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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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At the risk of this sounding like some weak sauce ... I'll make a long story short.

I meet a girl, 7 years ago. We are each interested, yet always have bfs and gfs.

Anyways, I recently broke up with my gf of 2 years. As I had more and more problems I started talking to said girl more and more. She was also having problems with her man. She breaks up with him, I break up with my gf.

We talk and talk and TALK. We also get on webcam damn near every night. Talk about seeing each other all the time blah blah blah. She also tells me she is afraid to see me because she thinks she will get all retarded (it is understood at this point that sex will be involved). I sort of feel the same way but say nothing (gotta keep your pimp game strong).

Anyway, I get there. We go for drinks to lighten the mood. Get back to her place, go at it a few times. I wake up with a terrible hangover. I also notice she is being very distant. We go eat, then I sleep some more. Then we go eat again. She is beginning to open up at this point again but is still kinda giving off negative vibes.

We decide to just chill with her roomates (games etc) and drink. I make it clear I'm ready for some action by going to hang out in her room. She comes in talking about some bs drunk shit and I say "who cares" and toss her on the bed. I dont need to explain past that.

Anyway, she tells me the room is hot and goes to sleep in her roomate's room, who happens to be out of town. Tells me I can come with if I want. I'm thinking, fuck that I love sleeping alone. So, I stay in there by myself. Best sleep in 6 months.

Anyway, she comes back in early the next morning and crawls in bed with me. Seems fine. Then as we get up I notice the wierd vibe AGAIN. So I decide to test her by grabbing her and trying to kiss her. She gives me a peck and pulls back.

We decide to take a shower (not together) bc its almost time for us to leave (I'm going home and she has a family engagement). She has no problem prancing around me naked.

We decide to go eat. Wierd feeling again (acting distant ect). We leave she gives me a hug and says "we'll have to do this again sometime." I laugh bc its funny. I then try the kiss test to which she fucking turns her cheek to me this time. WTF?

Fast foward, I ask about it. She says she hopes she didnt ruin the weekend. Then says she doesnt want to talk about it. I'm trying to make this short so that sounds worse than it really was. I finally make her speak up on the subject and she says that she already told me one of two things happen when she is "with" a person. She (a) wants to run and hide or (b) gets clingy and attached. It also has nothing to do with the quality of sex (so don't mention it ).

She then says it took all of her strength to fight her instinct to run because she didnt want to fuck up our friendship. I asked, well wtf? Why did you have sex with me so many times. She said that she kept telling herself that it was only sex. I went into player mode and said "is that what it was???"

Thats when she said "fuck, I'm done talking."

The truth of the matter is, I think I really have feelings for this girl. I haven't felt like this since I was a teenager. I mean she REALLY gets me going on EVERY level. WTF? I mean I know the answer is to just act player like it doesnt matter but I feel like I'm feining for crack or something. I feel like a fucking drug addict.

CLIFFS cuz that was long as hell:

*friends with girl for a long time
*both of us interested entire time
*break up with respective so's
*have sex
*she acts wierd
*she tells me she feels like she wants to run away but didnt bc we are friends
*I never act like an emotional fag in front of her
*I REALLY like her, like REALLY
*HALP?!
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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i would start by telling her how you feel, and find out if she feels the same. if she doesn't, then try to salvage your friendship.

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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:22 PM
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I'm gonna veto that one. She is already on the run brah. Lets scare her some more by leaving her a "cuuuutiiiie" message. Thanks though.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 11:50 PM
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A lot of words Luda...but very simple...

She likes you, you like her. You both are posturing, feeling the other person out.

Cardinal sin: You can't treat sugar walls like regular old vagina. If you like a girl, then you don't have to "play all of your cards", but you can't just talk to her like she a dime a dozen either. Be neutral until you see what's up. Step the game up a little at a time. Wait for signs from her. When she gives you a moment (like she did), then react to the moment based on the way it is. Don't go hard just to go hard and maintain an edge. Why? Because, she is doing the same thing you are Luda. Waiting for an opening or to see what's up. If you act like you don't care, then why give you anything more than a fuck? Why lay her feelings out there for a pimp? Don't bumrush her mind with "feelings", but stop hitting her with a brick everytime she opens up. Give her more reasons to.

