I think about when I'd try and capture a really steep drop when mountain biking...always looked silly on camera, like nothing.

I'm actually starting to like this a lot more than fast or luxury cars just because of where these vehicles can take you and the beauty of something very few people see in their lives. It's also a massive challenge to drive on these roads that I really enjoy. You get the same adrenaline going 0.9mph (that's the lowest setting on the hill descent lol) down hill as you would going fast in a sports car. I'm half considering selling the S2000 to get a Wrangler Rubicon...

The V wouldn't have left the parking lot lol. But that's not what it's for.

It was most definitely a code brown moment as soon as the one wheel dropped of the edge and the entire Jeep tipped up.

I know right? I'll have GoPro footage soon. Just need to pull it and edit.

Love it

Just bought the upgrade kit to go to HID. The piss poor headlights on the Jeep need to go especially because most of my driving is in the dark thanks to the stupidity that is DST.

https://www.theretrofitsource.com/je...to-xb-led.html

for fogs


and see if any of these fit: https://www.theretrofitsource.com/co...-housings.html

^ None of that fits the Cherokee, most of it is for the Wrangler. The only parts that will fit across platforms are the fog lights as they are the same for the Cherokee and Wrangler. I bought a Cherokee specific set that has a PWM module with Philips bulbs so I'm excited to get it installed.

I realized that I haven't done an update in almost two years so here goes...

1.) Cherokee is now the wife's car, I swapped to a Golf R (most of you know this already)
2.) After having this thing for three years, I would not recommend buying a Cherokee, we are now actually looking to get something else.
3.) The first two years 24k miles were largely trouble free, the past year 12k miles were definitely NOT trouble free.
4.) So far, we've had the following issues since new.
- CEL caused by loose coolant temp sensor, not a huge deal but annoying
- Multiple recalls for random things, again not a huge deal but annoying
- Both front struts replaced due to rattle sounds
- Rear diff and control module replaced
- Both rear CV axles replaced
- Transmission valve body replaced
- Numerous transmission software flashes to resolve rough shifting (finally good now but still sometimes quirky)
- Rattling door speaker replaced
- The newest issue for today is that it does not detect the key fob and won't start with either key. Now I need to go have it towed to the dealership.

That said, the off road capability is out of this world for a compact crossover. You can tackle some serious shit with this thing.

So, is the JK replacing the Cherokee? Or is the wife getting something else & the JK will be your toy?

Fuck that, I'm talking my gf out of the wrangler unless we go old.

JK is going to replace the S2000. I'm not so worried about that one because it's frankly too dumb to fail and designed to be repaired easily on the side of a trail with a basic set of wrenches and a rock.

Wife wants an Outback or CR-V or something along those lines. Will probably lease it as it's likely our family may change in number in the next 3 years.

Alltrack? Haven't driven either of the above, just biased against CVTs. Tough to beat an Outback & should work well in Minnesnowta.

Which fuse did you pull? Or rather what was the fuse for?

She wants an AWD and the Outback is actually quite large. My mom has one and I know of quite a few others that do too. The Subaru CVT is actually not bad, it's similar to Honda's. The only one I'd avoid is the Nissan CVT which is a steaming pile of garbage. The Alltrack is basically a slow Golf so not really looking to have two of the same cars.

True, the Alltrack would be a disappointment by comparison to the R.
Maybe a V60XC, or Regal TourX as comparison shopping to the OB.

It's entirely up to her this time. I think she's set on something super reliable this time so my guess is we'll end up in a Subaru, Honda, or Toyota...the Volvo is likely out and, because she grew up in a really rural area, the Buick is definitely still seen as an old person car. It's ok, she does enough for my car habit so I'm staying completely out of this one.

Makes sense, lots of options out there. It's a good time to be in the market.

Sam knows wood and how to stay married.

Yikes, not a good year at all for reliability it seems. No wonder FCA products still stay near the bottom tier in rankings/reports.....sorry about all those issues (sounds like a nightmare 12k miles). But the off-roading is sure fun though!

Maybe get an older Jeep for cheap to go 4-wheeling on the weekends.

Noted, I'll check it out. Thanks!

Yup, that's the plan! I'm going to find a 2012+ JKU to make into a trail rig. Those I hear are fine or just have silly issues. The non-Wranglers seem to be a lot less reliable overall.

