M5 Lite

Say the price was equal. The top of the line Grand Prix (GTP, 240hp!) or bottom of the line (for now) 325i?

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spiroh

Depending on my needs. Looks the BMW. The GTP has more potential as far as performance. I would probably pick the 325 though.

Spiro

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Crazy Bimmer

well im a snob.. so id have to say the 325.

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BigPimp

Bimmer all the way. That Pontiac is a POS.

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Black CL-S 4-Life

Bimmer! I wouldn't be caught dead in that POS Grand Prix.

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ruvz

I wouldn't take the Pontiac for free!! Biggest P.O.S ever!



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davo-cls

With the price being equal, it shouldn't even be a choice. BMW definitely.

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soopa

Id go with the bimmer.

But Id skip them both and get a CLP.

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sigs21

Bimmer, and not the fat bitch car...


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gto2050

Get the BMW - PONTIAC stands for Poor Old Newbie Thinks It's A Cadillac!

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avengerjr

Agree...it would be the 325i for me


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thholr

is this even a valid question . Why in the world would anybody pick the GTP over any bimmer. Lord. The GTP is a huge POS. gET THE 325. but wait till they add all the new standard equipment for not much price increase if any.



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Type S Smokes All

this is like comparing apples to oranges. 325!!!!

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Satin Slayer

BMW for sure. I've owned a Pontiac before...'89 Grand Am...worst 5 years of my life!!!

GoldTypeS_RENAMED

325 easy choice. If you owned it for 4 years the BMW would be worth AT LEAST twice what the GTP is worth.

Acuraman

Like they ALL said!! BMW

I'd take the 'worst of the best' (of the 2 in comparison) over the 'best of the worst' any day!

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JRock

BMW even though the 325 is so wimpy. I'd rather have a 330 with whatever letters after "330" equal "performance".

-J

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lead_sled_dog

As problematic as the BMW "might" be (my 540 was very troublesome but a great car otherwise), the Pontiac brand is truly a POS. No comparison in my mind ... if choosing between the two ... BMW (but I would ask for the upgrade to the 850i ) ...

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mattldm

I almost bought, or I should say leased a 325i last week. The dealer would'nt come down enough on the payments, oh well!!

I would take the bimmer over any pontiac! Any day!

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M5 Lite

The reason I asked was because a guy I know (ex-friend) chose a Grand Prix GT (not GTP) over the 3 series BMW which he was buying used (a little more than the BMW, trust me money was NOT the issue). What an idiot! He was going to get the 328ci (1999) until he found out that I was on my way to buy my 3rd BMW and I'm younger than him.

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bc01cls

That's not even a valid question....who in their right mind would pick a Darth Vadermobile Plastic Car over a BMW?

M5 Lite

I know one person who did

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AkuraCLS

R U CRAZY?! BWM ALL THE WAY! sorry to say, but american car SUCK! my mom has a grand am, lets just say, i droped a couple car parts taking a hard right turn...we will leave it at that

rgraser

The 325! I owned a Pontiac Grand Am and it was the WORST car I have ever owned or even been associated with.

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SD_surfer

hehe...definately bimmer

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jabba

If you want a vehicle with excellent all-around build quality and good resale down the road, go with the BMW.

If you want a vehicle with poor build quality and very bad resale value, go with the Pontiac

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M5 Lite

Being a BMW, even I wouldn't say BMW has "excellent" all-around build quality. All around Performance, yes, however the build quality needs a tad bit of work. I would like the build quality to be as good as Lexus (from Japan, not US).



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SmoothJyzz

As much as we smite the BMW on occasion here, truly there's no comparison of it and the Pontiac. Go BMW all the way, better choice performance-wise, looks, financially, ego-wise...all around. I just can't see the logic behind choosing a (any) pontiac over the BMW.

dee

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z28typeSWRXkid

You guys are all fricken brain washed....the 325?!?!?! over a 280lbs of tourque sleeper?
325 = 2.5 liters...jesus christ how much power could that have?? And about the Pontiac being a pos it isnt...my dad had one for 3 years no problems except for brake rotors...id like to see a 325 do that

DRWBRTq19

Yes lets asume that they are equal price..... the bottom line NAVY battleship or the top of the line speed boat.... which would you chose? When you compare apples to oranges you can't decide because the differences are to extreme. If I had the money to buy a bottom of the line BMW (bimmer.... What the FUCK is that?) I WOULDNT. I've got you beat in HP, Torque, ETC.... What exactlly DO YOU HAVE ME IN? MPG ? Wow you got you got me by 2 mpg in the city.... and only 1 on the high way... so while I see you in MY rear veiw miorror you are saving gas. I'm so proud of you. Damn I wish I had a BIMMER now. (Oh BTW I paid less too) Love to hear from ya

