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CA has been having blackout and brownout issues for a long time, FAR before EV's were even a twinkle in Elon's eye. They just need to generate more power and have needed to do that for decades. The downside is that CA is so averse to anything that doing that in that state will never happen.
PARTS of CA have had issues. I certainly haven't had issues in the 20 years Ive lived in LA...as far east as Glendale and now on the west side where I've been for the last 16. I wouldn't say CA is averse to doing anything, but we definitely have more regulations and bureaucracy to deal with.
Short story, Hyundai/Kia not happy and are engaging politicians, and the EU things it may violate WTO trade rules by discrimination and are also pressuring for some changes.
One of my main concerns of EV ownership is evolution of battery technology and non-standards which can make for some very expensive ownership costs
Realize this is not typical, but it's difficult to guest what batteries will cost over lifetime of the EV.
One of my main concerns of EV ownership is evolution of battery technology and non-standards which can make for some very expensive ownership costs
Realize this is not typical, but it's difficult to guest what batteries will cost over lifetime of the EV.
In 2002 I bought a Honda Civic Hybrid. At the time, they said the battery was a $3,000 item but were 100% sure that in 8 years after the warranty ran out that if the pack needed replacing they estimated it would be $800. They were emphatic about this point. I only drove it for 4 years, but stayed on the owner forums and sure enough, around 2011 I checked back and there were people having to replace batteries at....wait for it...$3,000 a pop. Just the kind of repair you want on a 9 year old Civic.
That said, given how EV popularity is accelerating one would think battery cost would start to come down because no one is going to buy one if it takes $30k to keep it running after 10 years. Or the resale will tank and they don't want that either.
But that's also why I'll either target a 4-5 year ownership with an EV or stick with plug in hybrids for the time being.
1.) There are plenty of Teslas out there that are hitting the 10 year mark without having to replace the battery
2.) The warranty on the battery and drive unit is 8 years long
3.) I don't keep cars long enough to care about this stuff
The new policy, approved by the California Air Resources Board, will require all new cars sold in California to be free of greenhouse gas emissions by 2035 as part of an effort to fight climate change.
But with a heat wave forecast for the coming days, California's grid operator on Tuesday warned that the excessive heat would stress the energy grid and conservation may be needed over the holiday weekend to avert power outages.
"During a Flex Alert, consumers are urged to reduce energy use from 4-9 p.m. when the system is most stressed because demand for electricity remains high and there is less solar energy available," the release said.
AKA schedule charging for after midnight when there is less demand.
My car charges at 11pm when it's plugged in. I don't get cheaper rates or anything to do it at night but I do it just to reduce grid load. If I need more power in the day then I just tell the car to go.
It's a royal PITA to have time of day metering here in MN and is definitely not worth the cost to install all the hardware to make it happen. The cost of key low whats here is low enough that I don't care.
I put in my $250 to get on the list for a Tesla Model Y LR for hopefully a 2023 delivery and tax credit. I did test drive one and liked it, but I keep second guessing my decision. What other vehicles should I consider? The problem I have with a lot of EVs is they are either too small or too low to the ground. I initially liked Model 3 but had problems getting in and out of it, I'm 6'5". I was interested in the Genesis GV60 until I saw how small they are.
I'm currently in a 2016 RX450h, I'm wondering if I'm downgrading by going with Model Y. I'm interested in the upcoming RX450h+ but don't know the release date or pricing.
I put in my $250 to get on the list for a Tesla Model Y LR for hopefully a 2023 delivery and tax credit. I did test drive one and liked it, but I keep second guessing my decision. What other vehicles should I consider? The problem I have with a lot of EVs is they are either too small or too low to the ground. I initially liked Model 3 but had problems getting in and out of it, I'm 6'5". I was interested in the Genesis GV60 until I saw how small they are.
I'm currently in a 2016 RX450h, I'm wondering if I'm downgrading by going with Model Y. I'm interested in the upcoming RX450h+ but don't know the release date or pricing.
I have a 2016 RX450h as well. I'm going through the same thought process.
I was super interested in the 2023 RX450h+ but now the driving impression moratorium was lifted yesterday I've now seen several videos that cast a lot of doubt on it's availability. I saw one that did some digging, they said Toyota has a couple problems. First is limited supply of the batteries that go into these. Second is Europe and China all have more demanding requirements than the US, meaning the ones they DO build will be prioritized to go there. And even those that come to the US go to states with mandates (like CA). I've poked around the availability of the 2022 NX 450h+ and they don't exist outside a small handful in CA. Also why there aren't any Rav4 Primes.
