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Old 03-18-2008, 08:08 AM
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As of October 1st, anyone caught doing 30mph over the speed limit in Florida faces vehicle confiscation, five to ten years in prison and a ten-year license suspension. Bill HB 137, which was signed into law earlier today, was originally targeted at motorcyclists, but was amended at the last minute to include all vehicles.
fill the prison system up with speeders? would this be considered cruel and unusual punishment?

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Seems a little extreme to me, but I know jail time would deter me from speeding
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Have to confirm this because I don't see this in the FL traffic statutes...
316.183 Unlawful speed.--

(1) No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing. In every event, speed shall be controlled as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any person, vehicle, or other conveyance or object on or entering the highway in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to use due care.

(2) On all streets or highways, the maximum speed limits for all vehicles must be 30 miles per hour in business or residence districts, and 55 miles per hour at any time at all other locations. However, with respect to a residence district, a county or municipality may set a maximum speed limit of 20 or 25 miles per hour on local streets and highways after an investigation determines that such a limit is reasonable. It is not necessary to conduct a separate investigation for each residence district. The minimum speed limit on all highways that comprise a part of the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways and have not fewer than four lanes is 40 miles per hour, except that when the posted speed limit is 70 miles per hour, the minimum speed limit is 50 miles per hour.

(3) No school bus shall exceed the posted speed limits, not to exceed 55 miles per hour at any time.

(4) The driver of every vehicle shall, consistent with the requirements of subsection (1), drive at an appropriately reduced speed when:

(a) Approaching and crossing an intersection or railway grade crossing;

(b) Approaching and going around a curve;

(c) Approaching a hill crest;

(d) Traveling upon any narrow or winding roadway; and

(e) Any special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic or by reason of weather or highway conditions.

(5) No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(6) No driver of a vehicle shall exceed the posted maximum speed limit in a work zone area.

(7) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

AND....

318.18 Amount of penalties.--The penalties required for a noncriminal disposition pursuant to s. 318.14 or a criminal offense listed in s. 318.17 are as follows:

(1) Fifteen dollars for:

(a) All infractions of pedestrian regulations.

(b) All infractions of s. 316.2065, unless otherwise specified.

(c) Other violations of chapter 316 by persons 14 years of age or under who are operating bicycles, regardless of the noncriminal traffic infraction's classification.

(2) Thirty dollars for all nonmoving traffic violations and:

(a) For all violations of s. 322.19.

(b) For all violations of ss. 320.0605, 320.07(1), 322.065, and 322.15(1). Any person who is cited for a violation of s. 320.07(1) shall be charged a delinquent fee pursuant to s. 320.07(4).

1. If a person who is cited for a violation of s. 320.0605 or s. 320.07 can show proof of having a valid registration at the time of arrest, the clerk of the court may dismiss the case and may assess a dismissal fee of up to $7.50. A person who finds it impossible or impractical to obtain a valid registration certificate must submit an affidavit detailing the reasons for the impossibility or impracticality. The reasons may include, but are not limited to, the fact that the vehicle was sold, stolen, or destroyed; that the state in which the vehicle is registered does not issue a certificate of registration; or that the vehicle is owned by another person.

2. If a person who is cited for a violation of s. 322.03, s. 322.065, or s. 322.15 can show a driver's license issued to him or her and valid at the time of arrest, the clerk of the court may dismiss the case and may assess a dismissal fee of up to $7.50.

3. If a person who is cited for a violation of s. 316.646 can show proof of security as required by s. 627.733, issued to the person and valid at the time of arrest, the clerk of the court may dismiss the case and may assess a dismissal fee of up to $7.50. A person who finds it impossible or impractical to obtain proof of security must submit an affidavit detailing the reasons for the impracticality. The reasons may include, but are not limited to, the fact that the vehicle has since been sold, stolen, or destroyed; that the owner or registrant of the vehicle is not required by s. 627.733 to maintain personal injury protection insurance; or that the vehicle is owned by another person.

