Background on this chick: I have a friend who I have known since I was 12 that we know everything about each other. She knows who everyone is I have done anything at all with. She knows who the last person I slept with, when it was, basically everything. I also know the same things about her. We went to prom with each other in high school and in college would talk here and there but since she has been home for the last year after graduating we hang out at least 3 times a week and talk/text every day. Listen to the same music, hate/like the same things. We have different personalities, she thinks I am funny and nuts I think she is mean but in a good way. Both of us havent been in serious relationships in a while so we just chill with each other. Her parents like me and my parents like her, both of us are Jamaican. She is a Quantative methods major from UF who knows biology inside and out and can do any math equation. She also reads XKCD.com religiously. We go to concerts together and make travel plans together.

The situation: All the time we tend to talk to each other about the people we like or the people who like us. She is the kind of girl who doesnt care if she is single and doesn't sleep around. Not needy at all etc. Recently she has been talking to guys I think are lame so I have been telling her me and her are going to get married as a joke at first. But after stupid chick after stupid chick I have began to actually like her. I told her this expecting the worst but she smiled and said she thought so. Now that she knows I tend to slide in jokes that me and her will be together to which she answers "I HATE YOU" with a smile then she will say "Hmm maybe I'll just go have sex with (insert losers name)." To which I yell at her and she smiles.

The Problem: How do I make this fruitful? My problem with her is she knows everything about me, my insecurities and all. I have confided all the soppy gay shit guys keep from girls they are dating to her. I still date other chicks or meet other chicks but in the end I want her and she knows it. We have a running joke that I will love her till I find someone smart like she is with the same interest. And I tell her that I am slowly wearing her down and that she is falling in love with me, to which she yells at me, again with a smile.

Other female friends I have hooked up with because we werent that close. With other girls they dont know me inside and out so I am mad confident. With her she knows too much! I don't know how I gain that confidence with someone who knows all of your weaknesses. I have never asked how she feels about me but I think since she hasn't been awkward around me or stopped calling/hanging out she can't think I am a monster. We had a conversation once about her ex who is a douche bag (he has multiple tattoos a high school education, cheated on her, and now has 2 kids and 2 baby mamas) and she said she liked him so much because he was so confident. So yeah how the hell do you make someone you have known since 12 look at you differently?

Signed, I wish she was just met her! Fucking friends!

 

So she knows you slept with Doucher and Whiskers?

 

WTF is up with your title?

But anyway, with that said, isn't it better that she knows your weaknesses from the getgo?

I mean if she's willing to love you despite your faults, then isn't that a good thing?

Unless you're like me and you're perfect.

 

:ibthewedding:

And are you certain she isn't a mutant? Not even a mole in a weird place or a 11th toe?

 

shes def a mutant

 

nope
She likes football to the point u can't call her during a game
She is 5'3 100lbs and her mom is like 5'4 120lbs after 3 kids.
She is basically a mathmatician which is hot
She doesn't serial date like a lot of insecure chicks who need a man does

It's just that I am worried if I come straight at her in a serious tone she will tin me down and it might make our friendship awkward. Even though she knows I like her I keep it lighthearted. Plus I am a bit wired about making sweet love to her since the whole friend thing. Then again I don't know of many chicks like her and I feel like i'd be passing up something good. What would u do in this situation.

 

Something just isn't right here. Have you confirmed her lack of a penis?

 

Just be straight up with her and ask her how she feels. Then you'll have your answer, you're already comfortable with her so what's the deal?

 

You're her girlfriend JJ. Just accept it and find someone else.

The only way to progress it is by making bold moves and risking the end of your friendship.

Part of sexual attraction and desire is tension and a spark of chemistry that isn't conducive to long-held platonic friendships.

She's not denying your friendship/attention because she likes you as a friend and you flatter her. You're a convenient ego boost.

She likes bad boys and you're not one of them. She doesn't have to work for you. You're not a challenge. You're not mysterious. And you're always available. Those are not characteristics of the type of guy that will make her moist between her legs.

Women don't call attractive men a good "catch" for nothing.

 

relationships almost always change when you move it on to the next level...you're still young so just have fun for now, especially if she's a good girl, don't ruin it

 

Yes, take it slow and let someone else tap it.

You should be able to talk to her about it as cTLgo already suggested.

 

mutant it is

 

You're lucky. A lot of people are never actually friends with their significant others before or even during their relationship. Weird, but some people don't have any significant, strong base to their relationship, and don't know what to do together when they aren't in bed. Don't be ignorant to the fact that she's smart and has definitely picked up on your lighthearted jokes about being together....people call that flirting. I'd just be honest with her during a spur-of-the-moment chat, when the time feels right to bring it up. Be yourself.

 

Uhhh, any...odor... issues? No vestigial tail sticking out?
You seem to be missing some descriptors here.

x 2.

Disclaimer here: I think that approach also put me on the express "friend" train once, too...

 

Yeah but JJ's already got a lifetime pass to that train so there's not much to lose. Unless he gets way too physically aggressive before getting clearance, I don't see the downside of letting her know that he's feeling attracted to her.

 

Seriously dude, just make a move. What have you got to lose, she's already cool knowing your insecurities, issues, etc. If she turns you down back off and maintain the friendship. If she's receptive then you're in like flynn. Maybe involve some alcohol first, that way it'll be less awkward if she gives you the heisman.

