TL vs. TSX
#83
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Originally Posted by Dan
Thanx I needed a laugh!
Steering was tighter on the TSX and had less bodyroll.
Both cars dont have enough power for a AWD vs FWD debate,if thats what you were trying to get at.
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Steering was tighter on the TSX and had less bodyroll.
Both cars dont have enough power for a AWD vs FWD debate,if thats what you were trying to get at.
#85
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Originally Posted by West6MT
Why are CS's comments funny to you?
I have driven both, a TSX for a week while my CL-S was getting a trans replaced and IS250 at (3) different track events. I have also owned a IS300 since 2003. I think both are great cars, but (6) cylinder, RWD, Lexus quality and not having to deal with a Acura dealer push me towards the IS. But you know what they say, opinions are like assholes; everyone has one. Oh, the TSX does not handle better!
#86
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How can you compare a TSX being street driven vs taking a 250 on the track?
I did not push either car to the limts so my OPINION was based on driving around town as what most normal people do. On a track.. i would have no idea which car would do better.
Also keep in mind the car i drove was the heavier AWD version of the IS250.
I did not push either car to the limts so my OPINION was based on driving around town as what most normal people do. On a track.. i would have no idea which car would do better.
Also keep in mind the car i drove was the heavier AWD version of the IS250.
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Originally Posted by Dan
"handled better"
I have driven both, a TSX for a week while my CL-S was getting a trans replaced and IS250 at (3) different track events. I have also owned a IS300 since 2003. I think both are great cars, but (6) cylinder, RWD, Lexus quality and not having to deal with a Acura dealer push me towards the IS. But you know what they say, opinions are like assholes; everyone has one. Oh, the TSX does not handle better!
I have driven both, a TSX for a week while my CL-S was getting a trans replaced and IS250 at (3) different track events. I have also owned a IS300 since 2003. I think both are great cars, but (6) cylinder, RWD, Lexus quality and not having to deal with a Acura dealer push me towards the IS. But you know what they say, opinions are like assholes; everyone has one. Oh, the TSX does not handle better!
Paying $7000 more for a car that wasnt as good didnt justify the Lexus dealership "experience" in my book.
While handling is subjective, it was more fun to drive than the IS. Besides, we do most our driving on straight roads in bumper to bumper traffic unless you live in the sticks.
#88
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Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
How can you compare a TSX being street driven vs taking a 250 on the track?
I did not push either car to the limts so my OPINION was based on driving around town as what most normal people do. On a track.. i would have no idea which car would do better.
Also keep in mind the car i drove was the heavier AWD version of the IS250.
I did not push either car to the limts so my OPINION was based on driving around town as what most normal people do. On a track.. i would have no idea which car would do better.
Also keep in mind the car i drove was the heavier AWD version of the IS250.
In the time I had it the TSX was driven hard on Decker Canyon Road, Mulholland Highway in the Santa Monica mountains and Highway 2, Angeles Crest Highway, in the Angeles National Forest. Again, a very nice car, but it does not handle better than a IS250. If it snows where you live a TSX might make more sense. The summer tires and RWD of my IS300 makes for some interesting moments when going to Yosemite in the winter!
#89
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Originally Posted by Dan
"handled better"
I have driven both, a TSX for a week while my CL-S was getting a trans replaced and IS250 at (3) different track events. I have also owned a IS300 since 2003. I think both are great cars, but (6) cylinder, RWD, Lexus quality and not having to deal with a Acura dealer push me towards the IS. But you know what they say, opinions are like assholes; everyone has one. Oh, the TSX does not handle better!
I have driven both, a TSX for a week while my CL-S was getting a trans replaced and IS250 at (3) different track events. I have also owned a IS300 since 2003. I think both are great cars, but (6) cylinder, RWD, Lexus quality and not having to deal with a Acura dealer push me towards the IS. But you know what they say, opinions are like assholes; everyone has one. Oh, the TSX does not handle better!
#90
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Originally Posted by Dan
No on a AWD IS250, too heavy and the transfer case rubs your right leg.
In the time I had it the TSX was driven hard on Decker Canyon Road, Mulholland Highway in the Santa Monica mountains and Highway 2, Angeles Crest Highway, in the Angeles National Forest. Again, a very nice car, but it does not handle better than a IS250. If it snows where you live a TSX might make more sense. The summer tires and RWD of my IS300 makes for some interesting moments when going to Yosemite in the winter!
In the time I had it the TSX was driven hard on Decker Canyon Road, Mulholland Highway in the Santa Monica mountains and Highway 2, Angeles Crest Highway, in the Angeles National Forest. Again, a very nice car, but it does not handle better than a IS250. If it snows where you live a TSX might make more sense. The summer tires and RWD of my IS300 makes for some interesting moments when going to Yosemite in the winter!
So you comparing a fwd tsx with all seasons vs a rwd IS250 with summer tires?
My comparison was closer since the awd IS250 had allseasons and so did the TSX.
#91
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Originally Posted by dom
Why would I handle such an idiotic comment/opinion well? You clearly have no clue what you are talking about saying the TSX feels like a Civic. I'm confident that 98% of people who have actually driven both would back me up on that.
I have no problem admitting the TL is a superior vehicle but I have a huge problem with stupid opinions/comments, such as yours. And ignorance wasn't really meant as an insult, I truly believe you don't have the knowledge required to back up your Civic claims and are simply talking out of your ass for the sake of it, sorry.
