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Old 08-18-2005 | 06:34 PM
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Question What is the worst new car for sale today?

If you had to name one car as the worst on the road, what would it be? Only condition is that it has to be currently available for sale. I.E. Edsels wouldn't qualify.


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Old 08-18-2005 | 06:37 PM
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Old 08-18-2005 | 06:39 PM
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I would have to say the Pontiac Sunfire. After about 2 years, the car drives and feels like shit (even more than it did already). Not to mention the problems owners are having with them. I would never want to own one. And seat comfort is minimal, with crappy fabric. When I rode in one, I felt a metal bar pressing into my lower back. The interior is just abysmal, and the suspension is one of the worst on the road today.
Old 08-18-2005 | 06:44 PM
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Probably something sold in Mexico.
Old 08-18-2005 | 06:46 PM
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Probably something sold in Mexico.
I think we're talking about available for sale here, even though it wasn't explicitly stated. I heard Toyota is opening a few plants there.
Old 08-18-2005 | 07:33 PM
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Malibu Maxx, ugly on a whole new level, tons of problems and built on a platform from 1997 with an engine from 1994(?). It has nothing going for it, though that could be said of most all of GM's FWD cars.
Old 08-18-2005 | 07:59 PM
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USA and Canada Domestic models only ??

Hmmm... One of those Suzuki cars maybe ?? I didn't like hyundais for awhile (back in the 80's when they first came out), but they have gotten better... Kias aren't to bad... Do they still sell Daewoos ??
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I second the Pontiac Sunfire.. awful car
Old 08-18-2005 | 08:26 PM
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Buick Rendezvous

- Dumb name
- Dumb looking

Ford F I V E H U N D R E D

- So many styling elements ripped from other cars and incredibly poorly executed. It's so bad that I'd prefer to drive a Ford Taurus.

Chrysler PT Cruiser / Chevy HHR

- Enough with the retro already

New Mustang

- The car already looks dated. Again, enough with the retro. It's not cool.
Old 08-18-2005 | 08:36 PM
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Pontiac Sunfire
New Mitsubishi Eclipse gets my vote as well
Old 08-18-2005 | 10:41 PM
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you are all wrong, the worst car on sale today is the HHR
Old 08-18-2005 | 10:49 PM
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if the cougar is still for sale, i would have to say that is.
there is nowhere to rest your right arm and the left arm is never comfortable when driving. the view out the windows are minimal
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by VtecMW

New Mustang

- The car already looks dated. Again, enough with the retro. It's not cool.
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Originally Posted by VtecMW
Buick Rendezvous

- Dumb name
- Dumb looking

Ford F I V E H U N D R E D

- So many styling elements ripped from other cars and incredibly poorly executed. It's so bad that I'd prefer to drive a Ford Taurus.

Chrysler PT Cruiser / Chevy HHR

- Enough with the retro already

New Mustang

- The car already looks dated. Again, enough with the retro. It's not cool.
None of those cars sound like the WORST car on the road. Would you rather drive a Sunfire than a Ford 500? Not me.

Another thing to add that I forgot. Even though the Cavalier is essentially a clone of the Sucksfire, it somehow is not quite as bad, although it's just one notch better than the Sunfire.
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
Probably something sold in Mexico.

Yeah, or built there...I.E. the new Jetta...feels like its made with legos.
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:21 PM
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+1 vote for the Sunfart aka Sunfire. can't believe they still make that shitbox.

runner up would have to be the pt cruiser. god i hate those things.
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:41 PM
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Honda Insight, a POS that rides on bicycle tires.
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:44 PM
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Chevy Aveo

My sister had one as a loaner when her Accord was in being repaired and it felt like it was absolutely horrible. There isn't one good thing to say about that hunk of junk.

Oh yea, PT Cruiser isn't much better. AWFUL!
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:51 PM
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Mercedes Benz S Class. Incredible unreliability for premium prices.
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
Honda Insight, a POS that rides on bicycle tires.
Certainly there are far worse cars than a mostly handbuilt, aluminium body car that gets 60 mpg+ that costs $20,000
Old 08-18-2005 | 11:51 PM
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theres alotta cars on my list that i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot pole
Old 08-19-2005 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMirror
Mercedes Benz S Class. Incredible unreliability for premium prices.
S-Class > sunfire

I don't know what you're basing the unreliability claims on but none of my boss' 4 S-Class cars have had anything more than a brake job done over the years.
Old 08-19-2005 | 01:20 AM
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Aztec! Aztec! Aztec!
Old 08-19-2005 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
S-Class > sunfire

I don't know what you're basing the unreliability claims on but none of my boss' 4 S-Class cars have had anything more than a brake job done over the years.
A combination of personal friends and acquaintences, American reliability reports, German reliability surveys, and friends in England who know a Mercedes service shop owner. Its the W140 and W220 versions, not the bombproof W126.

