Ulimate Japanese Sports Car
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Ulimate Japanese Sports Car
I'm sure most of you will no doubt agree is the NSX-R, but I was surprised that even on a major lexus forum, most there also agree that the NSX is by far the ultimate sports car, despite not having the best performance out there.
Everybody here agree the NSX is the best?
Only others that might come close:
Skyline GTR
Supra
2000GT
Here's what clublexus thought:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288888
damn some of those responses made me want to get one
Kindof surprising, given all this time, nothing else has surpassed it yet...
Everybody here agree the NSX is the best?
Only others that might come close:
Skyline GTR
Supra
2000GT
Here's what clublexus thought:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288888
damn some of those responses made me want to get one
Kindof surprising, given all this time, nothing else has surpassed it yet...
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the boss said no
The NSX gets my vote, w/the Skyline with a close 2nd
the boss said no
The NSX gets my vote, w/the Skyline with a close 2nd
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Originally Posted by revitupwriteitoff
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the boss said no
The NSX gets my vote, w/the Skyline with a close 2nd
the boss said no
The NSX gets my vote, w/the Skyline with a close 2nd
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NSX-R is definitely the best sports car from Japan. It's light, nimble, well balanced, and a phenomenal car in just about every way. Sure it's not the most powerful, but it has more than adequate power and is still pretty competitive even after 15 years. The problem with cars like the Supra and the Skyline are that they are heavy and complicated, which the NSX is not.
I definitely wish I could afford one...
I definitely wish I could afford one...
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You know what, I truly loved the NSX when it came out, it was one of those cars as a kid I used to dream about wanting to own (so was the S2k, and my dream came true with that). I drove an NSX a few years back, I don't know if it was the fact that the owner didn't particularly baby the car, but I wasn't all that impressed with it. It drove great, was a good thrill to drive, but it didn't have that solid "Honda" feel to it, could have been the fact that it's based on a Chassis designed in the early 90's and doesn't have the structural rigidity of newer cars today, I don't know.. I would still want to get one though!
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if we are talking "sports" car then the RX7/NSX have it won
skyline / supra are more known for their highlighted horsepower potential output, we all become such fans throughout the years we loose sight at what the definition of a sports car really is. NSX / RX7 hands down imho
skyline / supra are more known for their highlighted horsepower potential output, we all become such fans throughout the years we loose sight at what the definition of a sports car really is. NSX / RX7 hands down imho
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NSX is a better balanced car and more refined feeling to the driver than the Supra ...but I have yet to run into one on the track (roadcourse track days, not pro racing) that can come even close to hanging with me, even on the tight and technical track layouts.
Even factory stock, the Supra cornered at 0.98g on mid 90's tire technology, and braking was also world class, so that kind of performance is nothing to scoff at.
As far as "complicated", if you mean looks complicated well maybe. But my '95 turbo was pure stock one owner with 15k miles on it when I got it, I did the basic upgrades to "BPU" after a year, then stayed that way for another 5 yrs or so, drove the piss out of it on the track and was not gentle with it on the street either, though I did mechanically take care of everything as much as possible, and nothing has ever gone wrong with the car ever ...so it is highly reliable. Now that I threw a small single turbo setup on it with fuel, it makes another hundred hp to the wheels on top of that and still runs like a swiss watch.
But I do have a soft spot for NSX's and wouldn't mind adding one to my garage some day.
Even factory stock, the Supra cornered at 0.98g on mid 90's tire technology, and braking was also world class, so that kind of performance is nothing to scoff at.
As far as "complicated", if you mean looks complicated well maybe. But my '95 turbo was pure stock one owner with 15k miles on it when I got it, I did the basic upgrades to "BPU" after a year, then stayed that way for another 5 yrs or so, drove the piss out of it on the track and was not gentle with it on the street either, though I did mechanically take care of everything as much as possible, and nothing has ever gone wrong with the car ever ...so it is highly reliable. Now that I threw a small single turbo setup on it with fuel, it makes another hundred hp to the wheels on top of that and still runs like a swiss watch.
But I do have a soft spot for NSX's and wouldn't mind adding one to my garage some day.
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The normal NSX is more like a grand touring car than a track car. I mean a normal NSX is still very fun to drive on a track, but it may not give you the best lap times. However, it's the type R version that really shines on tracks.
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Got a question - I've never driven or even sat in an NSX before, but in all the interior pictures I see, the manual transmission gate looks really narrow. Does it have a regular H pattern or is it some non-traditional setup?
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Originally Posted by Deity711
Got a question - I've never driven or even sat in an NSX before, but in all the interior pictures I see, the manual transmission gate looks really narrow. Does it have a regular H pattern or is it some non-traditional setup?
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
It's a regular H-Pattern. The gate looks narrow mostly because of where the gate is positioned relative to the pivot point of the shifter.