(c) For all violations of ss. 316.2935 and 316.610. However, for a violation of s. 316.2935 or s. 316.610, if the person committing the violation corrects the defect and obtains proof of such timely repair by an affidavit of compliance executed by the law enforcement agency within 30 days from the date upon which the traffic citation was issued, and pays $4 to the law enforcement agency, thereby completing the affidavit of compliance, then upon presentation of said affidavit by the defendant to the clerk within the 30-day time period set forth under s. 318.14(4), the fine must be reduced to $7.50, which the clerk of the court shall retain.

(d) For all violations of s. 316.126(1)(b), unless otherwise specified.

(3)(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, $60 for all moving violations not requiring a mandatory appearance.

(b) For moving violations involving unlawful speed, the fines are as follows:


For speed exceeding the limit by:

Fine:


1-5 m.p.h ............ Warning

6-9 m.p.h ............ $25

10-14 m.p.h ............ $100

15-19 m.p.h ............ $125

20-29 m.p.h ............ $150

30 m.p.h. and above ............ $250

(c) Notwithstanding paragraph (b), a person cited for exceeding the speed limit by up to 5 m.p.h. in a legally posted school zone will be fined $50. A person exceeding the speed limit in a school zone shall pay a fine double the amount listed in paragraph (b).

(d) A person cited for exceeding the speed limit in a posted construction zone, which posting must include notification of the speed limit and the doubling of fines, shall pay a fine double the amount listed in paragraph (b). The fine shall be doubled for construction zone violations only if construction personnel are present or operating equipment on the road or immediately adjacent to the road under construction.

(e) A person cited for exceeding the speed limit in an enhanced penalty zone shall pay a fine amount of $50 plus the amount listed in paragraph (b). Notwithstanding paragraph (b), a person cited for exceeding the speed limit by up to 5 m.p.h. in a legally posted enhanced penalty zone shall pay a fine amount of $50.

(f) If a violation of s. 316.1301 or s. 316.1303 results in an injury to the pedestrian or damage to the property of the pedestrian, an additional fine of up to $250 shall be paid. This amount must be distributed pursuant to s. 318.21.

(g) A person cited for exceeding the speed limit within a zone posted for any electronic or manual toll collection facility shall pay a fine double the amount listed in paragraph (b). However, no person cited for exceeding the speed limit in any toll collection zone shall be subject to a doubled fine unless the governmental entity or authority controlling the toll collection zone first installs a traffic control device providing warning that speeding fines are doubled. Any such traffic control device must meet the requirements of the uniform system of traffic control devices.

(h) A person cited for a second or subsequent conviction of speed exceeding the limit by 30 miles per hour and above within a 12-month period shall pay a fine that is double the amount listed in paragraph (b). For purposes of this paragraph, the term "conviction" means a finding of guilt as a result of a jury verdict, nonjury trial, or entry of a plea of guilty. Moneys received from the increased fine imposed by this paragraph shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue and deposited into the Department of Health Administrative Trust Fund to provide financial support to certified trauma centers to assure the availability and accessibility of trauma services throughout the state. Funds deposited into the Administrative Trust Fund under this section shall be allocated as follows:

1. Fifty percent shall be allocated equally among all Level I, Level II, and pediatric trauma centers in recognition of readiness costs for maintaining trauma services.

2. Fifty percent shall be allocated among Level I, Level II, and pediatric trauma centers based on each center's relative volume of trauma cases as reported in the Department of Health Trauma Registry.

(4) The penalty imposed under s. 316.545 shall be determined by the officer in accordance with the provisions of ss. 316.535 and 316.545.

(5)(a) One hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.172(1)(a), failure to stop for a school bus. If, at a hearing, the alleged offender is found to have committed this offense, the court shall impose a minimum civil penalty of $100. In addition to this penalty, for a second or subsequent offense within a period of 5 years, the department shall suspend the driver's license of the person for not less than 90 days and not more than 6 months.

(b) Two hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.172(1)(b), passing a school bus on the side that children enter and exit when the school bus displays a stop signal. If, at a hearing, the alleged offender is found to have committed this offense, the court shall impose a minimum civil penalty of $200. In addition to this penalty, for a second or subsequent offense within a period of 5 years, the department shall suspend the driver's license of the person for not less than 180 days and not more than 1 year.