Women, for the most part, hold their heart in their hand when they fuck the new guy. If he acts right, or shows potential, they put it back in their chest. If not, they keep it at arms length. If you want her, then act right when the right time comes. There is no such thing as I shouldn't let her know what's up. Just all in due time and be smart about it playa. For right now, she likes you. Very obvious. She just on the run because she thinks you are with the remarks you make. Now what you gonna do about it?

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:08 AM
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Gawd I fucking hate this shit!
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:15 AM
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Thanks dark!

I'm not sure what to make of it. I kinda joked with her tonight about it. She opened up a bit more. Told me it (sex) was great, in so many words. She just felt like she wanted to distance herself afterward.

Then said it would be better if we lived closer and could hang out and let it happen naturally. It was kind of forced. I'm not sure if this was said to pacify me or not. Whatever, I hate this game and love it at the same time!

I keep asking myself "what is happening to me?" I NEVER get like this, EVER! I feel like a damn drug addict or something. After all the women I have done wrong, I get to one I like and have no idea wtf is going on.

I'm rambling now ...
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:15 AM
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Gawd I fucking hate this shit!
Keep ya head up pimp! Just be real dawg! Fuck what happens after you are real! You know damn well you don't want to "wonder what might have been". The pussy is already on point...want the rest to be a mystery? Hey, if you don't land the fish, somebody without all of the "mind-blowing decisions" is going to. That girl wants to be with someone. Plain and simple. All of the rest of that stuff she is saying is for protection from dudes that just want to "beat it up"! Don't get me wrong, she love fucking, but she tired of ducking...

So beat it up...but heat that thang up too! You know how to do - do you!
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by darksom1
Keep ya head up pimp! Just be real dawg! Fuck what happens after you are real! You know damn well you don't want to "wonder what might have been". The pussy is already on point...want the rest to be a mystery? Hey, if you don't land the fish, somebody without all of the "mind-blowing decisions" is going to. That girl wants to be with someone. Plain and simple. All of the rest of that stuff she is saying is for protection from dudes that just want to "beat it up"! Don't get me wrong, she love fucking, but she tired of ducking...

So beat it up...but heat that thang up too! You know how to do - do you!
on point is not the expression! That shit blew my fucking mind!
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 01:35 AM
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haha, this is good.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ludachrisvt
I mean I know the answer is to just act player...
I think she's freaking out on you because you are playing the role of the "player". I think her actions are a defense against getting hurt because she can't get a read on where you're at. You're good friends right? Now you've crossed a line, and it can go one of two ways. Either you just hook-up as friends, or you become more. She can't get a read on you which way you're going, so she's playing defense. No sense in her admitting a bunch of feelings just to have you turn around and say it was just sex. I think her reaction to your comment proves it.

Go, find the girl, sit down somewhere quiet, and try the truth. No games, no posturing, just tell her. If you think you like her - great! Tell her that. Tell her you think there may be more to this than a one night stand and you want to explore that. Give her something to work with, and you'll see a different girl. If not, then you know what you've got then.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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as always....

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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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well, guys, as I said before. She told me that she a) gets attached or b) wants to take off. The take off stories are ALWAYS with one night stand dudes or douche bags.

She said afterward when she sobered up she just wanted to distance herself completely.
We basically talked about having sex so much that it was understood that it would happen. This is VERY unnatural.

We made plans to possibly hang out next weekend on the premise that there wouldn't necessarily be any sex. I mean, it was pretty obvious before hand that she was really starting to feel me. I told her i was on that same level. She just avoids talking about feelings/problems like the fucking plague so it makes it really hard.

I'm thinking its the challenge/chase that is exciting me. Again, like darksome1 said, I need to find an opening to show SOME emotion. I'm just not sure how because she keeps cutting me off at the pass. AGH!
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by darksom1
A lot of words Luda...but very simple...

She likes you, you like her. You both are posturing, feeling the other person out.