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You know what, I truly loved the NSX when it came out, it was one of those cars as a kid I used to dream about wanting to own (so was the S2k, and my dream came true with that). I drove an NSX a few years back, I don't know if it was the fact that the owner didn't particularly baby the car, but I wasn't all that impressed with it. It drove great, was a good thrill to drive, but it didn't have that solid "Honda" feel to it, could have been the fact that it's based on a Chassis designed in the early 90's and doesn't have the structural rigidity of newer cars today, I don't know.. I would still want to get one though!
I recall lusting for the NSX when it came out as a teen. The best analogy I can think of is, she's the hot girl you totally wanted but couldn't pull in high school, it's 17 years later and you've improved with age, but she didn't. Now you have the confidence and money to get with her, but she's no longer the prized score that you dreamt about.
Too bad Honda let her die a slow death and is completely fuxoring the replacement.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
I recall lusting for the NSX when it came out as a teen. The best analogy I can think of is, she's the hot girl you totally wanted but couldn't pull in high school, it's 17 years later and you've improved with age, but she didn't. Now you have the confidence and money to get with her, but she's no longer the prized score that you dreamt about.
Too bad Honda let her die a slow death and is completely fuxoring the replacement.
Too bad Honda let her die a slow death and is completely fuxoring the replacement.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
I recall lusting for the NSX when it came out as a teen. The best analogy I can think of is, she's the hot girl you totally wanted but couldn't pull in high school, it's 17 years later and you've improved with age, but she didn't. Now you have the confidence and money to get with her, but she's no longer the prized score that you dreamt about.
yeah but with most women, money can make her great once again...
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
I recall lusting for the NSX when it came out as a teen. The best analogy I can think of is, she's the hot girl you totally wanted but couldn't pull in high school, it's 17 years later and you've improved with age, but she didn't. Now you have the confidence and money to get with her, but she's no longer the prized score that you dreamt about.
Too bad Honda let her die a slow death and is completely fuxoring the replacement.
Too bad Honda let her die a slow death and is completely fuxoring the replacement.
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I stared at my monitor with my jaw wide open the first time I saw it.
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Am I the only one it bothers that Chevy ripped off the Skyline taillights to put on the Impala? Maybe I'm crazy, but years ago when Chevy came out w/that body style, that's one of the first things I noticed.
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yeah but with most women, money can make her great once again...
Why is the 911 so iconic, because they have continuously improved, but stayed true to the original cues: rear engine, low mass, familiar sillouhette.
IMO, there was no reason Honda couldn't have turned the NSX into an icon by staying true to: mid engine, lightweight, high-revving...
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i vote for the NSX as well.
Although the Skyline and Supra are great cars. I don't consider them deserving of being the ultimate Japanese sports car. Like if you compare them to american cars, I'd say they are more like the Mustang/Camaro. Icons in their own right, but no Corvette. They will always have the smaller less powerful versions sullying their bloodline, and they depend a lot on aftermarket industry. NSX was always purpose built, but too bad it didn't last longer. It's hard to be an icon if you are only around for like 15 years.
Although the Skyline and Supra are great cars. I don't consider them deserving of being the ultimate Japanese sports car. Like if you compare them to american cars, I'd say they are more like the Mustang/Camaro. Icons in their own right, but no Corvette. They will always have the smaller less powerful versions sullying their bloodline, and they depend a lot on aftermarket industry. NSX was always purpose built, but too bad it didn't last longer. It's hard to be an icon if you are only around for like 15 years.
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The NSX-R is the best japanese sports car ever built.It was focused on driving,balance,weight and every other thing that made it spectacular. Close second is the Skyline R34 which was a phenomenal machine
The NSX-R is the best japanese sports car ever built.It was focused on driving,balance,weight and every other thing that made it spectacular. Close second is the Skyline R34 which was a phenomenal machine
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Originally Posted by swift22
you forgot one version...
there was a reason for the gentleman's agreement
The nsx GT-R version.
there was a reason for the gentleman's agreement
The nsx GT-R version.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
IMO, there was no reason Honda couldn't have turned the NSX into an icon by staying true to: mid engine, lightweight, high-revving...
well said
I will have one soon enough
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Originally Posted by trancemission
well said
I will have one soon enough
I will have one soon enough
I knew my wife wanted to move back to Dallas for a reason! trancemission's garage FTW
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My cousin used to have one 92 NSX-T. I always drive it cause I was not allowed to touch his M5 Benine Edition, lol.
It's so fun to drive it.
It's so fun to drive it.
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just because of its easy moddability and resulting ungodly power levels, along with its not-nearly-as-important cult-like status, my nod goes to the Supra.
I know, shocking.
I know, shocking.
