10 Reasons to wait for the PS3...
11-22-2005, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
The DVD player is the XBOX sucked ass as well and you had to pay extra for it...... Plus the PS2 DVD player was actually fine until progressive scan players came out.
No, the PS2 player isn't even competitive with first gen run of the mill DVD players.
My FIRST DVD player was like $300... I got my PS2 about 1.5-2 yrs later (day it came out) all excited I was getting a "next gen" DVD player... I was sorely disappointed. It couldn't even keep up with my significantly older Sony unit.
But, yes, progressive scan just widened the gap... and progressive scan players werent far behind PS2... I got mine not so long after PS2's launch.
11-22-2005, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
anyone have bass fishing on DC? that game rocked 
discontinued DC games were better then the first 2 generations of most PS2 games... i only retired the thing a year and a half ago or so...
that was a damn good system.
11-22-2005, 09:23 PM
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The Xbox 360 is nothing like the Dreamcast. Sega was in poor financial shape and pulled the plug on the Dreamcast prematurely.
MS is in this for the long-run.
After playing the 360 all night, it's really an awesome experience. On a HDTV, the graphics are breathtaking and the media capabilities are awesome. It's cool to stream mp3's from my PC while I'm playing the games
MS is in this for the long-run.
After playing the 360 all night, it's really an awesome experience. On a HDTV, the graphics are breathtaking and the media capabilities are awesome. It's cool to stream mp3's from my PC while I'm playing the games
11-22-2005, 09:26 PM
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I'll get the 360 when Ninja Gaiden, Forza, and Halo are released! 
11-22-2005, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
All 3 of those work on the 360 in 720p and 4xAA
11-22-2005, 11:15 PM
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ok ok guys, settle down, you're getting out of control. 
11-23-2005, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by soopa
I disagree.
PS2 was in the right place at the right time with it's DVD player. Just as DVD took hold of the mainstream...
Blu-ray? You & I crave it... but does your mum know what it is? Does little johnny down the street give a crap? Nope.
I really don't think Blu-ray is going to make a bit of difference to the average consumer, at least out of the gates. Maybe 2-3 years down the road... it will keep PS3 selling strong while 360 fizzles... but doesn't Microsoft claim to have another console up their sleeves?
PS2 was in the right place at the right time with it's DVD player. Just as DVD took hold of the mainstream...
Blu-ray? You & I crave it... but does your mum know what it is? Does little johnny down the street give a crap? Nope.
I really don't think Blu-ray is going to make a bit of difference to the average consumer, at least out of the gates. Maybe 2-3 years down the road... it will keep PS3 selling strong while 360 fizzles... but doesn't Microsoft claim to have another console up their sleeves?
I think it will depend on how quick BD will catch on in the mainstream market. However, if I recall correctly, DVD was not very popular until the PS2 lauched. My mom and little johnny down the street certainly did not know what DVD is back in 1999.
Why did it get popular all of a sudden? I think the inclusion of the affordable DVD player in the PS2 made a whole lot of difference. Same way with PS3 and Blu-Ray. One single week of PS3 sales will put millions if not tens of millions of BD Players in homes around the world. With all of the Hollywood studios getting aboard of the next gen media format, I think it is really going to be up to Sony's marketing of the BD to the mass market. If they market it like the UMD, or if BD have critical flaws like Dreamcast's GD, then BD will be doomed to failure. There are still months to come before the release of PS3, I will be very interested to see how sony and the media will handle the marketing of BD.
11-23-2005, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Why not just cut & paste the other thread? 
(http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=162324&cid=13576964)
11-23-2005, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
This article continues to fuel the fire PS3 > 360
Some of the reasons listed both in are pretty silly. Neither system overall is better than the other right now. It's hard to say how good the PS3 will be with few announced games, no playable games, no announced online strategy, no final specifications announced for some components (i.e. RSX GPU).
Enjoy both.
11-23-2005, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Hondan53
I think it will depend on how quick BD will catch on in the mainstream market. However, if I recall correctly, DVD was not very popular until the PS2 lauched. My mom and little johnny down the street certainly did not know what DVD is back in 1999.
Why did it get popular all of a sudden? I think the inclusion of the affordable DVD player in the PS2 made a whole lot of difference. Same way with PS3 and Blu-Ray. One single week of PS3 sales will put millions if not tens of millions of BD Players in homes around the world. With all of the Hollywood studios getting aboard of the next gen media format, I think it is really going to be up to Sony's marketing of the BD to the mass market. If they market it like the UMD, or if BD have critical flaws like Dreamcast's GD, then BD will be doomed to failure. There are still months to come before the release of PS3, I will be very interested to see how sony and the media will handle the marketing of BD.
Why did it get popular all of a sudden? I think the inclusion of the affordable DVD player in the PS2 made a whole lot of difference. Same way with PS3 and Blu-Ray. One single week of PS3 sales will put millions if not tens of millions of BD Players in homes around the world. With all of the Hollywood studios getting aboard of the next gen media format, I think it is really going to be up to Sony's marketing of the BD to the mass market. If they market it like the UMD, or if BD have critical flaws like Dreamcast's GD, then BD will be doomed to failure. There are still months to come before the release of PS3, I will be very interested to see how sony and the media will handle the marketing of BD.