(6) One hundred dollars or the fine amount designated by county ordinance, plus court costs for illegally parking, under s. 316.1955, in a parking space provided for people who have disabilities. However, this fine will be waived if a person provides to the law enforcement agency that issued the citation for such a violation proof that the person committing the violation has a valid parking permit or license plate issued pursuant to s. 316.1958, s. 320.0842, s. 320.0843, s. 320.0845, or s. 320.0848 or a signed affidavit that the owner of the disabled parking permit or license plate was present at the time the violation occurred, and that such a parking permit or license plate was valid at the time the violation occurred. The law enforcement officer, upon determining that all required documentation has been submitted verifying that the required parking permit or license plate was valid at the time of the violation, must sign an affidavit of compliance. Upon provision of the affidavit of compliance and payment of a dismissal fee of up to $7.50 to the clerk of the circuit court, the clerk shall dismiss the citation.

(7) Mandatory $100 fine for each violation of s. 316.1001 plus the amount of the unpaid toll shown on the traffic citation for each citation issued. The clerk of the court shall forward $25 of the $100 fine received, plus the amount of the unpaid toll that is shown on the citation, to the governmental entity that issued the citation, or on whose behalf the citation was issued. If a plea arrangement is reached prior to the date set for a scheduled evidentiary hearing and adjudication is withheld, there shall be a mandatory fine assessed per citation of not less than $50 and not more than $100, plus the amount of the unpaid toll for each citation issued. The clerk of the court shall forward $25 of the fine imposed plus the amount of the unpaid toll that is shown on the citation to the governmental entity that issued the citation or on whose behalf the citation was issued. The court shall have specific authority to consolidate issued citations for the same defendant for the purpose of sentencing and aggregate jurisdiction. In addition, the department shall suspend for 60 days the driver's license of a person who is convicted of 10 violations of s. 316.1001 within a 36-month period. Any funds received by a governmental entity for this violation may be used for any lawful purpose related to the operation or maintenance of a toll facility.

(8)(a) Any person who fails to comply with the court's requirements or who fails to pay the civil penalties specified in this section within the 30-day period provided for in s. 318.14 must pay an additional civil penalty of $12, $2.50 of which must be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit in the General Revenue Fund, and $9.50 of which must be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit in the Highway Safety Operating Trust Fund. The department shall contract with the Florida Association of Court Clerks, Inc., to design, establish, operate, upgrade, and maintain an automated statewide Uniform Traffic Citation Accounting System to be operated by the clerks of the court which shall include, but not be limited to, the accounting for traffic infractions by type, a record of the disposition of the citations, and an accounting system for the fines assessed and the subsequent fine amounts paid to the clerks of the court. On or before December 1, 2001, the clerks of the court must provide the information required by this chapter to be transmitted to the department by electronic transmission pursuant to the contract.

(b) Any person who fails to comply with the court's requirements as to civil penalties specified in this section due to demonstrable financial hardship shall be authorized to satisfy such civil penalties by public works or community service. Each hour of such service shall be applied, at the rate of the minimum wage, toward payment of the person's civil penalties; provided, however, that if the person has a trade or profession for which there is a community service need and application, the rate for each hour of such service shall be the average standard wage for such trade or profession. Any person who fails to comply with the court's requirements as to such civil penalties who does not demonstrate financial hardship may also, at the discretion of the court, be authorized to satisfy such civil penalties by public works or community service in the same manner.

(c) If the noncriminal infraction has caused or resulted in the death of another, the person who committed the infraction may perform 120 community service hours under s. 316.027(4), in addition to any other penalties.

(9) One hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.1575.

(10) Twenty-five dollars for a violation of s. 316.2074.

(11)(a) In addition to the stated fine, court costs must be paid in the following amounts and shall be deposited by the clerk into the fine and forfeiture fund established pursuant to s. 142.01:


For pedestrian infractions ............ $ 3.

For nonmoving traffic infractions ............ $ 16.

For moving traffic infractions ............ $ 30.