The issue I've seen with the competing EVs to a Model Y also has to do with availability. I think the only one you can go out and get right now is a BMW iX. I drove a Kia EV6 and agree it's small and low to the ground. Cadillac Lyric is interesting but who knows when it will actually be available. Everything else seems very "on the drawing board" and "maybe available in 2024".
Still don't know if I'm ready for full EV yet. The single-charge range still gives me pause and limits about 5-10% of what I need to do each year. And I'm not sure I'm ready to have my life revolve around charging stations yet. So I was really taking a hard look at PHEVs. But in the world of SUVs, the only one you can actually get is a Volvo XC60 or 90. That's still on my list. I just wasn't blow away with the infotainment. The BMW X5 has a PHEV too.
So I'm back looking at better hybrids. Saw a couple reviews of the 2023 RX 350h and they were very positive. And ~40ish MPG would be a 25% step up from what I get now. I'd buy an RX 450h+ today if they had one. I'm not holding out any hope though. However, I've decided to defer any buying decision until 1Q23 where I can get a no-kidding look at availability.
I put in my $250 to get on the list for a Tesla Model Y LR for hopefully a 2023 delivery and tax credit. I did test drive one and liked it, but I keep second guessing my decision. What other vehicles should I consider? The problem I have with a lot of EVs is they are either too small or too low to the ground. I initially liked Model 3 but had problems getting in and out of it, I'm 6'5". I was interested in the Genesis GV60 until I saw how small they are.
I'm currently in a 2016 RX450h, I'm wondering if I'm downgrading by going with Model Y. I'm interested in the upcoming RX450h+ but don't know the release date or pricing.
The Y won't be a downgrade in performance. But build quality (material feel at least) will likely feel on par at best. Do you have a way to charge at home?
Yes, fate had it that water got into my outdoor electric meter and made its way into my panel. It caused a bunch of corrosion in there and half the panel failed. Because of that I had my service upgraded to 200A and had them drop a 50 amp outlet in my garage for future use. That's why I'm looking at EVs and PHEV. I really like the hybrid drive in the RX450h. I wouldn't mind another traditional hybrid, but I would like to use the plug that I had installed.
My concerns with the Tesla would be initial build quality, some chance that the rear drive motor could fail, and the service centers suck. My Lexus service center is great, they even pick up and drop off.
Yes, I did take a look at them. I'm open to leasing something and then trying again in 3 years. There should be a lot more EV options then. I'll see how things are looking towards the end of the year. Maybe we will get a surprise and 2023 vehicles will have better supply than 2022.
Yes, fate had it that water got into my outdoor electric meter and made its way into my panel. It caused a bunch of corrosion in there and half the panel failed. Because of that I had my service upgraded to 200A and had them drop a 50 amp outlet in my garage for future use. That's why I'm looking at EVs and PHEV. I really like the hybrid drive in the RX450h. I wouldn't mind another traditional hybrid, but I would like to use the plug that I had installed.
My concerns with the Tesla would be initial build quality, some chance that the rear drive motor could fail, and the service centers suck. My Lexus service center is great, they even pick up and drop off.
Honest answers...I had a 2022 RX350 as a rental car a few weeks ago and wasn't a fan of it at all. I'd say the material and build quality of that car wasn't a whole lot better than a refreshed Tesla interior. The infotainment in the Tesla is going to be leaps and bounds better than the Lexus.
Another anecdotal data point but I haven't had any issues with my car either and I'm now 11k miles in. Only problems were small cosmetic things that were fixed by mobile service in first few days. The warranty on the drive unit and battery is 8 years long so you should be fine with that. Service center quality is largely dependent on your location so what's good here may not be the case for you and vice versa. I'd ask on the Tesla forums for experiences from people close to you.
Another benefit is that the resale value of the Tesla is unreal lol.
1 year and 19,500 miles. I just had my steering wheel replaced because the vegan “leather” was bubbling in places. Easy breezy. They came to me and swapped it in 15 min and left. My SC has been great so far for all the times I’ve used them (tire rotations, homelink install, minor warranty fixes after delivery)
they are coming tomorrow to replace a piece of window trim that’s been slightly loose since delivery that I put off and to check out my mobile charger and charging port. Superchargers are working great but since my last trip to the desert no lvl2 home charger or mobile chargers to be working. SC called me the other day to gather more info and they have been very easy to get ahold via the messenger in the app. Even today when I gave them some info.