Sony had very little stake in DVD. They had no incentive.
The DVD format had been around since, what, 1996? It took a large library of DVD media and a healthy stock of DVD's on rental store shelves for the format to gain popularity. It so happens that it did only shortly before PS2, but PS2 was certainly NOT the catalyst in the case of DVD.
11-23-2005, 08:42 AM
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For you guys that think a game system is going to make a format popular 
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What made DVD popular was a vast amount of porn and $50 DVD players.
.What made DVD popular was a vast amount of porn and $50 DVD players.
11-23-2005, 08:43 AM
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The PS2 was my first DVD player 
11-23-2005, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by soopa
I completely disagree. DVD took hold a good 1-2 years before PS2... otherwise they would have never considered putting it into PS2.
Sony had very little stake in DVD. They had no incentive.
The DVD format had been around since, what, 1996? It took a large library of DVD media and a healthy stock of DVD's on rental store shelves for the format to gain popularity. It so happens that it did only shortly before PS2, but PS2 was certainly NOT the catalyst in the case of DVD.
Sony had very little stake in DVD. They had no incentive.
The DVD format had been around since, what, 1996? It took a large library of DVD media and a healthy stock of DVD's on rental store shelves for the format to gain popularity. It so happens that it did only shortly before PS2, but PS2 was certainly NOT the catalyst in the case of DVD.
I do not feel the same situation will exist for Blu-Ray. There was a need to migrate to DVD - the picture quality was far superior to VHS for all TV sets and the time of VHS tapes had come and gone. The market was ready for it's successor.
I don't feel the same will be true of either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD (most likely Blu-Ray will win) as many homes still don't have HDTV's, most people probably feel DVD has "good enough" image quality and many just invested in huge DVD movie collections. I think it will do well, but no have anywhere near the explosion DVD experienced.
While the PS3 has an advantage having a Blu-Ray player inside, it is not a game maker or breaker IMO.
11-23-2005, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
I agree for the most-part. In the US, it was not the case as DVD's were pretty well established and the price of DVD players were coming down at that time, but in Japan it was a slightly different case, as the PS2 came out in Japanese PS2 came out approximately a year to 9 months earlier (can't remember the exact dates) than the US PS2. It did help the sales somewhat initially.
I do not feel the same situation will exist for Blu-Ray. There was a need to migrate to DVD - the picture quality was far superior to VHS for all TV sets and the time of VHS tapes had come and gone. The market was ready for it's successor.
I don't feel the same will be true of either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD (most likely Blu-Ray will win) as many homes still don't have HDTV's, most people probably feel DVD has "good enough" image quality and many just invested in huge DVD movie collections. I think it will do well, but no have anywhere near the explosion DVD experienced.
While the PS3 has an advantage having a Blu-Ray player inside, it is not a game maker or breaker IMO.
I do not feel the same situation will exist for Blu-Ray. There was a need to migrate to DVD - the picture quality was far superior to VHS for all TV sets and the time of VHS tapes had come and gone. The market was ready for it's successor.
I don't feel the same will be true of either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD (most likely Blu-Ray will win) as many homes still don't have HDTV's, most people probably feel DVD has "good enough" image quality and many just invested in huge DVD movie collections. I think it will do well, but no have anywhere near the explosion DVD experienced.
While the PS3 has an advantage having a Blu-Ray player inside, it is not a game maker or breaker IMO.
11-23-2005, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
The PS2 was my first DVD player
Not that great of one...but, it was my first too.
11-23-2005, 11:40 AM
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And for discussions sake, here are the 10 reasons to buy a 360...
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Top 10 Reasons to Buy an Xbox 360
The next generation has arrived and the clans must be united. Here's why you should jump in now.
by Douglass C. Perry
November 22, 2005 - "Help me. For Christ's sake, help yourselves. If we join, we can win. If we win, well then we'll have what none of us has ever had before: a country of our own. Unite the clans! Unite them!" -- William Wallace, Braveheart
No truer words were spoken since Mel Gibson's Braveheart wooed people into wearing kilts and tossing giant stones at parties. And if we, IGN, must unite the clans, so be it. The time has come. After hearing about the Xbox 360 for months now and wondering what will be good, bad or ugly, the system finally arrives today. Where do you stand? Buying? Not buying? Chickening out? Afraid to jump into the future? Remember what William Wallace said: "If we join, we can win."
Whether you know it or not, it's time for war. Microsoft has thrown the first salvo, and it's the Xbox 360, a multimedia, super-powerful console that is about to stoke the fire of the next generation -- not Sony's vaporware-sucking-boomerang-fax-machine monstrosity. Where are the vents? When is it actually coming out? Is that boomerang controller for real? How expensive will it be? So many good questions left unanswered. Why in the world would you want to wait for a PS3? There are few good reason, but certainly not 10 good ones. Why buy an Xbox 360? It's obvious man! To change the tides of the war, I tell you! To make history! To rip the throne out from the fat cats over at Sony and bring choice, flexibility, customization and great online gaming to the masses. Why buy an Xbox 360? William Wallace said it best -- For "FREEEEEEEDOOMMMM!"
