AZuser

"best mix of value, fun, reliability?" The TL wins in the value and reliability dept.

But the Bimmer is more fun to drive

neuronbob

If you replace the nose of the TL with a RonJon grille, it's not half bad. It definitely wins in the value and reliability categories. I'd go with a NEW TL over a USED non-CPO BMW. If the BMW were new or (as is one of your options) a CPO, then it's a no-brainer. The BMW is better-looking and more fun to drive.

grntl

i know how you feel and agree that the new ones just don't look nearly as good as the previous models. at least that's how i felt until recently when i was out on the dealers lot looking at the new ones and discovered a color i had never seen before. it is called palladium metallic and it seems to do a much better job at matching up with the oddly colored exterior trim which i so disliked before! may i suggest that it may be worth a call to your dealer to see if they have one outside in the natural light where you can check it out for yourself and then you decide. i know it really did the trick for me! i hope you post your decision and wish you good luck no matter how you choose! as for me and mine, we are really "acura DIE HARDS"!!!