Yumcha

Looks fantastic.

EvilVirus

iTrader: (8)

I enjoyed the first one and been waiting for the second part to come out. Heard most people are upset because Ellie is a lesbian. Which brings to censuring the game's development, art work, and story.

Yumcha

Good grief. Who cares what her orientation is? The game has a social commentary and if that's what the writers want, I'm all for it. Should not take away from the experience or gameplay given Naughty Dog's track record.

I'm very much excited to get this game. But man, that's some intense fighting.

EvilVirus

iTrader: (8)

https://www.usgamer.net/articles/14-...ything-we-know

EvilVirus

iTrader: (8)

I agree besides I am all for Lesbians anyways

I looking forward to its release date. Guess I should finish Horizon Zero Dawn first.

Doom878

Honestly they announced she was gay in the DLC of part 1. I hope the story doesn't fall off like The Walking Dead Telltale game did when they

Rapture

So nobody has followed the recent pandemonium with this game?

https://www.sausageroll.com.au/enter...-divisiveness/


Apparently the studio is trying to make a game that caters to gamers who demand interracial lesbian relationships and gender non-conforming theys be front-and-center in the game. Of course this is an article talking about the leak, not the leak itself (very well may get into a bit o trouble posting the leak.) This video seemed to sum up a lot of people's thoughts well:

Yumcha

No, I have not. Just hope the sequel is as good as the first one...

Costco

Wow, the video creator words it very well. Gamers can admittedly be pretty toxic - didn't realize the critic being mentioned was front and center during gamergate.

I didn't finish Uncharted on the Vita or Last of Us - not on the games themselves, but more on me. I thought the writing and world building was great in both games.

Given the choice in a game where you can create your own character, I will tend to choose a female character. Depends on how character design looks. Being able to choose their gender or not mentioning it, sure, doesn't matter to me though I know it does to some. Doesn't hurt to include that option.

But undermining your creative staff to pander to YouTube critics is bad, especially when it leads to your talent leaving like that. Nothing really stood out to me as wrong or overly exclusive with the stories. Things look grim, kind of reminds me of Bioware and Mass Effect (yes, I played a femshep)

Costco

About the leak, it was confirmed that it was not leaked by a former employee. Apparently it was a hacker(s)

https://www.ibtimes.com/last-us-part...volved-2968849

Rapture

I guess it would make sense; Sony does have a long history with being hacked Then again some sources are saying the leaker/hacker was divulging info only an insider would know... maybe there were two incidents? I guess I'll stay tuned.

F-C

Funny video.

Mizouse

exactly why i still don't have my credit card info attached to my PSN account.

Granted yes, that incident was probably 10 years ago, but still.

Yumcha

New trailer here: https://blog.us.playstation.com/2020...story-trailer/

Yumcha

Looks good. I'll be looking forward to picking this title up too.

Doom878

Gracias for posting. Hopefully another story. I need a refresher on part 1, been a while. Thought Joel bit it.

Yumcha

Reviews are trickling in and well, it's amazing: https://www.ign.com/articles/the-las...-part-2-review

Mizouse

Pretty sure I saw this on the PS5 reveal videos.

Rapture

Something seems strange, though..

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Most of the complaints are about the writing and the story; some saying it ruins the game. If you're not bothered by writing and story then it sounds like it should be good.

Mizouse

Costco

Review bombing is nothing new.

Behold, the combination of a game with multiple glaring flaws, coupled with anti-Blizzard sentiment after the Hong Kong/China controversy:
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/w...t-iii-reforged

For games and movies, if there's a massive discrepancy between the critics and consumers, I look into the more highly regarded reviews by regular people.

These games can get review bombed by hundreds of people within hours. I guess thousands, in this case. So critiques (good and bad) of games like this will need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Breath of the Wild is a top seller for the Switch. Been out for 3 years now. It has half of the reviews that TLoU2 racked up in one day.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/swit...th-of-the-wild

Rapture

So you think it's a bunch of trolls who never played the game? I'm sure to an extent yes, but a lot of them seem to know what the ending is.

Also Breath of the Wild didn't have a bullshit SJW story everyone hated.

Yumcha

From what I am observing, I think this game has the issues that plagued the Star Wars Episode 8...it's "cool" to hate on it.

Likely because of the inclusion/LBGTQ theme because some gamers are idiotic hateful morons...?




Dunno. I'm looking forward to this once it arrives...en route -- should arrive Monday.

Costco

Yes, I do think it's a bunch of trolls. In fact, I think a majority of the negative scores are trolls. The game should take about 20 hrs to beat at the minimum, and I really doubt that many people finished the game within two days and gave their honest, fair opinion on it. However I don't think the SJW angle you are taking is even a noteworthy reason for all the hate. I hardly see that mentioned, actually.

https://howlongtobeat.com/game?id=41753

I'm not invested in the game one way or another. I tried the first game and while it was impressive, it wasn't my kind of game. I did watch a couple of videos about the game out of curiosity:

This guy was apparently one of the people that criticized the game during the leaks and got a ton of flak for it. He spends about 13 minutes ranting about design choices and talking about the horrible ending.

Then at the end of the video, he (basically) asks viewers, "are you getting this game? Cause there's no way I'm touching it" he doesn't even own the game.

^No story spoilers, but some minor leaks about gameplay and narrative design
This uploader actually played the game through. He admits that he struggles to continue playing at times, due to some things the game forces you to do. In particular, there is one character that is unanimously disliked, and you are forced to to play as them. Yes, he also criticizes the poor writing.