10. First-Party Exclusive Games
Say what you will about Kameo: Elements of Power, but you can neither deny its beauty or its next-generation gameplay. The platformer-adventure game has honest to goodness platformer feel -- just like a brand new Nintendo game. Guess some of that time working with Nintendo rubbed off after all. Then there's the sleek, powerful racer Project Gotham Racing 3, a stellar looking game with a huge set of features, svelte-looking licensed cars, and some of the best potential online games available. What can top that? Perfect Dark Zero, Rare's first-person shooter, may very well lead the online charge with as many as 32-players online in a sequel to top all sequels. All of these titles are gorgeous, they're all unique, and they're all exclusive. Remember Sony's 2000 launch on PS2? It had zero first-party presence then. What will it bring when the piper comes calling next year? It sure won't be NFL GameDay.
9. Wireless Controllers
Nintendo started the revolution, and Microsoft has just grabbed the torch and lit up the wireless heavens. Microsoft is launching its system with built-in wireless capabilities with both controllers and Internet connectivity. If you get the Premium Pack, your controller will be wireless and ready to go right out of the box. The freedom of motion is excellent, the range is superb -- more than 30 feet -- and the ergonomic construction is well thought out. Skip wires, tangles and…boomerangs! It's all about the Xbox 360 wireless controllers.
6. The Xbox 360 Launch Lineup
Yes, it's been said the launch lineup isn't the greatest in the world, and any dumb-ass can repeat what he's heard on a message board without really knowing what he's saying. The facts are these: Never in the history of consoles has there been a better all-around lineup. No, there aren't any knock-out single games that will bowl you over, but several are right there on the cusp. The 19 titles appearing before the end of this year on Xbox 360 represent a healthy, well-rounded set of games led by Microsoft's very own trio of spanking hot titles. With exclusive titles like Condemned: Criminal Origins, Dead Or Alive 4, Amped 3, and a handful of sequels such as Call of Duty 2, Need For Speed Most Wanted, and Madden NFL 06 available, the roster has variety, exclusives, and refined, well-established sequels to lead the way. My five must-have titles are Call of Duty 2, Project Gotham Racing 3, Kameo, King Kong, and Condemned.
7. Backward Compatibility
In a surprise that caught everyone off-guard, Microsoft announced last week more than 200 Xbox games would be backward compatible with Xbox 360. The list was indeed strange, including losers such as SeaWorld: Shamu's Deep Sea Adventures, Toxic Grind, and Circus Maximus, but it offered dozens more to make the feature worth your while. We're still scratching our heads over some of these best sellers (Drake, Dinotopia, Goblin Commander, and Kids Next Door: Operation VIDEOGAME? Come one!), games such as Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance II, Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, Deathrow, and Half-Life 2 are on the list. Expect more to come each week to appear on your backward compatible list.
6. Xbox Live Arcade
The most over-looked feature of the system, the arcade marketplace will be the second most visited location on your Xbox 360, after the launch screen. Free games, cheap games, addictive, non-stop $10 exclusive arcade games…the list goes on. It's only a matter of time before the Japanese biggies bring their arcade classics -- Streets of Rage, Double Dragon, etc. This is a fresh slate upon which a new arcade revolution is about to be launched. Watch this space closely and you'll see a system grow in leaps and bounds.
5. Impressive Graphic Power at Good Prices
Microsoft continues to give consumers choices. The two-tiered launch price scheme is a perfect example of this flexibility -- $299 or $399 for a system. With the PS3, Sony has essentially stated it will be expensive, so keep this in mind when the PS3 hits shores in…November. With the Xbox 360's three 3.2 GHz processors running alongside a 500 MHz ATI graphics processor, this console is loaded with power. Some of the current-gen titles like PDZ, PDR3, Call of Duty 2 and Condemned wrangle with the power, and they all look gorgeous having not even scratched the system's surface.
4. Multimedia Hub
Along with playable games, rippable CDs and playback movies ready at launch, the Xbox 360 enables players to customize their MPEG music sticks with perfectly designed playlists in addition to connecting to Microsoft's Media Center for a more complete media sensation. Stream music from your iPod and synch it with images from your last holiday vacation. Play music to the Jeff Mintner visual synchronizer and customize the desktop with themes and gamer tiles and have fun doing it. Expect Sony to copy much of Microsoft's innovations.
3. Xbox Live Marketplace
While it doesn't fit into most folks' traditional notion of a console, the Xbox 360 offers a dynamic online commerce center. When you're not downloading free stuff like demos, trailers and extra bonus packs from game developers, you'll be spending cash on low-cost items such as bonus levels, expanded levels, episodic content, specialized gamer tiles and GamerCard tag images. Some of it is free, some costs cash, all are dependent on the developers and publishers. Expect this to grow and flourish as the committed users and companies quickly build it into a dedicated gaming center.
2. GamerCards
Microsoft's GamerCard seems like a simple enough idea. So your name and an image appear as you log onto your account, right? Yes, but there's more. It quickly becomes more for even a semi-committed Xbox Live user. It's your passport, representing your image, your scores, your games of choice, your motto, bio and more. The GamerCard becomes you ID card into the community of Xbox Live and it's how you'll learn and understand the people you play with and against and those you befriend. It's not only fun to create, it's fun to explore other people's GamerCards, which offer their game favorites, game achievements, and their most recent progress on their most recently played games.
