. This goes beyond making out with friends or random women. People jump off of bridges into rivers when drinking, thinking they will be okay and end up dead. People cross busy streets when drinking, not paying attention to the signal lights or approaching cars and end up smeared on the pavement. Sure, there are times when a bit of acohol will give you the "liquid courage" someone needs to do something they always wanted to do, but it does more than just lower inhibitions - ot also greatly increases stupidity.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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isn't what you just described here lowering inhibitions?

you don't drive drunk because you're afraid of going to jail or dying... that's an inhibition

you don't make out with an ugly chick because you have standards... that's an inhibition

you dont' tell people the truth because it might not be polite or socially acceptable and you might look stupid... that's an inhibition
IMHO there is a difference. An inhibition is something preventing you from doing something you want to do - that you would like to do when sober, but don't have the courage. The only thing preventing you from doing it is personal and generally emotional in nature. Making out with someone could easily fall into this category.

Drunk driving or jumping off a bridge are completely different, as these are things you would not do if you had rational thought. You lose the ability to see the potential consequences. And you cannot compare the consequences of being laughed at by your friends for making out with an "ugly chick" with driving drunk and crashing into a family in their car.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
You guys are simplifying this too much. People do stupid things while drunk. Some end up being harmless, but some have dire consequences. Given enough alcohol, most people do things they would not do if they had a clear mind. This goes beyond making out with friends or random women. People jump off of bridges into rivers when drinking, thinking they will be okay and end up dead. People cross busy streets when drinking, not paying attention to the signal lights or approaching cars and end up smeared on the pavement. Sure, there are times when a bit of acohol will give you the "liquid courage" someone needs to do something they always wanted to do, but it does more than just lower inhibitions - ot also greatly increases stupidity.
Inhibitions aren't always bad things... many times they're good...

they might jump into a river thinking that they're ok but that's only because they don't have the inhibition of impending death...
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
IMHO there is a difference. An inhibition is something preventing you from doing something you want to do - that you would like to do when sober, but don't have the courage. The only thing preventing you from doing it is personal and generally emotional in nature. Making out with someone could easily fall into this category.

Drunk driving or jumping off a bridge are completely different, as these are things you would not do if you had rational thought. You lose the ability to see the potential consequences. And you cannot compare the consequences of being laughed at by your friends for making out with an "ugly chick" with driving drunk and crashing into a family in their car.
yeah looking at it like that, you're right...

but the way I look at it

Inhibition - Conscious or unconscious restraint of a behavioral process, a desire, or an impulse.

The impulse to do something stupid like jump off a bridge you would normally dismiss as being stupid... but you loose your inhibition and you do it..
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:02 PM
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Meh...if you took alcohol away from society, you'd reduce about 99% of the crimes and accidents.

And IMO, you don't need it to have a good time. WTF is so great about drinking to the point you're vomitting out your insides for half the evening and waking up with a terrible headache?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:10 PM
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^^ Listen here, Mr. T. Toteller, no one is advocating drinking to the point of nausea. But don't deprive the masses of their right to find comfort at the bottom of a bottle!
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
^^ Listen here, Mr. T. Toteller, no one is advocating drinking to the point of nausea. But don't deprive the masses of their right to find comfort at the bottom of a bottle!
Naw...not hating the bottle. I'm even guilty of enjoying a nice shot of whiskey, scotch or cognac from time to time.



I'm just saying that I don't see what is the point of "fun" (as per the OP's question about the friend's GF who decided to get hammered) in drinking to the point of stupid...?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
^^ Listen here, Mr. T. Toteller,
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
^^ Listen here, Mr. T. Toteller, no one is advocating drinking to the point of nausea. But don't deprive the masses of their right to find comfort at the bottom of a bottle!
And P.S. on the Toteller part:
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by amisconception
Although alcohol can lower your inhibitions or cause blackouts (real), it's not an excuse.

It doesn't matter how drunk I am, if I'm in a relationship I don't do what she did and would expect it in from a GF in return. She's not trust worthy and probably not in the same frame as your buddy.

It's OK, though. Because she showed her cards. Hopefully this came up early in their affair.

what affair?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 03:56 PM
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Ok I think I need to clear things up.

The 2 people involved are single! There is no affair, no one is cheating on anyone. I only know my buddy kind of likes her and we thought maybe she did too. He DID NOT initiate anything. He went to say bye to her cause he was leaving the club and she got emotional that he was leaving (he had to meet up other friends). She was looking into his eyes and was tellin him not to go, then she near kissed him. Any questions?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
Ok I think I need to clear things up.