Cardinal sin: You can't treat sugar walls like regular old vagina. If you like a girl, then you don't have to "play all of your cards", but you can't just talk to her like she a dime a dozen either. Be neutral until you see what's up. Step the game up a little at a time. Wait for signs from her. When she gives you a moment (like she did), then react to the moment based on the way it is. Don't go hard just to go hard and maintain an edge. Why? Because, she is doing the same thing you are Luda. Waiting for an opening or to see what's up. If you act like you don't care, then why give you anything more than a fuck? Why lay her feelings out there for a pimp? Don't bumrush her mind with "feelings", but stop hitting her with a brick everytime she opens up. Give her more reasons to.

Women, for the most part, hold their heart in their hand when they fuck the new guy. If he acts right, or shows potential, they put it back in their chest. If not, they keep it at arms length. If you want her, then act right when the right time comes. There is no such thing as I shouldn't let her know what's up. Just all in due time and be smart about it playa. For right now, she likes you. Very obvious. She just on the run because she thinks you are with the remarks you make. Now what you gonna do about it?

Remember: You can't strikeout from the dugout!
also, forgot to mention, she was already "on the run" before I made that misstep. thoughts?
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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well, guys, as I said before. She told me that she a) gets attached or b) wants to take off. The take off stories are ALWAYS with one night stand dudes or douche bags.

She said afterward when she sobered up she just wanted to distance herself completely.
We basically talked about having sex so much that it was understood that it would happen. This is VERY unnatural.

We made plans to possibly hang out next weekend on the premise that there wouldn't necessarily be any sex. I mean, it was pretty obvious before hand that she was really starting to feel me. I told her i was on that same level. She just avoids talking about feelings/problems like the fucking plague so it makes it really hard.

I'm thinking its the challenge/chase that is exciting me. Again, like darksome1 said, I need to find an opening to show SOME emotion. I'm just not sure how because she keeps cutting me off at the pass. AGH!
Damaged goods maybe? You must really dig her to be going through all this. She sounds like a lot of work. You think she's the type to get hyper-attached once she does, finally, open herself up to you? I'm guessing she is.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 08:03 PM
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i'm not going to work that hard. That initial excitement had me hooked but i'm not AS excited anymore. I guess the voodoo is wearing off.

Don't get me wrong, I still like her but I felt like I was gonna go nuts before.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 08:23 PM
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I'll use your first quote.
Originally Posted by ludachrisvt
...she already told me one of two things happen when she is "with" a person. She (a) wants to run and hide or (b) gets clingy and attached.
So basically she's saying that when she is "with" someone she'll pick one of two ways to sabotage any "real" relationship that may result. Said another way, "Hey, I'm going to sleep with you, but after we're done, I'm either going to disappear or turn psycho on you."

That's a defense mechanism if I ever saw one. I'd also say a control mechanism too. So really she's setting herself up to be in control of what happens next. If she likes you, 100 bucks says you get option c) the cool girl. If she thinks it's not going to go her way, or wants out, she has two choices she's already warned you about. "See, I told you before I'd disappear".

Question is, are you up for breaking through all that, or just move on. I think Dark has good tips, but I was never fond of girls that made it this hard. Smells like manipulation and control to me. Almost like she's playing you a bit...
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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by with i mean have sex with
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Like dark says: when people like eachother and are used to people screwing them over, they posture. I don't think it is manipulation at all. At least not on a conscience level.

Secondly, I did not break up with my ex for her. We were having ALOT of problems. We were going through that 4 month thing were you break up every other day and I had finally HAD IT. Long story short.

Apparently, she wasn't getting what she needed out of her relationship. That's another bag of worms I'm not getting into.

I have calmed down considerably since yesterday. I was freaking out. I had no idea why I was feeling that way. Reading dark's inspirational words then reaffirming it by talking to her made me feel better.