He does also talk about how impressed he was with the game when it came to the graphical fidelity, the environmental details, and various other design choices. In the end, he gives the game a 7/10, which given his reasoning seems pretty fair to me. In another video, he plays through the game a second time to focus more on the said hated character; he also confirms that the ending does indeed, suck.

I don't think the subset of LGBT-hating people is THAT sizable. They are the most vocal, but there was a prior TLoU game where a lesbian relationship was introduced and explored, and it got great reviews: https://www.metacritic.com/game/play...us-left-behind

There is probably a subset of people doing it because everyone else is. Still stupid to form an opinion about something you haven't fully experienced yourself. If you don't like what a game stands for, or are only willing to believe what you wanna hear (the negatives), then don't buy it.

Costco

I completely understand where people are coming from, because my favorite series was Mass Effect. Played through the entire series a couple of times. The ending to the trilogy was completely lazy and very disappointing, despite attempting to temper my own expectations. Bioware also had a writer drop out of the process, but that happened late enough that it basically only harmed the ending.

The ratings for ME3 are pretty bad, though also fairly undeserved. Overall, it really is an excellent game. The ending wasn't leaked, so people got to play through it. At least it wasn't brigaded like TLoU2 is. While I'm making parallels to what happened with Bioware... this could be the beginning of the downward spiral for Naughty Dog.

I can completely understand why a lot of people could hate TLoU2. It has nothing to do with SJWs or anything relating to them. In fact, what I would argue is that it's almost the complete opposite. From what I can assume, the writer(s) were trying to be too edgy with the majority of the narrative, then with the ending... well having seen it and hearing critiques of it, I have no clue WTF they were trying to do. Bad writing, for sure.

Kind of spoiler:


Yumcha

Started it last night...

It's a hefty game so make sure there's enough HD space. I had to say bye to Lara Croft (both games) to get LoU2 to install.




Pretty nice graphics overall and voice acting. Still too used to FF7R so will need to get back to "reality" with the mechanics of this game I suppose

Doom878

No external HDD?

Yumcha

No. I should get one. But, it's okay.

Yumcha

Wow...

No...not finished -- not remotely close...but, I now know what the basis of this story is going to be after the big bomb of this chapter.

Mizouse

How big is your internal HDD? My PS4 Pro has 1TB and its used about 450GB of that with like 3 games installed

Yumcha

I have the stock one. Guessing it is 1TB too...? I have a handful of mini-games but FF7R, TLoU2, Street Fighter Anniversary Ed., MGSV, and Gran Turismo Sport now installed.

Yumcha

About 20 hours into the game overall timewise logged...

A super intense and often frightening game as you're going through decrepit buildings in the dark with just a flashlight and your few weaponry. The new "stalkers" suck gonads...no way your hearing abilities can track them and that big office I had to go through was insanity with these things crawling about and hidden in corners/cubicles.

I've made it to the big Ferris wheel in Seattle in the pouring storm...we'll what's next.

Big change of pace from FF7R but fantastic overall. Gripping story, game play, sound, and graphics.

Yumcha

Hory fawk is this game ...

The ICU/emergency unit hospital chapter is all sorts of insanity and heart-pounding fear...

Yumcha

Wrapped it up over the weekend. Great game...the story is remarkable and obviously, if you are following the news, breaking new ground...

I missed a couple of items along the way so, I may replay but I am unsure. The game is quite harrowing and stressful TBH...you're on edge for almost all of it and just thinking about the Ground Zero chapter has me gritting my teeth. The subway tunnels were bad but the hospital in Seattle takes the gold.

Anyways, with FF7R and TLoU2, that's 2 straight 10/10 games. The Ghost of Tsushima is inbound later this month and if the hype is justified, I'd be on a roll with some amazing games.

Doom878

How does it compare to TLOU1?

Yumcha

A worthy sequel. But, given the haters, a very clear different path taken on the story arc...some shocking developments...the LBGTQ angle does not bother me at all nor does it feel forced. The story is fantastic TBH. Revenge and redemption, I think, are the themes.

Frankly, TBH, this is not like Game of Thrones-esque in the WTF path taken for the plot though. The game has become alot more stealth-based IMO overall, though going in with guns blazing is doable but likely not a good idea.

Mizouse

whats this LBGTQ stuff about anyways? Is it mostly Lbgtq?

Costco

Wait @Yumcha , you played the game and you think it isn’t utter 0/10 shit?

The game has also been a best seller since it came out?

Color me surprised

Yumcha

It's a bit of everything, I guess. But, yeah...one of the main characters is the bolded letter. Supporting characters are B and T...?

Yumcha

It's a killer app for the PS4. Period. One of the games, like FF7R, that make the console stand out...so, like Halo and etc. for the XBOX.

So, frankly...the haters are xenophobic, sexist pigs.

Abby, who is one of the key characters, is not a typical video game character. She's massive in the sense that she's a true body-builder. So, she's shredded and big. And so, yeah...given the demographic of that type of athlete, her chest is I'm sorry, not the size of her head. Apparently, people are hating on that. She also wore braces in a flashback, I think. So, no...she's not Tifa Lockhart from FF7R.

Everyone in this game is basically..."normal". No one has the perfect body. And other ethnicities play a big role in the plot: Jewish, Asian, African-American...

It's definitely inclusive. But, in an elegant and well-done way. Not in-your-face and feeling forced.