1. The Next Generation Now
The Xbox 360, in my opinion, is a must-have system right now because it's the most powerful, sophisticated, and dedicated game system on the planet. It's built for gamers, tailored to their needs, and it's rich with tools to let them go a little nuts on customizing and choose their community. There is easily a rich top-five list (like mine), and getting online and screwing around with arcade games and online games is just the beginning.
The best thing about the Xbox 360's early launch is that it's a good investment now that will pay off later with greater profits. If you buy it now, you'll earn a reputation online and build your achievements list out, gaining traction ahead of your slow-ass PS3 friends. You'll be able to take part of the next generation as it emerges. Right now, there are 19 games ready to play, but that's only for this year. Come next spring, a gaggle of new games will hit your local retail store with a satisfying thud. Fight Night 360, Burnout, Full Auto, Top Spin 2, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Battlefield 2: Modern Combat, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, and more are in the pipeline just getting ready for their glimmering launch days on Xbox 360. All of these will be out before PS3 launches in…spring in Japan and fall in North America? Hmm… That's one year from now. Have we mentioned the Japanese games Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Ninety-Nine Nights, and the others? Then in late 2006 and in 2007, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Too Human, Fight Night 360, Crackdown, and Halo 3 are lining up.
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These are the top 10 reasons to buy an Xbox 360. These are reasons to break from the motherland and establish our freedom. These are the justifications for console WAR! It's time to unite the Xbox clans in a way we've never imagined, and yes, we might sound a little crazy right now, but it's gotten to that point. When we saw the laughable, tragic 10 reasons not to buy Xbox 360 from our buddies at IGN PS3, we quickly established these. We understand this is in effect fanboy fodder, flame-fanning, and torruous for those who simply cannot control their reactionary rantings. But it's also pretty clear our reasons are superior, and most importantly, we have heart, soul, and our system isn't just a funky fax machine image on paper, it's real and it's now.
================
Top 10 Reasons to Buy an Xbox 360
The next generation has arrived and the clans must be united. Here's why you should jump in now.
by Douglass C. Perry
November 22, 2005 - "Help me. For Christ's sake, help yourselves. If we join, we can win. If we win, well then we'll have what none of us has ever had before: a country of our own. Unite the clans! Unite them!" -- William Wallace, Braveheart
No truer words were spoken since Mel Gibson's Braveheart wooed people into wearing kilts and tossing giant stones at parties. And if we, IGN, must unite the clans, so be it. The time has come. After hearing about the Xbox 360 for months now and wondering what will be good, bad or ugly, the system finally arrives today. Where do you stand? Buying? Not buying? Chickening out? Afraid to jump into the future? Remember what William Wallace said: "If we join, we can win."
Whether you know it or not, it's time for war. Microsoft has thrown the first salvo, and it's the Xbox 360, a multimedia, super-powerful console that is about to stoke the fire of the next generation -- not Sony's vaporware-sucking-boomerang-fax-machine monstrosity. Where are the vents? When is it actually coming out? Is that boomerang controller for real? How expensive will it be? So many good questions left unanswered. Why in the world would you want to wait for a PS3? There are few good reason, but certainly not 10 good ones. Why buy an Xbox 360? It's obvious man! To change the tides of the war, I tell you! To make history! To rip the throne out from the fat cats over at Sony and bring choice, flexibility, customization and great online gaming to the masses. Why buy an Xbox 360? William Wallace said it best -- For "FREEEEEEEDOOMMMM!"
10. First-Party Exclusive Games
Say what you will about Kameo: Elements of Power, but you can neither deny its beauty or its next-generation gameplay. The platformer-adventure game has honest to goodness platformer feel -- just like a brand new Nintendo game. Guess some of that time working with Nintendo rubbed off after all. Then there's the sleek, powerful racer Project Gotham Racing 3, a stellar looking game with a huge set of features, svelte-looking licensed cars, and some of the best potential online games available. What can top that? Perfect Dark Zero, Rare's first-person shooter, may very well lead the online charge with as many as 32-players online in a sequel to top all sequels. All of these titles are gorgeous, they're all unique, and they're all exclusive. Remember Sony's 2000 launch on PS2? It had zero first-party presence then. What will it bring when the piper comes calling next year? It sure won't be NFL GameDay.
9. Wireless Controllers
Nintendo started the revolution, and Microsoft has just grabbed the torch and lit up the wireless heavens. Microsoft is launching its system with built-in wireless capabilities with both controllers and Internet connectivity. If you get the Premium Pack, your controller will be wireless and ready to go right out of the box. The freedom of motion is excellent, the range is superb -- more than 30 feet -- and the ergonomic construction is well thought out. Skip wires, tangles and…boomerangs! It's all about the Xbox 360 wireless controllers.