I know what I bought. I think most of the complaining I’ve had either been entitlement or people who don’t understand tech…at all. I know what I’ve bought. I know the potential for issues. So far I’ve been very happy with my Y and I’d own another tesla in a heartbeat.
I know what I bought. I think most of the complaining I’ve had either been entitlement or people who don’t understand tech…at all. I know what I’ve bought. I know the potential for issues. So far I’ve been very happy with my Y and I’d own another tesla in a heartbeat.
So much this. Lots of bitching and complaining on the forums and FB groups is from people thinking everything on the car should be free/warrantied.
So much this. Lots of bitching and complaining on the forums and FB groups is from people thinking everything on the car should be free/warrantied.
I see a lot of those comments too. A lot of people just hate EVs period. But I don't get why they think bitching about them on line serves any purpose.
1) If someone doesn't want an EV don't get one. No one is forcing them, and this noise that ICEs disappear in 10 years is nonsense. Such hysterical BS. There will be plenty of ICE options 10 years from now. Probably for the rest of my lifetime.
2) People buying EVs right now are giving a LOT of thought to it - just because there is a technology there that has to be understood, charging has to be planned for, etc. No one researching that decision to that extent is going to be swayed by some rando on social media ranting that EVs suck. The people making that decision are making a very thoughtful, conscious decision that has nothing to do with some guy's love affair with his Hellcat. No EV buyer cares what they think.
I see a lot of those comments too. A lot of people just hate EVs period. But I don't get why they think bitching about them on line serves any purpose.
1) If someone doesn't want an EV don't get one. No one is forcing them, and this noise that ICEs disappear in 10 years is nonsense. Such hysterical BS. There will be plenty of ICE options 10 years from now. Probably for the rest of my lifetime.
2) People buying EVs right now are giving a LOT of thought to it - just because there is a technology there that has to be understood, charging has to be planned for, etc. No one researching that decision to that extent is going to be swayed by some rando on social media ranting that EVs suck. The people making that decision are making a very thoughtful, conscious decision that has nothing to do with some guy's love affair with his Hellcat. No EV buyer cares what they think.
I’m talking about tesla owners on the pages. Half them I can’t understand how they have and use smart phones and computers. Because it’s clear they understand nothing. The Tesla is a big iPad with wheels. It’s simple to understand and figure out.
The other half have this sense of entitlement about everything and complain every little thing. And therefore tesla is terrible. 🙄
there are those who have had genuinely bad experiences. Much like any car brand. But their complaints are drowned out by the sea of idiots.
I’m talking about tesla owners on the pages. Half them I can’t understand how they have and use smart phones and computers. Because it’s clear they understand nothing. The Tesla is a big iPad with wheels. It’s simple to understand and figure out.
The other half have this sense of entitlement about everything and complain every little thing. And therefore tesla is terrible. 🙄
there are those who have had genuinely bad experiences. Much like any car brand. But their complaints are drowned out by the sea of idiots.
Yup.
But honestly the worst of the lot are the ones that think Tesla can do no wrong lol. FSD ran over their cat? Not a problem, they'll fix it in the next version. FSD killed grandma? No biggie, Elon will make sure the next version can properly make a right turn.
Honestly, that's the bigger sea of idiots in the Tesla world.
I’m talking about tesla owners on the pages. Half them I can’t understand how they have and use smart phones and computers. Because it’s clear they understand nothing. The Tesla is a big iPad with wheels. It’s simple to understand and figure out.
The other half have this sense of entitlement about everything and complain every little thing. And therefore tesla is terrible. 🙄
there are those who have had genuinely bad experiences. Much like any car brand. But their complaints are drowned out by the sea of idiots.
I think a lot of car brands have their version of this.
I own a Lexus RX 450h (hybrid) and I hang out on the IB Lexus forum too. It's not uncommon for someone to think the 450h is absolute crap and so is Lexus because they only get 25 mpg in their hybrid that's supposed to do better. When the truth of its they are likely either not driving it correctly or live somewhere harsh where no car will get it's stated MPG (or both). But, you know, Lexus sucks. 🙄
I see a lot of those comments too. A lot of people just hate EVs period. But I don't get why they think bitching about them on line serves any purpose.
1) If someone doesn't want an EV don't get one. No one is forcing them, and this noise that ICEs disappear in 10 years is nonsense. Such hysterical BS. There will be plenty of ICE options 10 years from now. Probably for the rest of my lifetime.