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
True, but in this case Honda is doubling the cost of entry.
Why is the 911 so iconic, because they have continuously improved, but stayed true to the original cues: rear engine, low mass, familiar sillouhette.
IMO, there was no reason Honda couldn't have turned the NSX into an icon by staying true to: mid engine, lightweight, high-revving...
Why is the 911 so iconic, because they have continuously improved, but stayed true to the original cues: rear engine, low mass, familiar sillouhette.
IMO, there was no reason Honda couldn't have turned the NSX into an icon by staying true to: mid engine, lightweight, high-revving...
If only Honda could have done what you suggested and followed Porsche's plan...
I think that would have been an excellent decision.
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Yep.
NSX is close, but it is more of an exotic than a sports car.
The others are 2+2s, and so are GTs rather than sports cars, the way I look at it.
The Miata has outsold all the others combined and is pretty much the epitome of a sports car. Its a light, good handling two-seater that puts emphasis on simplicity and driving experience rather than luxury, style or power.
I personally would rather have a Supra, but I consider it to be more of a GT.
Yep.
NSX is close, but it is more of an exotic than a sports car.
The others are 2+2s, and so are GTs rather than sports cars, the way I look at it.
The Miata has outsold all the others combined and is pretty much the epitome of a sports car. Its a light, good handling two-seater that puts emphasis on simplicity and driving experience rather than luxury, style or power.
I personally would rather have a Supra, but I consider it to be more of a GT.
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Mazda Miata.
Yep.
NSX is close, but it is more of an exotic than a sports car.
The others are 2+2s, and so are GTs rather than sports cars, the way I look at it.
The Miata has outsold all the others combined and is pretty much the epitome of a sports car. Its a light, good handling two-seater that puts emphasis on simplicity and driving experience rather than luxury, style or power.
I personally would rather have a Supra, but I consider it to be more of a GT.
Yep.
NSX is close, but it is more of an exotic than a sports car.
The others are 2+2s, and so are GTs rather than sports cars, the way I look at it.
The Miata has outsold all the others combined and is pretty much the epitome of a sports car. Its a light, good handling two-seater that puts emphasis on simplicity and driving experience rather than luxury, style or power.
I personally would rather have a Supra, but I consider it to be more of a GT.
Being sort of an old school kinda guy who can take a hard line on this idea, I agree. I actually wrote up a reply sort of like what brizey said but decided not to "rake the muck" since so many people seem to think otherwise. No matter how good an M3 might handle, it sure ain't no sports car; neither is a Supra.
So I thought about ..."what is a sports car?": to me the true definition excludes anything with a back seat and maybe even anything with a fixed roof; those are GT cars not sports cars.
But my conclusion from all that bs is that I would choose the RX7 over the Miata, in particular the FD which is an awesome sports car platform ...not to mention I can make a hybrid out of it by installing an LS7, in the good old tradition of American hotrodding (and other hotrodders, too) where throwing a nice big motor into a small light car and still keeping it well balanced is the route to nirvana.
If this wasn't Acurazine, I'd throw in a big plug for the Toyota 2000GT too.
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Originally Posted by brizey
Mazda Miata.
You beat me to it
with that said, i've driven a skyline, nsx, supra, rx7
I think the NSX isn't at the top of the list. It was a good handling car and fun don't get me wrong
I'm also with nick, the 2000GT is up there
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Originally Posted by TSXey
Being sort of an old school kinda guy who can take a hard line on this idea, I agree. I actually wrote up a reply sort of like what brizey said but decided not to "rake the muck" since so many people seem to think otherwise. No matter how good an M3 might handle, it sure ain't no sports car; neither is a Supra.
So I thought about ..."what is a sports car?": to me the true definition excludes anything with a back seat and maybe even anything with a fixed roof; those are GT cars not sports cars.
But my conclusion from all that bs is that I would choose the RX7 over the Miata, in particular the FD which is an awesome sports car platform ...not to mention I can make a hybrid out of it by installing an LS7, in the good old tradition of American hotrodding (and other hotrodders, too) where throwing a nice big motor into a small light car and still keeping it well balanced is the route to nirvana.
If this wasn't Acurazine, I'd throw in a big plug for the Toyota 2000GT too.
So I thought about ..."what is a sports car?": to me the true definition excludes anything with a back seat and maybe even anything with a fixed roof; those are GT cars not sports cars.
But my conclusion from all that bs is that I would choose the RX7 over the Miata, in particular the FD which is an awesome sports car platform ...not to mention I can make a hybrid out of it by installing an LS7, in the good old tradition of American hotrodding (and other hotrodders, too) where throwing a nice big motor into a small light car and still keeping it well balanced is the route to nirvana.
If this wasn't Acurazine, I'd throw in a big plug for the Toyota 2000GT too.