I'm just gonna follow your lead. You do much more math than me...so I can trust you.
Some of the ones that pop up that I like are the YJ, the X and there's another one I can't think of
https://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/cto...646696325.html

Honestly, if I was gonna get a 4-wheeler and beat it on the trails...I'd go for bit older and cheaper...I hink even 2012+ might still be fairly up there in terms of not much depreciation. I've been hearing that Wranglers are notorious for holding their value.....

same here.

Just note that the 2012s have an issue with a ticking cylinder head

so does my 5.3 Vortec!

Wranglers have an irritatingly high residual value but also a high cost of entry for a new one. I looked at a JLUR and the MSRP was $53k which I was not about to pay. Even a Sport S with a soft top and very few options is damn near $40k. I've found several 2012+ Saharas for ~$25k-$30k which is about where I want to be. Probably won't get a Rubicon for that price but we'll see. I've also only looked in the MSP area so once the S2000 sells I'll widen my net and go across the country. I don't mind a road trip adventure.

Did this issue present later in life or early on? Was it something that if it's not there, it'll never be there sort of thing? Good to know and I'll keep an eye out, thanks!

The problem, for me at least, with the older ones is that they are absolute dogs in terms of get up and go. If you want ONLY a trail rig then sure, but I do want to drive this thing often so it needs to be road capable as well.

That YJ looks like it has been beat to hell and back. The XJ is a Cherokee and does not come with removable roof and doors, that part is key.

Nope, went back to the car and it started right up without issues.

Fuck that...
she also likes the Durango and Merc G Wagon...
I'll sway her that way...

Thats the other thing they say. Get both fobs away from the vehicle for 7-10minutes so the computer resets.

When mine happened I think it was combination of things happened to quickly and I "over burdened" the computer. I dont remember what I had done but I did remote start, then I think I accidentally hit the unlock button WHILE my hand was opening the door, which activates the keyless entry...etc. I tried walking away to reset the computer but I didnt have time to wait, so I did a quick search, found the fuse, and reset it and bob was uncle.

I was initially scared shitless because I remember the first couple years of challengers had some FOB issues with bad modules and Im well out of warranty. Thankfully, this was simple.

SRT Durango...bonermobile

You know who drives G wagons? Dudes with too much money who think they are gangstas and blondes with yippy dogs on their laps who run stop signs.

Not sure what build date ranges of the 2012s were known to have the ticking cylinder head, but it impacted a good amount. And I think it threw the code within the first 10-15k miles and Jeep fixed it under warranty. Worth asking if that was replaced if you're shopping around for a 2012.

If you like a few more interior improvements, go with a 2013+. The 2013s had new seats, dimming rear view mirror, dual windshield washer nozzles and a couple other minor improvements. I had a 2013 JKU, no issues with the cylinder head and no issues during my 5 years of ownership.

Here's a long thread on the ticking cylinder head for the 2012s - https://www.jkowners.com/forum/stock...pentastar.html

As for the JLs, some dealers are offering 5-6.5% off invoice... 5% seems to be the norm, but Wranglers are getting really expensive.

So as of tomorrow, we say good riddance to this POS. Picking up a new car for the wife tomorrow. Well we already bought it, just going to get it tomorrow after all the PDI is done.

Wow I didn't realize you had so many issues. I was like, good riddance?

I noticed you didn't mention what vehicle is replacing it, so we'll be expecting pictures first thing.

G Wagon, NO, keep the Ody!

Cool! What ever happened to the Yukon, BTW? Sold it for a CJeep in 2015?



G Wagon , why not an E Wagon, AMG maybe?

Yup, it was a huge POS. The most recent issue it's having now is that it pops up an error to say "service starting system" after you drive it for ~20 mins. The error self clears upon restart and it hasn't not started again but one of these times it won't start.

Pics tonight or tomorrow (whenever we have access to some fucking daylight) but it's a 2019 Subaru Outback 3.6L.

Sold it for a profit lol, I think I made $500 or something like that for owning it. I don't think we used the money from that sale for anything car related. My guess is that it went into the kitchen remodel fund or something like that.

The fun part is that we initially wanted an Ascent, Pilot, Highlander, etc that can tow a lot and have a ton of space on the inside. After doing more research, the Ascent is on its first model year so no thanks, the Pilot's higher trim levels come with the ZF9 so no thanks, the Highlander is more expensive and doesn't come with LED/HID so no thanks. What we got from doing the math is that we could buy a high end Outback to daily AND and old Yukon (or similar) to haul shit around for less money, insurance, and registration than any of the bigger crossovers. So...looks like I'm back in the market to get another Yukon Denali! It's the only vehicle I legitimately regret selling so I'm looking forward to getting another one. The others I miss but don't regret.