(b) In addition to the court cost required under paragraph (a), up to $3 for each infraction shall be collected and distributed by the clerk in those counties that have been authorized to establish a criminal justice selection center or a criminal justice access and assessment center pursuant to the following special acts of the Legislature:

1. Chapter 87-423, Laws of Florida, for Brevard County.

2. Chapter 89-521, Laws of Florida, for Bay County.

3. Chapter 94-444, Laws of Florida, for Alachua County.

4. Chapter 97-333, Laws of Florida, for Pinellas County.

Funds collected by the clerk pursuant to this paragraph shall be distributed to the centers authorized by those special acts.

(c) In addition to the court cost required under paragraph (a), a $2.50 court cost must be paid for each infraction to be distributed by the clerk to the county to help pay for criminal justice education and training programs pursuant to s. 938.15. Funds from the distribution to the county not directed by the county to fund these centers or programs shall be retained by the clerk and used for funding the court-related services of the clerk.

(d) In addition to the court cost required under paragraph (a), a $3 court cost must be paid for each infraction to be distributed as provided in s. 938.01 and a $2 court cost as provided in s. 938.15 when assessed by a municipality or county.

(12) Two hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.520(1) or (2). If, at a hearing, the alleged offender is found to have committed this offense, the court shall impose a minimum civil penalty of $200. For a second or subsequent adjudication within a period of 5 years, the department shall suspend the driver's license of the person for not less than 1 year and not more than 2 years.

(13) In addition to any penalties imposed for noncriminal traffic infractions pursuant to this chapter or imposed for criminal violations listed in s. 318.17, a board of county commissioners or any unit of local government which is consolidated as provided by s. 9, Art. VIII of the State Constitution of 1885, as preserved by s. 6(e), Art. VIII of the Constitution of 1968:

(a) May impose by ordinance a surcharge of up to $15 for any infraction or violation to fund state court facilities. The court shall not waive this surcharge. Up to 25 percent of the revenue from such surcharge may be used to support local law libraries provided that the county or unit of local government provides a level of service equal to that provided prior to July 1, 2004, which shall include the continuation of library facilities located in or near the county courthouse or annexes.

(b) That imposed increased fees or service charges by ordinance under s. 28.2401, s. 28.241, or s. 34.041 for the purpose of securing payment of the principal and interest on bonds issued by the county before July 1, 2003, to finance state court facilities, may impose by ordinance a surcharge for any infraction or violation for the exclusive purpose of securing payment of the principal and interest on bonds issued by the county before July 1, 2003, to fund state court facilities until the date of stated maturity. The court shall not waive this surcharge. Such surcharge may not exceed an amount per violation calculated as the quotient of the maximum annual payment of the principal and interest on the bonds as of July 1, 2003, divided by the number of traffic citations for county fiscal year 2002-2003 certified as paid by the clerk of the court of the county. Such quotient shall be rounded up to the next highest dollar amount. The bonds may be refunded only if savings will be realized on payments of debt service and the refunding bonds are scheduled to mature on the same date or before the bonds being refunded. Notwithstanding any of the foregoing provisions of this paragraph that limit the use of surcharge revenues, if the revenues generated as a result of the adoption of this ordinance exceed the debt service on the bonds, the surplus revenues may be used to pay down the debt service on the bonds; fund other state-court-facility construction projects as may be certified by the chief judge as necessary to address unexpected growth in caseloads, emergency requirements to accommodate public access, threats to the safety of the public, judges, staff, and litigants, or other exigent circumstances; or support local law libraries in or near the county courthouse or annexes.

A county may not impose both of the surcharges authorized under paragraphs (a) and (b) concurrently. The clerk of court shall report, no later than 30 days after the end of the quarter, the amount of funds collected under this subsection during each quarter of the fiscal year. The clerk shall submit the report, in a format developed by the Office of State Courts Administrator, to the chief judge of the circuit, the Governor, the President of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

(14) In addition to any penalties imposed for noncriminal traffic infractions under this chapter or imposed for criminal violations listed in s. 318.17, any unit of local government that is consolidated as provided by s. 9, Art. VIII of the State Constitution of 1885, as preserved by s. 6(e), Art. VIII of the State Constitution of 1968, and that is granted the authority in the State Constitution to exercise all the powers of a municipal corporation, and any unit of local government operating under a home rule charter adopted pursuant to ss. 10, 11, and 24, Art. VIII of the State Constitution of 1885, as preserved by s. 6(e), Art. VIII of the State Constitution of 1968, that is granted the authority in the State Constitution to exercise all the powers conferred now or hereafter by general law upon municipalities, may impose by ordinance a surcharge of up to $15 for any infraction or violation. Revenue from the surcharge shall be transferred to such unit of local government for the purpose of replacing fine revenue deposited into the clerk's fine and forfeiture fund under s. 142.01. The court may not waive this surcharge. Proceeds from the imposition of the surcharge authorized in this subsection shall not be used for the purpose of securing payment of the principal and interest on bonds.