Its strange, especially with the W140, if you do get a good one, no problems. If you're one of the unfortunates that get a bad one, its hell apparently. Mercedes themselves have recently acknowledged that the components sourced from suppliers are of inferior quality and need to be sorted out. Unheard of......

A quick google will pull up lots of stories of woe.

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Old 08-19-2005 | 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
you are all wrong, the worst car on sale today is the HHR
Whats wrong with the HHR. Have you seen them in person? They actually look pretty good. Underpowered, but nice looking.
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Aztec! Aztec! Aztec!
true, what the fuck is up with that thing?
Old 08-19-2005 | 08:08 AM
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JUNK!

All american commuter cars Ford 500, Chevy Malibu, Dodge neon, etc...
Old 08-19-2005 | 09:29 AM
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Dodge Neon
Old 08-19-2005 | 09:38 AM
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Pontiac Sunfire
New Mitsubishi Eclipse gets my vote as well

Old 08-19-2005 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dallison
if the cougar is still for sale, i would have to say that is.
there is nowhere to rest your right arm and the left arm is never comfortable when driving. the view out the windows are minimal
You can get an optional center arom rest storage bin.
Old 08-19-2005 | 10:46 AM
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Aztek is the ugliest pos on the road today.

How could anyone buy that thing?
Old 08-19-2005 | 10:51 AM
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I dig the Ford 500, cool concept


also, I finally saw an HHR on the road, looked sweet
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Suzuki blaming poor initial quality scores on GM Daewoo-produced vehicles
NORMAN THORPE | Automotive News
YUZO YAMAGUCHI | Automotive News
Posted Date: 8/18/05

Suzuki Motor Corp. is irritated that some of its cars assembled by GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. in South Korea are getting poor quality scores from U.S. consumers.

The discord between General Motors and Suzuki emerged after J.D. Power and Associates released its latest Initial Quality Study in May. In the study, Suzuki vehicles ranked last among the 36 nameplates rated.

In June, top brass from Suzuki and GM, which controls GM Daewoo, met in the United States. Suzuki's chairman, Osamu Suzuki, complained strongly to GM CEO Rick Wagoner about the quality problems at GM Daewoo, says Hirotaka Ono, the Suzuki board member in charge of U.S. and European sales.

Suzuki added cars to its lineup manufactured by GM Daewoo after GM, Suzuki and China's Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. created GM Daewoo from assets of bankrupt Daewoo Motor Co. in 2002.

The J.D. Power study measures problems reported by auto buyers after the first 90 days of ownership. Suzuki had 151 problems per 100 vehicles in this year's study, up from 149 last year. The industry average was 118.

"One reason for this, to be honest, is because we added (GM Daewoo) cars," Ono says.

Improvement team

The two sides agreed on the need to improve quality at the Korean unit, Ono says.

Among other steps, he says, they agreed to require GM Daewoo to review its engineering and suppliers. "Parts from suppliers are not always controlled well," Ono says.

Suzuki also has quality problems with some of its Suzuki-made cars. It has formed a team at its headquarters in Japan to fix them. It's called the J.D. Power Improvement Team.

GM Daewoo officials won't say what they're doing to remedy the problems with the cars GM Daewoo is building.

"We're not in a position to answer on behalf of Suzuki," says Rene Kreis, director of product communications at GM Daewoo's headquarters in Incheon, Korea. "Suzuki is one of our customers. We cannot answer on behalf of a customer."

One of the cars that contributed to the poor quality rating, says Ono, was the Suzuki Forenza, which is made by GM Daewoo at its Gunsan plant.

Michael Greywitt, director of media relations at J.D. Power, confirmed that problems with Forenzas affected the Suzuki score. In the IQS rating, "They are below average," he said.