6. The Xbox 360 Launch Lineup
Yes, it's been said the launch lineup isn't the greatest in the world, and any dumb-ass can repeat what he's heard on a message board without really knowing what he's saying. The facts are these: Never in the history of consoles has there been a better all-around lineup. No, there aren't any knock-out single games that will bowl you over, but several are right there on the cusp. The 19 titles appearing before the end of this year on Xbox 360 represent a healthy, well-rounded set of games led by Microsoft's very own trio of spanking hot titles. With exclusive titles like Condemned: Criminal Origins, Dead Or Alive 4, Amped 3, and a handful of sequels such as Call of Duty 2, Need For Speed Most Wanted, and Madden NFL 06 available, the roster has variety, exclusives, and refined, well-established sequels to lead the way. My five must-have titles are Call of Duty 2, Project Gotham Racing 3, Kameo, King Kong, and Condemned.
7. Backward Compatibility
In a surprise that caught everyone off-guard, Microsoft announced last week more than 200 Xbox games would be backward compatible with Xbox 360. The list was indeed strange, including losers such as SeaWorld: Shamu's Deep Sea Adventures, Toxic Grind, and Circus Maximus, but it offered dozens more to make the feature worth your while. We're still scratching our heads over some of these best sellers (Drake, Dinotopia, Goblin Commander, and Kids Next Door: Operation VIDEOGAME? Come one!), games such as Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance II, Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, Deathrow, and Half-Life 2 are on the list. Expect more to come each week to appear on your backward compatible list.
6. Xbox Live Arcade
The most over-looked feature of the system, the arcade marketplace will be the second most visited location on your Xbox 360, after the launch screen. Free games, cheap games, addictive, non-stop $10 exclusive arcade games…the list goes on. It's only a matter of time before the Japanese biggies bring their arcade classics -- Streets of Rage, Double Dragon, etc. This is a fresh slate upon which a new arcade revolution is about to be launched. Watch this space closely and you'll see a system grow in leaps and bounds.
5. Impressive Graphic Power at Good Prices
Microsoft continues to give consumers choices. The two-tiered launch price scheme is a perfect example of this flexibility -- $299 or $399 for a system. With the PS3, Sony has essentially stated it will be expensive, so keep this in mind when the PS3 hits shores in…November. With the Xbox 360's three 3.2 GHz processors running alongside a 500 MHz ATI graphics processor, this console is loaded with power. Some of the current-gen titles like PDZ, PDR3, Call of Duty 2 and Condemned wrangle with the power, and they all look gorgeous having not even scratched the system's surface.
4. Multimedia Hub
Along with playable games, rippable CDs and playback movies ready at launch, the Xbox 360 enables players to customize their MPEG music sticks with perfectly designed playlists in addition to connecting to Microsoft's Media Center for a more complete media sensation. Stream music from your iPod and synch it with images from your last holiday vacation. Play music to the Jeff Mintner visual synchronizer and customize the desktop with themes and gamer tiles and have fun doing it. Expect Sony to copy much of Microsoft's innovations.
3. Xbox Live Marketplace
While it doesn't fit into most folks' traditional notion of a console, the Xbox 360 offers a dynamic online commerce center. When you're not downloading free stuff like demos, trailers and extra bonus packs from game developers, you'll be spending cash on low-cost items such as bonus levels, expanded levels, episodic content, specialized gamer tiles and GamerCard tag images. Some of it is free, some costs cash, all are dependent on the developers and publishers. Expect this to grow and flourish as the committed users and companies quickly build it into a dedicated gaming center.
2. GamerCards
Microsoft's GamerCard seems like a simple enough idea. So your name and an image appear as you log onto your account, right? Yes, but there's more. It quickly becomes more for even a semi-committed Xbox Live user. It's your passport, representing your image, your scores, your games of choice, your motto, bio and more. The GamerCard becomes you ID card into the community of Xbox Live and it's how you'll learn and understand the people you play with and against and those you befriend. It's not only fun to create, it's fun to explore other people's GamerCards, which offer their game favorites, game achievements, and their most recent progress on their most recently played games.
1. The Next Generation Now
The Xbox 360, in my opinion, is a must-have system right now because it's the most powerful, sophisticated, and dedicated game system on the planet. It's built for gamers, tailored to their needs, and it's rich with tools to let them go a little nuts on customizing and choose their community. There is easily a rich top-five list (like mine), and getting online and screwing around with arcade games and online games is just the beginning.
The best thing about the Xbox 360's early launch is that it's a good investment now that will pay off later with greater profits. If you buy it now, you'll earn a reputation online and build your achievements list out, gaining traction ahead of your slow-ass PS3 friends. You'll be able to take part of the next generation as it emerges. Right now, there are 19 games ready to play, but that's only for this year. Come next spring, a gaggle of new games will hit your local retail store with a satisfying thud. Fight Night 360, Burnout, Full Auto, Top Spin 2, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Battlefield 2: Modern Combat, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, and more are in the pipeline just getting ready for their glimmering launch days on Xbox 360. All of these will be out before PS3 launches in…spring in Japan and fall in North America? Hmm… That's one year from now. Have we mentioned the Japanese games Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Ninety-Nine Nights, and the others? Then in late 2006 and in 2007, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Too Human, Fight Night 360, Crackdown, and Halo 3 are lining up.