animuL

I decided to check this post out after reading a thread on the ClubGP boards. All I can say is you sure do have some intelligent people around here. I mean, the guy that I quoted above evidentally feels so in touch with his car that he actually consideres himself a BMW . Tell you what, any of you live near me? I'll race you, I have a 3600 lb 4-door, front wheel drive 1991 Chevy Lumina that I put a 1998 GTP engine in. Oh, and your car better run 11s in the 1/4 mile if you expect to beat me. Try checking out my website: http://luminasupercharged.com I have some old videos of some 12 second passes on there for some proof. But I agree that you can't compare these cars as a whole. I honestly don't know much about what you guys drive but try comparing them in categories such as cost, performance, comfort, reliability, and ask yourself what you care about the most. For me, I just wanted to take the car I bought when I was 16 and make it fast. Well I did it and now, 3 yrs later, I have a 12 second Lumina (soon to be running 11s) and I wouldn't sell it if you gave me 3 of your guy's cars. I don't give a damn about exquisite comfort, if I did, maybe I would have thrown some wheels on a lazy boy. Reliability? Well, my car has never left me on the side of the road, or stuck anywhere unless it was my own fault. Performance has to go to the GTP. My car has an $80 supercharger pulley on it and a $400 nitrous system (running a 75 shot) and I run mid 13s w/o nitrous and mid 12s with it. As far as cost goes, we all know the GTP is much less expensive. So try looking at it in a different perspective, just saying that a GTP is a POS is dumb. Everyone's opinion of a car is going to be different and if you want to call it a POS because you think its unreliable and cheaply made, then I guess I can call the cl-s, or whatever, a POS because they are way slower than my car and yet they cost way more. Have fun bashing me however you want to and maybe I'll get the chance to meet one of you on the street or at the strip some day to show you why people that drive american cars, drive them for performance and not because the ass-dyno is a little softer.

amir was here

really simple.

if i was crazy about speed, the pontiac.

if i wasnt crazy about speed...the bmw

i dont see how you guys are discussing something so straight forward.

The person that bought obviuosly wanted speed.

"To Each His Own"

Sorry but this is a pretty dumb thread.

gjr2001

The Pontiac most certainly!!!! The Pontiac are the most
under-appreciated cars in the market today!!!!!

gjr2001

Nah!!! The Bimmer of course!!!

Eggplant-EX

Watch me get flamed....

GTP for sure!!! Why?

Everyone is into Beemers. I have owned a top of the line 96 Pontiac SE Grand Prix, fully loaded. Man! That was a fun car. It had dual pipes like our Acura but had a louder growl. My interior lights were the best I have ever seen. My buddies called it the Space Shuttle. I had the built-in compass (State of the Art in its day LOL) and the leather power seats where the headrest as well as lumbar could be adjusted with a switch. Our CL-S lumbar adjustment is a joke the way you have to crank. The lumbar on the Poctiac could be adjusted both ways (up/down as well as in/out).

My brother-in-law had a 325. Nice car but the electrics started to get screwy. They paid so much in service bills, they bought a Merk.

So. yes. GTP before the BMW in a heartbeat. But I would still take my CL-S over the GTP.

JRock

If I chose the GTP I'd be in a generic American car with a tacky interior.
If I chose the 325, I'd feel like a poser/wannabe who couldn't afford a real BMW.

I would choose to save the money and get something else.

GrandPrix

For all you dumb fu$#s that would take a BMW over a GTP, lets see some time slips and ET's! I will take any 3 series on the strip or street without blinking and eye.

As far as all you saying that you have had Pontiacs in the past, say an 89 Grand Am, that is by far no comparison to a 2000 GTP!

Get a life, and get a REAL car!

blxmjx

I personally wouldn't take either car. Keep this in mind though. Not everyone purchases a car to race around in 24/7. The grand prix is hands down faster and more powerful, the BMW is definitely higher end with features and comfort that would outclass the grand prix any day of the week.

I'd personally choose a c32 or e55 and smoke both the grand prix and bmw 3 series, while retaining the luxury status and high end amenities.

Grand Prix's aren't all that fast either, I used to smoke then handily in my old suv, "the Typhoon", I now smoke them easily in my lil ol' station wagon, "the WRX".

BakedWafer

With a BMW your paying for a badge, they are just as problem proned as any other vehicle. I owned a 2000 GTX before the 2001 CL-S and their is no comparison in buid quality (interior) to the CL-S. The CL-S wrecks the GTP in interior build and the exterior build is the same. Pontiac uses cheap plastic parts for most of its body parts. The GTP is not a POS, it is an average car for a average price. If you had to choose, you could be the yuppy with the BMW 325 or the asshole with that POS American GTP. I'll tell yah though all the BMW is gonna see is that gleeming Pontiac Logo. At 280 ft/ torque there is no comparison in performance.

If driving excitement means driving a car with cheap plastic parts and a very cheap interior build with lots of speed, then by all means drive excitement.

But if you want a car that will probably break down if you keep it any extended amount of time, don't get the BMW

Loreraven

This thread should be more appropiate to compare the 325 to a pontiac sunfire. Then of course I will choose the beemer. The GTP out classes the 325. There is nothing on the GTP that is a POS. I'll choose the GTP. If the GTP is compared to a M3 then I'll choose the beemer. Come on every car company makes a POS. And every car company TODAY also makes a decent car too. If you want to know something at least pontiac paint doesn't chip as easily as a beemer. The BMW is now using a new paint which sucks. You just flick the paint with your finger it breaks.