The Forenza is Suzuki's most popular U.S. vehicle. The company sold 24,796 Forenzas in the United States last year, one-third of Suzuki's total.

Quality question

But the quality question goes beyond cars named Forenza. The car is sold under several other names in numerous other markets that weren't included in the J.D. Power study.

In all, GM Daewoo sold more than 154,000 of the cars last year.

The Forenza is a version of the GM Daewoo Lacetti. GM also sells the car in Canada as the Chevrolet Optra. It sold 16,853 Optras in Canada last year.

GM sells other versions of the car in Europe as the Chevrolet Lacetti and the Chevrolet Nubira. And it sold 19,797 of the cars in Korea as Daewoo Lacettis.

All these cars, with all these names and badges, came from the same assembly line in the Gunsan plant.

GM Daewoo makes the mid-sized Suzuki Verona in a different plant, at Bupyong, Korea.

Suzuki sold 12,874 Veronas in the United States last year, but in the J.D. Power quality survey there wasn't a large enough sample to include the Verona in the results, Greywitt said.

Another car made at Bupyong was rated in the study, however. That was the Chevrolet Aveo, which is GM Daewoo's best-selling car in North America.

The Aveo sold 70,354 units in the United States and Canada last year. It's also sold in Europe as the Kalos in most markets, and in Korea as the Kalos.

In the quality study, the Aveo "was about segment-average," Greywitt said.

No Aveos have a Suzuki badge, so the Aveo wasn't part of the Suzuki rating.

I'd take a GM over a Daewoo anyday.
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Aztec! Aztec! Aztec!

....I read an article back when they were still making that car... that some dealerships would display only one Aztec off to the side kinda hiden... even they were embarrased by it....

...and what da hell is a "HHR"?
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I personally don't like: (talking about this years models)

Acura
Oops, all good here.

Chrysler
PT Cruiser (please chrysler, just recall them and admit that you made cars that USUALLY only idiots buy because they dont' know how to drive to begin with)

VW
Beetle (someone sqaush it already)

Toyota
All especially the Prius and Solara. I hate those cars. Ugly as hell.

Buick, Kia, Saturn
All of them

Pontiac:
Sunfire, actually, all of them (gto is slowly growing on me).

Mitsubishi
Nearly all of them except the Evo

Scions
all of them
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Originally Posted by slyraskal
I personally don't like: (talking about this years models)

Acura
Oops, all good here.

Chrysler
PT Cruiser (please chrysler, just recall them and admit that you made cars that USUALLY only idiots buy because they dont' know how to drive to begin with)

VW
Beetle (someone sqaush it already)

Toyota
All especially the Prius and Solara. I hate those cars. Ugly as hell.

Buick, Kia, Saturn
All of them

Pontiac:
Sunfire, actually, all of them (gto is slowly growing on me).

Mitsubishi
Nearly all of them except the Evo

Scions
all of them
Which one of those is the absolute worst though? I'm sure you could rank them in some sort of order. Which one comes out on the bottom? Personally, I'd rather drive a Buick anything than a Sunfire, I'd rather even drive a Kia Rio.
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Which one of those is the absolute worst though? I'm sure you could rank them in some sort of order. Which one comes out on the bottom? Personally, I'd rather drive a Buick anything than a Sunfire, I'd rather even drive a Kia Rio.
Ranked from worse to even more worse:

Toyota Camry
Toyota Solara
Pontiac Sunfire
Toyota Prius
Mitsubishi Eclipse
Scions both of them
Chrysler PT Cruiser (i wouldn't cruise in this pos)
VW Beetle (someone sqaush it already)
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I dig the Ford 500, cool concept
you have to look at the 500 deeper, it's a blank canvas...some 22's and a drop and it would look as cool if not better than a 300 with the same treatment
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Certainly there are far worse cars than a mostly handbuilt, aluminium body car that gets 60 mpg+ that costs $20,000
The Insight is as slow as a dump truck, easily gets tossed around in cross winds, only has two seats, has less cargo space then a Vette, and to top it off it starts at around $20K. I think it's totally useless other then it gets good gas mileage (BTW, I’ve read complaints that most of them didn't get anywhere near the EPA MPG rating when they first came out). There are hybrids out there i.e. like Honda's own hybrid Civic that is much more useful, has better crash ratings, costs a little less, and better looking then that Insight.


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