The 2 people involved are single! There is no affair, no one is cheating on anyone. I only know my buddy kind of likes her and we thought maybe she did too. He DID NOT initiate anything. He went to say bye to her cause he was leaving the club and she got emotional that he was leaving (he had to meet up other friends). She was looking into his eyes and was tellin him not to go, then she near kissed him. Any questions?
What do you mean by "near kissed him?" Did she or did she not press her lips against his? Or did he take her stare as an invitiation and he closed the gap?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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OK I'm confused
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:15 PM
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Yeah, you need to clear things up.
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She looked into his eyes and said not to go?

WTF?
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by moeronn
What do you mean by "near kissed him?" Did she or did she not press her lips against his? Or did he take her stare as an invitiation and he closed the gap?

They brushed lips, she or both of them, pulled back, he explains it as being real quick, slight lip contact.



Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
She looked into his eyes and said not to go?

WTF?

She looked into his eyes (her eyes were glassy, like she was about to cry) and she said, no, why do you have to go, stay.



amisconception and phipark, what don't you get?
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I get that when you're drunk sometimes you don't act like yourself but they also say that the truth comes out. Why do people do things, like say make out with someone, and then pull the I was drunk card?

Some girl pulled this shit on my buddy and I don't get how one can say things and do things like that and say "well i was trashed". She claims its not an excuse, and that they are probably in diff places right now, i.e. she just wants to date. Well thats cool, but the reason for lookin into someone's eyes intensely and kissing them (in a supposed drunk state) has to be rooted from something.

I'm sure guys do this too, but it still makes no sense to me. I've been extremely drunk before, but 1, I always remember what I did and what happened and 2, I never do anything I shouldn't or didn't mean. Others are probably different.
Okay come on son, if you can still remember what you did and what happened that night you THINK you got "drunk" you were just tipsy... NOT... DRUNK!!! I speak 125% Truth when I'm drunk... Its funny as hell how honest I get. NOW... I give it to you on the part where you still shouldnt be doin shyt like cheating on your bf/gf off drinks.

Thats some bullshyt excuse to get away from it.... Most of the time the chick/guy wanted to cheat on the bitch/nigga they go out with but didnt have enough balls to go through with it. So getting drunk is what makes you say "Fuck it" and FUCK IT... LOL. NOT AN EXCUSE
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:09 PM
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So this was just a random encounter with a girl he isn't really dating? Why is he stressing it? I just don't get why he cares.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:11 PM
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So this was just a random encounter with a girl he isn't really dating? Why is he stressing it? I just don't get why he cares.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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So this was just a random encounter with a girl he isn't really dating? Why is he stressing it? I just don't get why he cares.
they want that whole movie like love story whatever the fuck type of life I guess.
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:49 PM
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they want that whole movie like love story whatever the fuck type of life I guess.
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Old Aug 15, 2007 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by amisconception
So this was just a random encounter with a girl he isn't really dating? Why is he stressing it? I just don't get why he cares.

My buddy and this girl are friends. They were out for a mutual friend's bday.



MightySemen, my buddy remembers everything, She does not. They talked a couple days later and when they talked about the night the first thing she said was she was trashed, then my buddy reminded her how the night went down between them.



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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 11:24 PM
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It's BS! It's just a sorry excuse for being a whore/a$$.

To be honest, I've been sh*tfaced before like completely sh*tfaced and I never went out and said, "oh cause I was drunk". People will do what they do regardless if they're drunk or not. If I can be sh*tfaced and not allow a guy to kiss me or whatever, then it's possible to make those decision. Most girls pull the drunk card because they either want attention or because they don't want to come off as a whore! And to me, it's such a cop out! Drunk or not, if I wanted to kiss or have sex with a guy, I will regardless if I'm impaired or not. People just need to start taking responsibility for their actions and stop blaming alcohol.

But I will admit this, alcohol does give you beer goggles. I once had beer goggles and I realized that I danced with this funky looking guy all night. If I had known, I wouldn't have because he thought I was into him. I just like to dance...haha
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 01:51 PM
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LOL you guys ever watched EURO TRIP? where the sister from buffy the vampire makes out with her brother in the movie?
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 01:59 PM
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no offense to your buddy... but tell him to graduate from the HS drama and live a grown up life where people just shut up and deal with this kind of shit day in and day out. he likes her, great, but if she won't respond sober to his advances (or hes too shy to make them noticable) then he needs just just pack up and move along to the next one.



My friends do this shit all the time... they complain cuz they are "lonely" but usually the reason they are lonely is cuz they bask in stupid drama like this.


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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 04:06 PM
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I think it's a good way to make your friend look like a DICK. The "I was drunk" excuse IMO is 75% BS. I think maybe she just realized what she did and this way she doesn't have to deal with it. She makes your buddy look like an ass that took advantage of a drunk girl and chances are she will never have to deal with talking about that situation again.
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Old Sep 25, 2007 | 11:38 PM
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thats why I dont get drunk, I just get tipsy.
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