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These are the top 10 reasons to buy an Xbox 360. These are reasons to break from the motherland and establish our freedom. These are the justifications for console WAR! It's time to unite the Xbox clans in a way we've never imagined, and yes, we might sound a little crazy right now, but it's gotten to that point. When we saw the laughable, tragic 10 reasons not to buy Xbox 360 from our buddies at IGN PS3, we quickly established these. We understand this is in effect fanboy fodder, flame-fanning, and torruous for those who simply cannot control their reactionary rantings. But it's also pretty clear our reasons are superior, and most importantly, we have heart, soul, and our system isn't just a funky fax machine image on paper, it's real and it's now.
11-23-2005, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Hondan53
The launch of the 360 is the deja vu of the illfated dreamcast. It is happening all over again... Lack of DVD support is the main reason why Dreamcast lost to PS2. Microsoft is making the same mistake. Now it seems like Blu-Ray is winning the battle against HD-DVD. There is no way Microsoft would win the market share unless Microsoft introuduces a cheap Blu-Ray player before the PS3 launches. The launch of Halo 3 is not going to kill the PS3, to me Halo 3 is like Shenmue for the Dreamcast; a last ditch effort to save the console.
I heart Shenmue
11-23-2005, 01:44 PM
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My 15 y/o son has been saving diligently for 360 but (at the urging of me, his cousins and school mates ) says he wants to wait until PS3 comes out. Smart kid. 
That said, I could think of a dozen better uses of $400.
That said, I could think of a dozen better uses of $400.
11-23-2005, 02:04 PM
#63
Suzuka Master
So far, 360's roster of games to come is very unimpressive. What will be their blockbuster titles, besides Halo when it finally comes out? PS3 will have several: Metal Gear (and I hope to god 360 users never see another MGS game, just for principal) Gran Turismo, GTA, Devil May Cry, Killzone, the list goes on and on. Sorry, but the 360 may be here "now", but it aint really here until it gets some good games, which probably wont be until PS3 comes out and then its all over. Personally, I would pay more for the PS3 if it comes out that way. 360 may have a graphical edge, obviously, but when it comes to games, PS is the winner. 
11-23-2005, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pebecl97
So far, 360's roster of games to come is very unimpressive. What will be their blockbuster titles, besides Halo when it finally comes out? PS3 will have several: Metal Gear (and I hope to god 360 users never see another MGS game, just for principal) Gran Turismo, GTA, Devil May Cry, Killzone, the list goes on and on. Sorry, but the 360 may be here "now", but it aint really here until it gets some good games, which probably wont be until PS3 comes out and then its all over. Personally, I would pay more for the PS3 if it comes out that way. 360 may have a graphical edge, obviously, but when it comes to games, PS is the winner.
Perfect Dark Zero: 9.0 rating at Gamespot and 1up. Here is a quote from 1up:
"you immediately get the impression that Microsoft may have gotten another Halo-like triumph on their hands -- a shooter so good as to be irresistible to both the casual and the hardcore. "
"But let's stick to the point: Perfect Dark Zero's stunning presentation, excellent assortment of believable weapons, exciting tactical firefights, and fully featured single- and multiplayer components combine to make it easily one of the best first-person shooters this year and one of your best options in the Xbox 360's starting lineup"
PGR3: High 8's, 9's across the board pretty much. It also got a 10/10 from 1up
"Microsoft brings us automotive perfection on a disc."
COD2: In the 9's everywhere
Kameo: Usually high 8's. Again a quality Rare title (similar to the old Nintendo Rare games)
Condemned: Creators of F.E.A.R. Again, high rankings (high 8's and only downside is a short length)
Then you have all of the sports series (NHL, Madden, NBA, Tiger Woods, etc..)
Many of the titles do not blow people away, but don't expect the first gen software of the PS3 to do the same either. Saying the 360 has no good games is silly.
The games you stated are PS exclusives but MS has games coming along that either meet or exceed their quality. No GT for 360, but it has Forza 360 coming (many preferred the first Forza to GT4), GTA is coming to both systems, both have RE5, MGS4 will be great but MS has Gears of War. Kojima is also producing a 360 game as well. DMC has gone down in quality lately. Killzone was garbage and the CGI movie at E3 does not count. Call me when Gurella games actually makes a good "playable" game.
Most games these days are multi-platform. What about the 360 exclusive games like Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Crackdown (from the creator of the GTA series)? Both consoles will have great games and a bright future. Just because you prefer PS franchises does not mean the 360 games are crap.
11-23-2005, 02:38 PM
#65
Suzuka Master
Im not saying the games are crap at all. They are visually stunning games. Im talking about games that people will buy the system for. None of you guys ran out to buy the system for CoD2 or PGR3 or whatever. You can play those on the last systems. You bought the system with the expectation of great games to come whereas PS3 will already have awesome titles ready to go. I'm just saying that when PS3 does hit, it will have hot titles then, not down the road 6 or 7 months later, which will boost sales and popularity. MS rushed the release, IMO, and only made available very few games which probably dont demonstrate what the system can do yet. For me right now, I dont see any game available for 360 that makes me want to run out and get it, but to each his own. We wont know until next year and even then, its a matter of preference. My preference is to Sony. I can hardly wait.
11-23-2005, 02:40 PM
#66
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Originally Posted by doopstr
For you guys that think a game system is going to make a format popular .