(15) One hundred twenty-five dollars for a violation of s. 316.074(1) or s. 316.075(1)(c)1. when a driver has failed to stop at a traffic signal. Sixty dollars shall be distributed as provided in s. 318.21, and the remaining $65 shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue for deposit into the Administrative Trust Fund of the Department of Health.

(16) One hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.622(3) or (4), for a vehicle that fails to display a sticker authorizing it to transport migrant or seasonal farm workers or fails to display standardized notification instructions requiring passengers to fasten their seat belts. Two hundred dollars for a violation of s. 316.622(1) or (2), for operating a farm labor vehicle that fails to conform to vehicle safety standards or lacks seat belt assemblies at each passenger position.

(17) In addition to any penalties imposed, a surcharge of $3 must be paid for all criminal offenses listed in s. 318.17 and for all noncriminal moving traffic violations under chapter 316. Revenue from the surcharge shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue and deposited quarterly into the State Agency Law Enforcement Radio System Trust Fund of the Department of Management Services for the state agency law enforcement radio system, as described in s. 282.1095. This subsection expires July 1, 2012. The Department of Management Services may retain funds sufficient to recover the costs and expenses incurred for the purposes of managing, administering, and overseeing the Statewide Law Enforcement Radio System. The Department of Management Services working in conjunction with the Joint Task Force on State Agency Law Enforcement Communications shall determine and direct the purposes for which these funds are used to enhance and improve the radio system.
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I don't see this actually happening...it will be repealed.
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1 question? is the punishment any more harsh than trying to run?
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Its brand new.

Mostly designed for the bikers.

Doesnt effect me, but its pretty nuts that youre better off drunk driving than speeding.
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Originally introduced by State Rep. Carlos Lopez-Cantera, who developed an irrational fear of bikers after he witnessed some pulling wheelies and driving dangerously during a ride-along with Miami police...
So a 35 year old guy is scared of motorcycles and is taking a personal stance to confiscate a bike if going over 30mph... sounds like a douche to me.
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this is VERY :ghey: if true.
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Originally Posted by SakiGT
Its brand new.

Mostly designed for the bikers.

Doesnt effect me, but its pretty nuts that youre better off drunk driving than speeding.
I don't even see the statute stated in the news story on FL's website.
316.1926
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Edit, ok yeah I confirmed it. It's real.

And yeah I thin it will get repealed, or changed.
Effective October 1, 2008

That blows. I do 30 over on the turnpike sometimes.
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^ Just keep it at 29 over and you're golden
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Haha I was just tearing up our rental car in South Beach/Ft.lauderdale.....good thing I didn't get clocked by the 5-0

My god, their freeways are like race tracks and I swear NOBODY can drive down there...its like a free for all death match. I thought MD/DC/NOVA was bad...I can't even count the number of times cars would swerve last minute from an exit ramp back to the freeway The bikers down there are crazy too, I was coming back from SB and this group of bikes FLY past me like I was standing still.
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Originally Posted by o1s
1 question? is the punishment any more harsh than trying to run?
i was thinking the same thing, 5-10yrs in prison plus no license for 10 yrs....theres no way anyone would just stop. i've seen people that have gotten manslaughter with a lighter punishment than this.
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Haha I was just tearing up our rental car in South Beach/Ft.lauderdale.....good thing I didn't get clocked by the 5-0

My god, their freeways are like race tracks and I swear NOBODY can drive down there...its like a free for all death match. I thought MD/DC/NOVA was bad...I can't even count the number of times cars would swerve last minute from an exit ramp back to the freeway The bikers down there are crazy too, I was coming back from SB and this group of bikes FLY past me like I was standing still.
Yep, that's about right.
The turnpike is nuts. I'm doing 95 & people FLY by me.
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MINIMUM 5 years??????
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Originally Posted by o1s
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fill the prison system up with speeders? would this be considered cruel and unusual punishment?
WHAT the fuck? I heard about this bill on National Public Radio yesterday and when they mentioned that only motorcyclists going 30+ speed limit were gonna be targeted, I just chuckled and thought about all those motorcyclists going between cars on the white lines going through traffic at blisteringly fast speeds.