2) People buying EVs right now are giving a LOT of thought to it - just because there is a technology there that has to be understood, charging has to be planned for, etc. No one researching that decision to that extent is going to be swayed by some rando on social media ranting that EVs suck. The people making that decision are making a very thoughtful, conscious decision that has nothing to do with some guy's love affair with his Hellcat. No EV buyer cares what they think.
Except you got people from the cult who came out to say otherwise. We got a few here.
They make it very difficult to have a normal conversation about EV, cuz it is either Tesla or nothing and they dont even own 1.
Well, I think I am having my first "bad" experience with Tesla.
My appt for today was between 8-12. At 11:45 they call to me they are sorry and the tech who was supposed to come got a flat and was being towed back to Tesla. They didnt want to extend my appt and am I available tomorrow. Well, sadly I am not available tomorrow, and I said I would normally be flexible with this but since this pertains to the charging system I think its pretty important it get sussed out asap. She said yes and I could bring it to the Service Center now and it should take 45-60min. Great. I'm like 2-3 miles away. I jump in the car and head over. I get there and sit for a few minutes. A rep comes to get me. I ask how long should this take and he says 3-4 hours. I mention that I was told 45-60min. He said yes and they normally take walks in but they are slammed today. I politely say, "I dont mean to sound entitled because I did come today on my own accord, but I did have an appt that you guys have to cancel" He understood and said they will do what they can. So, I inquire about getting a loaner so I can get my errands done. I knew that uber vouchers were coming next. They offered a $100 uber vouchers. OK fine and I left. They called to tell me they replicated the problem and now they are figuring out an ETA...that was 50min ago. So, Im still waiting to know when I can get the car.
So, not what I would call a great experience. But not 100% anyone's fault and no one was being a jerk about it. Its just a giant inconvenience thats become a pain in my ass.
I guess the real test will be what condition the car will be in when I get it back. That's usually where I see the most SC complaints. But this one has a pretty good rep.
Well, I think I am having my first "bad" experience with Tesla.
My appt for today was between 8-12. At 11:45 they call to me they are sorry and the tech who was supposed to come got a flat and was being towed back to Tesla. They didnt want to extend my appt and am I available tomorrow. Well, sadly I am not available tomorrow, and I said I would normally be flexible with this but since this pertains to the charging system I think its pretty important it get sussed out asap. She said yes and I could bring it to the Service Center now and it should take 45-60min. Great. I'm like 2-3 miles away. I jump in the car and head over. I get there and sit for a few minutes. A rep comes to get me. I ask how long should this take and he says 3-4 hours. I mention that I was told 45-60min. He said yes and they normally take walks in but they are slammed today. I politely say, "I dont mean to sound entitled because I did come today on my own accord, but I did have an appt that you guys have to cancel" He understood and said they will do what they can. So, I inquire about getting a loaner so I can get my errands done. I knew that uber vouchers were coming next. They offered a $100 uber vouchers. OK fine and I left. They called to tell me they replicated the problem and now they are figuring out an ETA...that was 50min ago. So, Im still waiting to know when I can get the car.
So, not what I would call a great experience. But not 100% anyone's fault and no one was being a jerk about it. Its just a giant inconvenience thats become a pain in my ass.
I guess the real test will be what condition the car will be in when I get it back. That's usually where I see the most SC complaints. But this one has a pretty good rep.
Yah getting loaner from Tesla is like winning a lottery. Very difficult at least here in LA.
My Co worker with 2 Tesla (3 and Y) just had a flat tire when we were leaving the office the other day. completely flat. I was surprised that Y doesnt have with any kind of backup plans. No spare, no RF, and no inflator. I was like so if you were stuck in somewhere with no cell signals, then what? He waited for about 1.5 hrs for the tow truck to show up and bought a spare online the next day.
The same coworker also had to take the Y in (less than 2k miles) for some whining noise from the rear motor. Of course, no loaners and the Uber voucher was very "helpful" when he had to take uber back to the office, take the uber to pick up his kids from 2 different locations and take the uber back home all in 1 day.
Well, I think I am having my first "bad" experience with Tesla.