I need to get some more tang on deck so I don't get lonely in the lulls between seeing her. Her and I are not together and she is acting like she doesn't want a relationship anyway. I'm not the cheating type, so if we were together I wouldn't step out (physically at least). Since we aren't, what she doesn't know won't hurt her, will it.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 10:08 PM
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by with i mean have sex with
Yup, I got that. I know I've been married for 18 years and all, but every now and again I get reminded of what that's like. :wink:
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 01:31 AM
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Sounds like you are getting your mind right playa! Good to hear, because you need it to navigate those waters where you're going. And the calming down thing is not unusual either. As cocksmen, once we get hyped about something and it doesn't happen fast enough, we lose interest with a quickness! Like fuck her! But every now and then, one comes along to make us think and blink twice! Even they can't run the table on us though, with too much bullshit, so they have to shit or get off the pot, just like they tell us! Always be the man, the leader, by example. Let things go with your flow, make her comfortable, but assume the leader role. I hate reading shit where the guy let's the woman dictate everything. I mean, we slack up a little to lay the groundwork, but that's about it. So be the man...

Remember: If you want it (relationship), then subtle advances at first. They keep her in front of you, and everybody grounded and not zooming! But if you don't want it, then like Mayweather's trainer would yell at him from the corner when he's backed into one - "Punch (fuck) and get out!!"

Keep us updated...
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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Guys,

I think this long journey is over. It came up again in conversation. We were talking about what made things so awkward. The fact that we talked SO much about it and that it was last minute. I basically called her that day and said I'll be there tonight.

Anyway, I tried to be subtle by saying that things didn't turn out they way I thought they should have. She asked me what that meant and I corrected by saying the way I wanted them to. What happened just kind of ... happened. She again asked what I meant, and I said that I didn't want to show up and just fuck all rushed.

Her response? "Ah, oh well. It's done now." I just returned with "I guess so." Then we said our goodbyes for the night.

Here is the excerpt from our convo on instant messenger:

her(11:20:53 PM): good job
her(11:21:26 PM): for making it all last minute and shit
her(11:21:34 PM): and for talking about it WAY too much
her(11:21:42 PM): (i'm guilty of all this as well)
ludachrisvt (11:21:47 PM): hold that thought, bbiab.
her(11:22:32 PM): hmmmm
her(11:22:36 PM): that means a while
her went away at 11:33:44 PM.
ludachrisvt (11:37:12 PM): back


Auto Response from her(11:37:12 PM): sooo tired, long day tomorrow


her(11:37:24 PM): where did u go
ludachrisvt (11:37:39 PM): home, i was at jaimes
ludachrisvt (11:37:41 PM): working
ludachrisvt (11:37:43 PM): ugh
her(11:37:49 PM): yucky
her(11:37:53 PM): weirdo
ludachrisvt (11:38:07 PM): luckily he lives close
her(11:38:44 PM): yea
ludachrisvt (11:38:48 PM): anyway
ludachrisvt (11:38:56 PM): what i was about to say before he kicked me out
ludachrisvt (11:39:05 PM): i guess he was tryin to get his F on
her(11:39:21 PM): lol
her(11:39:34 PM): i don't wanna think about that
ludachrisvt (11:39:44 PM): what?
ludachrisvt (11:39:52 PM): oh
ludachrisvt (11:39:54 PM): them bangin
ludachrisvt (11:39:55 PM): lol
her(11:39:59 PM): ha yes
ludachrisvt (11:40:04 PM): i just said that to be funny
ludachrisvt (11:40:56 PM): anyway, things didnt turn out the way i thought they should have
her(11:41:15 PM): with what
ludachrisvt (11:41:36 PM): what we were talking about before i rolled out
her(11:42:07 PM): ah
ludachrisvt (11:42:12 PM): rather
ludachrisvt (11:42:19 PM): the way i wanted them to
her(11:42:32 PM): well what does that mean
ludachrisvt (11:43:38 PM): not to sure how to express it
ludachrisvt (11:43:42 PM): i hoped you would just get it
ludachrisvt (11:43:44 PM): haha
her(11:44:11 PM): eh well i'm slow
her(11:44:16 PM): o well
ludachrisvt (11:45:26 PM): it means i didnt want to just show up and do that all rushed, i mean it just kinda happened
her(11:45:46 PM): ah yea
her(11:45:48 PM): o well
her(11:45:58 PM): its done now, haha
ludachrisvt (11:46:43 PM): i guess so ...
ludachrisvt (11:46:46 PM): welp
ludachrisvt (11:46:51 PM): get some sleep
ludachrisvt (11:46:56 PM): you have an early day tom
her(11:47:06 PM): this is true
her(11:47:16 PM): you go to bed soonish
ludachrisvt (11:47:23 PM): not gonna happen
her(11:47:44 PM): eh it sounded nice
ludachrisvt (11:47:53 PM): appreciate it
her(11:48:30 PM): i'll ttyl
ludachrisvt (11:48:36 PM): hollar
her(11:48:37 PM): night
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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fuck that sucked. This is the part where I always want to cut and run on a bitch. SHIT!
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Gimme a minute pimpin...I got "work" to do in a sec!
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 11:14 PM
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at least one of us does.
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Old Apr 10, 2008 | 11:32 PM
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Oh man Luda... You know this isn't the type of girl you open up for. She's obviously "damaged" - for lack of a better word.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 04:04 AM
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dont initiate the next convo... be distant.... let her realize you arent going to chase her... if she has feelings for you she'll open up... good luck.. girls that play games ftl
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 06:57 AM
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we talk constantly. I think I'm done with it. I'm getting too frustrated. I don't care how good the pussy is, it isn't worth this feeling.