What made DVD popular was a vast amount of porn and $50 DVD players.
.What made DVD popular was a vast amount of porn and $50 DVD players.
how you like dem apples?
11-23-2005, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
Let's see shall we?
Perfect Dark Zero: 9.0 rating at Gamespot and 1up. Here is a quote from 1up:
"you immediately get the impression that Microsoft may have gotten another Halo-like triumph on their hands -- a shooter so good as to be irresistible to both the casual and the hardcore. "
"But let's stick to the point: Perfect Dark Zero's stunning presentation, excellent assortment of believable weapons, exciting tactical firefights, and fully featured single- and multiplayer components combine to make it easily one of the best first-person shooters this year and one of your best options in the Xbox 360's starting lineup"
PGR3: High 8's, 9's across the board pretty much. It also got a 10/10 from 1up
"Microsoft brings us automotive perfection on a disc."
COD2: In the 9's everywhere
Kameo: Usually high 8's. Again a quality Rare title (similar to the old Nintendo Rare games)
Condemned: Creators of F.E.A.R. Again, high rankings (high 8's and only downside is a short length)
Then you have all of the sports series (NHL, Madden, NBA, Tiger Woods, etc..)
Many of the titles do not blow people away, but don't expect the first gen software of the PS3 to do the same either. Saying the 360 has no good games is silly.
The games you stated are PS exclusives but MS has games coming along that either meet or exceed their quality. No GT for 360, but it has Forza 360 coming (many preferred the first Forza to GT4), GTA is coming to both systems, both have RE5, MGS4 will be great but MS has Gears of War. Kojima is also producing a 360 game as well. DMC has gone down in quality lately. Killzone was garbage and the CGI movie at E3 does not count. Call me when Gurella games actually makes a good "playable" game.
Most games these days are multi-platform. What about the 360 exclusive games like Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Crackdown (from the creator of the GTA series)? Both consoles will have great games and a bright future. Just because you prefer PS franchises does not mean the 360 games are crap.
Perfect Dark Zero: 9.0 rating at Gamespot and 1up. Here is a quote from 1up:
"you immediately get the impression that Microsoft may have gotten another Halo-like triumph on their hands -- a shooter so good as to be irresistible to both the casual and the hardcore. "
"But let's stick to the point: Perfect Dark Zero's stunning presentation, excellent assortment of believable weapons, exciting tactical firefights, and fully featured single- and multiplayer components combine to make it easily one of the best first-person shooters this year and one of your best options in the Xbox 360's starting lineup"
PGR3: High 8's, 9's across the board pretty much. It also got a 10/10 from 1up
"Microsoft brings us automotive perfection on a disc."
COD2: In the 9's everywhere
Kameo: Usually high 8's. Again a quality Rare title (similar to the old Nintendo Rare games)
Condemned: Creators of F.E.A.R. Again, high rankings (high 8's and only downside is a short length)
Then you have all of the sports series (NHL, Madden, NBA, Tiger Woods, etc..)
Many of the titles do not blow people away, but don't expect the first gen software of the PS3 to do the same either. Saying the 360 has no good games is silly.
The games you stated are PS exclusives but MS has games coming along that either meet or exceed their quality. No GT for 360, but it has Forza 360 coming (many preferred the first Forza to GT4), GTA is coming to both systems, both have RE5, MGS4 will be great but MS has Gears of War. Kojima is also producing a 360 game as well. DMC has gone down in quality lately. Killzone was garbage and the CGI movie at E3 does not count. Call me when Gurella games actually makes a good "playable" game.
Most games these days are multi-platform. What about the 360 exclusive games like Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Crackdown (from the creator of the GTA series)? Both consoles will have great games and a bright future. Just because you prefer PS franchises does not mean the 360 games are crap.
As much as I'm trying to maintain an even-keel on the 360, my big gripe about its release is that there isn't any great titles that came with the console's release. The PS3 will have that advantage when it comes out...
Sorry, but Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, DMC are all pretty top-notch games and have giant fanbases.
11-23-2005, 02:49 PM
#68
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Originally Posted by srika
an indirect part of the reason the US is finally getting the Skyline GT-R is the Gran Turismo series, its fanbase, and its popularity.
how you like dem apples?
how you like dem apples?
11-23-2005, 02:53 PM
#69
Suzuka Master
Originally Posted by Yumchah
Hey, good ratings doesn't equate to good market-base...
As much as I'm trying to maintain an even-keel on the 360, my big gripe about its release is that there isn't any great titles that came with the console's release. The PS3 will have that advantage when it comes out...
Sorry, but Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, DMC are all pretty top-notch games and have giant fanbases.
As much as I'm trying to maintain an even-keel on the 360, my big gripe about its release is that there isn't any great titles that came with the console's release. The PS3 will have that advantage when it comes out...
Sorry, but Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, DMC are all pretty top-notch games and have giant fanbases.
Metal Gear (or GT5, whichever is first) will be responsible for sky-rocketing the PS3, and they are pretty much promised to be there on launch day. The console wars will definitely be turning very interesting in the next year.
11-23-2005, 02:55 PM
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Now, if the 360 was released with Halo, Ninja Gaiden, and Forza...well now, I'd be lining up all night for one too. 