My appt for today was between 8-12. At 11:45 they call to me they are sorry and the tech who was supposed to come got a flat and was being towed back to Tesla. They didnt want to extend my appt and am I available tomorrow. Well, sadly I am not available tomorrow, and I said I would normally be flexible with this but since this pertains to the charging system I think its pretty important it get sussed out asap. She said yes and I could bring it to the Service Center now and it should take 45-60min. Great. I'm like 2-3 miles away. I jump in the car and head over. I get there and sit for a few minutes. A rep comes to get me. I ask how long should this take and he says 3-4 hours. I mention that I was told 45-60min. He said yes and they normally take walks in but they are slammed today. I politely say, "I dont mean to sound entitled because I did come today on my own accord, but I did have an appt that you guys have to cancel" He understood and said they will do what they can. So, I inquire about getting a loaner so I can get my errands done. I knew that uber vouchers were coming next. They offered a $100 uber vouchers. OK fine and I left. They called to tell me they replicated the problem and now they are figuring out an ETA...that was 50min ago. So, Im still waiting to know when I can get the car.
So, not what I would call a great experience. But not 100% anyone's fault and no one was being a jerk about it. Its just a giant inconvenience thats become a pain in my ass.
I guess the real test will be what condition the car will be in when I get it back. That's usually where I see the most SC complaints. But this one has a pretty good rep.
Honestly, this isn't a whole lot different than the antics of any other dealership service center. The big difference is in the loaner fleet. I'd imagine they should be getting a lot more loaners with all the inbound Model 3 lease returns (3yr leases starting in 2018=2022-2023 returns) people aren't allowed to buy out.
Honestly, this isn't a whole lot different than the antics of any other dealership service center. The big difference is in the loaner fleet. I'd imagine they should be getting a lot more loaners with all the inbound Model 3 lease returns (3yr leases starting in 2018=2022-2023 returns) people aren't allowed to buy out.
that’s why I put “bad” in quotes.
they called. They want to replace the charging core. But don’t have any in stock. So they ordered one and are trying to source one. They’ll let me know this evening if they are getting the core in time for tomorrow or either giving me a fleet loaner or a model 3 enterprise loaner.
And Uber sucks because they still charged my card. So I had go through their annoying customer service hoops to get them to fix it and take the voucher. But they did it.
Honestly, this isn't a whole lot different than the antics of any other dealership service center. The big difference is in the loaner fleet. I'd imagine they should be getting a lot more loaners with all the inbound Model 3 lease returns (3yr leases starting in 2018=2022-2023 returns) people aren't allowed to buy out.
I'm not so sure - the last two trips to Lexus and BMWs dealerships for scheduled maintenance only included offers for Uber with a relatively small credit - only enough for a local round trip. I think it's a trend that's catching on.
I'm not so sure - the last two trips to Lexus and BMWs dealerships for scheduled maintenance only included offers for Uber with a relatively small credit - only enough for a local round trip. I think it's a trend that's catching on.
well at least Tesla gives you $100 a day in Uber vouchers.
but I haven’t used Uber since before the pandemic and i forgot how much they suck. Waiting for rides. Drivers canceling rides. Close drivers not accepting rides. Uber eats a dick.
So, Tesla called me back. No other local service center has the part. So, they are sticking with ordering it. They said it could take up to 2 weeks. So, they are going to put me in a rental. Earlier he said Enterprise rentals are the same as what they typically give, so my guess is it will be a standard range model 3.
Now, Im debating do I just take the loaner or since the supercharging is still working, just take my car back until the part arrives. I need to see if they can come to me to perform the replacement when it arrives or if Id have to drop the car off again.
So, Tesla called me back. No other local service center has the part. So, they are sticking with ordering it. They said it could take up to 2 weeks. So, they are going to put me in a rental. Earlier he said Enterprise rentals are the same as what they typically give, so my guess is it will be a standard range model 3.
Now, Im debating do I just take the loaner or since the supercharging is still working, just take my car back until the part arrives. I need to see if they can come to me to perform the replacement when it arrives or if Id have to drop the car off again.
I'm not so sure - the last two trips to Lexus and BMWs dealerships for scheduled maintenance only included offers for Uber with a relatively small credit - only enough for a local round trip. I think it's a trend that's catching on.
Not sure about Lexus, but for all the BMW dealers i have visited, you can make an appointment with Loaner. Obviously, if you want a loaner, your appt date most likely will be 1-2 weeks later, rather than the next 1-2 days.
The shortage of cars have been an issue. I am actually surprised that they still offer loaners right now knowing how little inventory of new cars they have.
Not sure about Lexus, but for all the BMW dealers i have visited, you can make an appointment with Loaner. Obviously, if you want a loaner, your appt date most likely will be 1-2 weeks later, rather than the next 1-2 days.
The shortage of cars have been an issue. I am actually surprised that they still offer loaners right now knowing how little inventory of new cars they have.
bmw always gave me shit about trying to get a loaner.
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