Seriously, no tail, hypertrophic clit, adam's apple?

 

Show her this thread.

 

Can't hurt to try.
Go for it. Sounds like you've got a helluva 'deal'.

 

I don't know why some people think a simple profession of feelings can/will put someone at the "friends level". As far as I'm concerned, there's no single speech that will determine how someone feels about you. Someone will either like you and be content with where things are, or will want to explore things further, but that's based on feelings, chemistry, desires, risks, being open, it being the right time, etc, etc, etc. Basically, if she ends up just wanting to be friends, she likely felt that regardless of if you proclaim your interest or not.

 

No guts, no glory.

Just tell her that every time you have been with other people, your thoughts always comes back to her. Tell her you want to take your "friendship" to the next level because if you don't, you might regret it.

Oh, then tell her "You complete me."

 

you're jamaican?

 

That's pointless.

JJ: Hey, um, I just thought we'd get together you know, just me and you, like exclusively Please?

her: "hahahah, oh but you're like a brother to me, hehehe, you're so cute!"

JJ: "hahaha ya, I was just kidding anyway! "

Everything we need to know he's already described in his original post. She may find him cute, she may find him entertaining, but that's not what she desires. She craves the bold young man who cheated on her, with tattoos, that ultimately has no regard for her.

If she REALLY wanted a nice guy like JJ she would be all over him. He's very much so a nice guy and he wears his heart on his sleeve. That doesn't turn her on though.

JJ should focus his attention on girls who don't just give him attention and laugh at his jokes but actually express their desire for him with an acceptance of his sexual advances.

 

Give her ass a good slap... from what i've read, it seems like she'll be pretty turned on by it... and when she looks at you just be like, "What?"

 

^ Can't agree any more than this great piece of advice.

BTW, if she knows *everything* about you, then she'll know you go on AZ all the time and end up reading this post???

 

LOL this is partially right. I am kind of an asshole so I am definitely not her girlfriend. Our conversations where I bring up us are more like this...
Her: Mike I swear to god if you called me to make fun of the Gators I am going to fucking kill you!
Me: Whoa Whoa there, just because the USF Bulls (my alumni) are number 10 and you guys are 12 doesn't mean you guys suck, your welcome to come to a bulls game with me.
Her: I would rather DIE! I am never going to a Bulls game.
Me: You know when we have kids it's going to be weird that the house is divided like this, I wonder who they will root for?
Her: Mike I fucking hate you!
Me: Naw you don't, you love me.
Her: I am getting off the phone! I hate you!
Me: Yeah cool off, you can't be angry when I am getting you pregnant.
Her: AGH!
Me: See you tonight?
Her: YES! BYE!

I think it's a little bit of what you said but I am far from the desperate male friend with her and I still get other girls. I think she might not just be attracted to my type. I am a big ogre who can pick her up over my head in one swoop. She has only had 2 boyfriends and both are mad skinny (like 140 lbs and below) and the guys she talks about liking are always mad skinny too.

I told her last night that girls are dumb as fuck. I was like you know I like you because it just makes sense, you are smart, attractive, and deep down really nice (I had a serious moment with her) and I at times treat you how I would want to be treated from a girl I liked. BUT girls don't fucking react to that because they like the chase and are bat shit crazy! (I read this post and then talked to her). So I am going to have to make you want me you know that right? Her: "Shutup not going to happen Mike." Uh yes it will, every guy you meets a loser in time you will be shacking up with me! LOL. Basically that's how it ended, if I get her awesome! But I dunno if I can, maybe she just doesn't like me no matter what

 

Take my advice, be more of a spontaneous dick and less of a wimpy-wimp.

 

Kiss her and see what happens. that will let you know all you need to know right there. If she really likes you she will reciprocate if not she will turn you away and go on with the friendship. All of this talkin BS is too easy to shutdown. You gotta show some aggression, some fire, some passion. Show her you really want her, Dont just talk about it. And stop insulting her choice in men to make her choice of you look better. Thats not very attractive.

 

x2,

good call.

 

I am guessing you didn't read the post above...

 

Idk, I don't really consider that being a dick.

 

:gheyfight

 

Sounds like you're on the right approach by being confident and telling her you'll end up together. I think you just honestly need to ask her how she feels about you, and who she sees herself being with in the future. Ask her if she thinks that you guys could cross the friends line. I've had several friends like you're describing and I was able to fool around with them, but never had the desire to cross the line and date them. If you guys know each other that well, just come out and ask her honestly. Sounds like you know what you want man

 

This reminds me of a movie I just saw (not on my own accord). Forgot the name of the movie, but it was a 2008 romance one where this guy finally marries his long time best friend.

 

 

cliffs?

 

I pronounce you Chuck and Larry?

 

just call her and tell her you are coming over to her house. when you get there without saying anything to her just walk up to her and kiss her. Then just stop get back in your car and leave. She will be left wanting and then think about it a little more seriously.

 

lose some weight

 

Stop hanging out with her so much, and when you do make it really fun. Eventually watch a movie or something and get to the point where you're "cuddly" and really close and wait until she looks at you and kiss her. Do it.



If you want to end up getting with her you'll have to put your friendship in jeopardy, if it's worth it to you in the end that is

 

Sorry to tell you... your only the "guy friend" You know her too well & too long to make a relationship work.