11-23-2005, 02:56 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
I thought it was because of Initial D?
11-23-2005, 02:59 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by srika
that too
11-23-2005, 03:02 PM
#73
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Originally Posted by Hondan53
I think it will depend on how quick BD will catch on in the mainstream market. However, if I recall correctly, DVD was not very popular until the PS2 lauched. My mom and little johnny down the street certainly did not know what DVD is back in 1999.
Why did it get popular all of a sudden? I think the inclusion of the affordable DVD player in the PS2 made a whole lot of difference.
Why did it get popular all of a sudden? I think the inclusion of the affordable DVD player in the PS2 made a whole lot of difference.
DVD's popularity has absolutely nothing to do with PS2.
Same way with PS3 and Blu-Ray. One single week of PS3 sales will put millions if not tens of millions of BD Players in homes around the world. With all of the Hollywood studios getting aboard of the next gen media format, I think it is really going to be up to Sony's marketing of the BD to the mass market.
11-23-2005, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
9. Wireless Controllers
Nintendo started the revolution, and Microsoft has just grabbed the torch and lit up the wireless heavens. Microsoft is launching its system with built-in wireless capabilities with both controllers and Internet connectivity. If you get the Premium Pack, your controller will be wireless and ready to go right out of the box. The freedom of motion is excellent, the range is superb -- more than 30 feet -- and the ergonomic construction is well thought out. Skip wires, tangles and…boomerangs! It's all about the Xbox 360 wireless controllers.
Nintendo started the revolution, and Microsoft has just grabbed the torch and lit up the wireless heavens. Microsoft is launching its system with built-in wireless capabilities with both controllers and Internet connectivity. If you get the Premium Pack, your controller will be wireless and ready to go right out of the box. The freedom of motion is excellent, the range is superb -- more than 30 feet -- and the ergonomic construction is well thought out. Skip wires, tangles and…boomerangs! It's all about the Xbox 360 wireless controllers.
11-23-2005, 03:11 PM
#75
Suzuka Master
Originally Posted by Mizouse
uhh arnt the PS3 controllers based off bluetooth which are wireless, and im sure you dont have to buy a "premium" pack to be able to get them included
PS3 contollers will be wireless out the box
11-23-2005, 03:14 PM
#76
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quick question on Ninja Gaiden:
When I played that game, if I ran around a corner and stopped, or went through a doorway and turned, the camera wouldn't follow me, it would stay in previous room/area, so all I saw was the doorway where I just entered. I'd end up with guys attacking me but I couldn't see anything. In the first level in that house thing you are in, it was always a pain in the ass because unless I ran full on into the room, I couldn't see what I was doing.
Also, the right joystick (look) makes you stop moving? So you can't look anywhere except straight ahead unless you want to stop moving?
Is there some setting to fix this or is this how it always is?
When I played that game, if I ran around a corner and stopped, or went through a doorway and turned, the camera wouldn't follow me, it would stay in previous room/area, so all I saw was the doorway where I just entered. I'd end up with guys attacking me but I couldn't see anything. In the first level in that house thing you are in, it was always a pain in the ass because unless I ran full on into the room, I couldn't see what I was doing.
Also, the right joystick (look) makes you stop moving? So you can't look anywhere except straight ahead unless you want to stop moving?
Is there some setting to fix this or is this how it always is?
11-23-2005, 03:20 PM
#77
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
quick question on Ninja Gaiden:
When I played that game, if I ran around a corner and stopped, or went through a doorway and turned, the camera wouldn't follow me, it would stay in previous room/area, so all I saw was the doorway where I just entered. I'd end up with guys attacking me but I couldn't see anything. In the first level in that house thing you are in, it was always a pain in the ass because unless I ran full on into the room, I couldn't see what I was doing.
Also, the right joystick (look) makes you stop moving? So you can't look anywhere except straight ahead unless you want to stop moving?
Is there some setting to fix this or is this how it always is?
When I played that game, if I ran around a corner and stopped, or went through a doorway and turned, the camera wouldn't follow me, it would stay in previous room/area, so all I saw was the doorway where I just entered. I'd end up with guys attacking me but I couldn't see anything. In the first level in that house thing you are in, it was always a pain in the ass because unless I ran full on into the room, I couldn't see what I was doing.
Also, the right joystick (look) makes you stop moving? So you can't look anywhere except straight ahead unless you want to stop moving?
Is there some setting to fix this or is this how it always is?
11-24-2005, 02:06 AM
#79
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Man, all this hating on the 360 is weak. Microsoft is a very RICH company! It will make great games, good games( can't wait till halo 3 comes out!) When PS3 comes out, i will be in line for it. Until then, i will enjoy every moment i have with my new 360!
i will have both systems so it does matter which one are better, until i can play with both. All i have to say is"360 graphics are amazing!"
i will have both systems so it does matter which one are better, until i can play with both. All i have to say is"360 graphics are amazing!"
11-24-2005, 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Hondan53
I think it will depend on how quick BD will catch on in the mainstream market. However, if I recall correctly, DVD was not very popular until the PS2 lauched. My mom and little johnny down the street certainly did not know what DVD is back in 1999.