My first instinct is that she doesn't want me to chase. She is just trying to preserve our friendship without shutting me down hard. I guess she should have thought of that before we had sex since she knew that would make her emotionally unstable one way or the other.

I kind of feel like I got hit with a brick myself last night. "Never give a bitch no keys or security codes!"
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 08:27 AM
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Just read that dialogue.

Now is the time to shift into strictly fuck mode. If you get to fuck her, then do so. But minimum effort should be used from this point on. Like you know, if she calls you up because she wants you to dig her back out or something. Also, if you can't fuck her without feeling something, then just bounce! I wouldn't even be telling you to fuck her if it wasn't a "good fuck" you feel me? But I never kick good pussy to the curb for "emotional" reasons. If she was causing me a problem, then yeah. But just because I don't want to "marry" her...no! When I'm just fucking, I'm detached emotionally. Everybody can't do that. So get in where you fit in bro!

But your "work" is done here...
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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You win some and you lose some. I can hit some shit without feeling, probably just not with this one. I tried my hand at subtle sensitivity. I'm DONE chasing. Time for some replacing.
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by darksom1
Just read that dialogue.

But your "work" is done here...
would you have changed anything about my approach on that?
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ludachrisvt
I tried my hand at subtle sensitivity.
Ya, I've tried that a couple times myself. I can't recall it ever working
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Old Apr 11, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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I'm usually without emotion. At least in appearance. I hate showing my underbelly.
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ludachrisvt
I need to get some more tang on deck so I don't get lonely
This will also take your mind off of the chick that you just slept with. Good pussy sometimes makes you want to pick up the phone even when you don't want to. To stay in control, get some more on your mind. That way you don't really care what one or the other says or does...works like a charm, tried and proven!
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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yea i've done it many times. I've just been out of the game so long. I'm trying to get my body right for the summer.

I just can't resist. She still calls, text, IMs me daily. I dont get this chick.

Dark,

How would you have changed what I said in my IM conversation? I feel like an idiot for saying what I said.
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ludachrisvt
yea i've done it many times. I've just been out of the game so long. I'm trying to get my body right for the summer.

I just can't resist. She still calls, text, IMs me daily. I dont get this chick.

Dark,

How would you have changed what I said in my IM conversation? I feel like an idiot for saying what I said.
I PM'd you!
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by darksom1
I PM'd you!
Whoa whoa whoa dark! PM?!? you're disrupting the learning experience! by sharing your advice we can all learn!
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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haha! this is specialized. This guy is a fucking genius. If I wasn't so impatient this would have worked out by now.
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 10:06 PM
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Yeah, I'm curious to see the PM too! hahaha
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Old Apr 13, 2008 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by amisconception
Yeah, I'm curious to see the PM too! hahaha



C'mon Dark...don't hold out on us!
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Old Apr 14, 2008 | 12:06 AM
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post pm or :ban:
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