Guess the jokes on me.

Not that I go 30+ at all, You never know what to expect cops to do/say with the power they've got.

Who amended that summabitch at the last second? Fucking asshole I will make sure to NOT vote for him in November if he's up for re-election.
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So I'm guessing that this will probably end up with more motorcycle accidents, because I can't think of anyone who wouldn't run given the situation, especially if they were on a bike. I guess this is what Florida gets for allowing all of the old people from New York to come live there...
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Haha I was just tearing up our rental car in South Beach/Ft.lauderdale.....good thing I didn't get clocked by the 5-0

My god, their freeways are like race tracks and I swear NOBODY can drive down there...its like a free for all death match. I thought MD/DC/NOVA was bad...I can't even count the number of times cars would swerve last minute from an exit ramp back to the freeway The bikers down there are crazy too, I was coming back from SB and this group of bikes FLY past me like I was standing still.


I only saw one cop on the streets of MIA and he was flying past me on a street outside the mall.
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Originally Posted by fuzzy02CLS
Yep, that's about right.
The turnpike is nuts. I'm doing 95 & people FLY by me.
Your more brave than I. I'm scared to do 6+ miles over the limit on the TP. There are just too many Camo Cops (Cops/Troopers in unmarked vehicles) on the Turnpike just waiting to pull someone over.

What opened my eyes one time, was when I seen someone get pulled over buy a white, light duty Toyota pickup truck in Atlanta.
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So a 35 year old guy is scared of motorcycles and is taking a personal stance to confiscate a bike if going over 30mph... sounds like a douche to me.
Don't speed and it won't be an issue.
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Ontario passed this a few months before Florida, ya it's stupid, people are starting to lose everything because of a mistake. I heard a story of a business guy that was late to an important meeting and sqwaked his tires leaving a light, a cop deemed it street racing because there was a car beside him. Boom car confiscated, missed his meeting, probably lost sales and any respect he had at work etc etc etc....stupid law if you ask me.
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Your more brave than I. I'm scared to do 6+ miles over the limit on the TP. There are just too many Camo Cops (Cops/Troopers in unmarked vehicles) on the Turnpike just waiting to pull someone over.

What opened my eyes one time, was when I seen someone get pulled over buy a white, light duty Toyota pickup truck in Atlanta.
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Originally Posted by The Dougler
Ontario passed this a few months before Florida, ya it's stupid, people are starting to lose everything because of a mistake. I heard a story of a business guy that was late to an important meeting and sqwaked his tires leaving a light, a cop deemed it street racing because there was a car beside him. Boom car confiscated, missed his meeting, probably lost sales and any respect he had at work etc etc etc....stupid law if you ask me.
Just for clarity, the Ontario one doesn't call for prison terms of 5-10. I think its only a stupid law if it is used incorrectly ( ie the squacking tires incident). The purpose is to punish street racers- and after having bail to the shoulder of the 401 on the weekend to avoid one of those little cockslaps doing 150 and crossing four lanes of traffic, I wish the 5-0 would have been close and slapped them with the ticket
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Originally Posted by Steelers Wheels
Just for clarity, the Ontario one doesn't call for prison terms of 5-10. I think its only a stupid law if it is used incorrectly ( ie the squacking tires incident). The purpose is to punish street racers- and after having bail to the shoulder of the 401 on the weekend to avoid one of those little cockslaps doing 150 and crossing four lanes of traffic, I wish the 5-0 would have been close and slapped them with the ticket

Sorry but you put a law like that into somebody's hands and it's going to be abused.

There is no way in hell I would live anywhere with a law like that. Tires squeeling and confiscated? Hell if theres gravel it can happen.... or even just low tire pressure.

Stupid.
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