If I did offend you, I apologize, I really didn't intend it.
I have no problem admitting the TL is a superior vehicle but I have a huge problem with stupid opinions/comments, such as yours. And ignorance wasn't really meant as an insult, I truly believe you don't have the knowledge required to back up your Civic claims and are simply talking out of your ass for the sake of it, sorry.
If I did offend you, I apologize, I really didn't intend it.
If you read the write up they seem like a close match to me.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25980
Also I have driven the TSX plenty. Every time I take my car in to the dealer I get a TSX loaner. I have driven the TSX and the new Civic back to back. So I am not talking out my ass.
Last edited by Donte99TL; 08-02-2006 at 04:47 PM.
#92
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
To pull page from the annulls of the TSX bashing, you do realize your TL is just a glorified Accord, right?
#93
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Also I have driven the TSX plenty. Every time I take my car in to the dealer I get a TSX loaner. I have driven the TSX and the new Civic back to back. So I am not talking out my ass.
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Originally Posted by MSZ
You still haven't tell us why TSX is a glorified Civic.
#95
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Well how about this...You show me where I said the TSX is a glorified Civic.
But for a second I thought you were comparing Civic to CSX.
#96
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
That’s funny because when I compare the Civic and TSX you freak out. But in the post below when some one compares the two you say nice write up. Then you go onto say that it might be your next car in post number 10.
If you read the write up they seem like a close match to me.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25980
Also I have driven the TSX plenty. Every time I take my car in to the dealer I get a TSX loaner. I have driven the TSX and the new Civic back to back. So I am not talking out my ass.
If you read the write up they seem like a close match to me.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25980
Also I have driven the TSX plenty. Every time I take my car in to the dealer I get a TSX loaner. I have driven the TSX and the new Civic back to back. So I am not talking out my ass.
Anyway, for the record,........I am in agreement with Dom, the TSX does not feel like a civic.
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Well how about this...You show me where I said the TSX is a glorified Civic.
I take it like this, the TL and US Accord are the North American natives and the TSX is their foreign cousin who has a European accent and is thinner.
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
That’s funny because when I compare the Civic and TSX you freak out. But in the post below when some one compares the two you say nice write up. Then you go onto say that it might be your next car in post number 10.
If you read the write up they seem like a close match to me.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25980
Also I have driven the TSX plenty. Every time I take my car in to the dealer I get a TSX loaner. I have driven the TSX and the new Civic back to back. So I am not talking out my ass.
If you read the write up they seem like a close match to me.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25980
Also I have driven the TSX plenty. Every time I take my car in to the dealer I get a TSX loaner. I have driven the TSX and the new Civic back to back. So I am not talking out my ass.
So because I feel the Civic is a fine automobile and would consider one (based on MPG concerns mostly) this means I think it feels like a TSX? Ummm sure.
Freaking out, only at you comparing it to a Civic which IMO is ridiculous. But lets agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by dom
So because I feel the Civic is a fine automobile and would consider one (based on MPG concerns mostly) this means I think it feels like a TSX? Ummm sure.
Freaking out, only at you comparing it to a Civic which IMO is ridiculous. But lets agree to disagree.
Freaking out, only at you comparing it to a Civic which IMO is ridiculous. But lets agree to disagree.
Also if you look at both the cars I don’t see how you can’t compare the two
Both front wheel drive
Both Four cylinders
0-60 almost the same
Front Head Room, in. Honda 39.4 TSX 37.8
Max. Front Leg Room, in. Honda 42.2 TSX 42.4
Rear Head Room, in. Honda 37.4 TSX 37.3
Max. Rear Leg Room, in. 34.6 TSX 34.2
Give me some points why I shouldn’t compare the two. Maybe that will help me understand better.
#102
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Go with the TL. The ride in the TSX isn't as nice and feels like a civic.
Your first post in this thread. No where did you attempt to compare the cars as you just did in your last post. You simply claimed the TSX feels like a Civic. Thats the ONLY problem I have with this comparison.
Having said that, just because the Civic can be compared doesn't put it in the same class as the TSX nor IMO does the TSX "feel" like a Civic.
I can sit here all day and compare TSX specs to a number of cars out there. Doesn't make the TSX their equal.
So if you would had compared the two from the beggining, much like that guy in the TSX section did. I wouldn't have had a problem.
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Well the point I was trying to make was that he compared the two and you said nice write up. I compared the two and you freaked out on me.
Also if you look at both the cars I don’t see how you can’t compare the two
Both front wheel drive
Both Four cylinders
0-60 almost the same
Front Head Room, in. Honda 39.4 TSX 37.8
Max. Front Leg Room, in. Honda 42.2 TSX 42.4
Rear Head Room, in. Honda 37.4 TSX 37.3
Max. Rear Leg Room, in. 34.6 TSX 34.2
Give me some points why I shouldn’t compare the two. Maybe that will help me understand better.
Also if you look at both the cars I don’t see how you can’t compare the two
Both front wheel drive
Both Four cylinders
0-60 almost the same
Front Head Room, in. Honda 39.4 TSX 37.8
Max. Front Leg Room, in. Honda 42.2 TSX 42.4
Rear Head Room, in. Honda 37.4 TSX 37.3
Max. Rear Leg Room, in. 34.6 TSX 34.2
Give me some points why I shouldn’t compare the two. Maybe that will help me understand better.
#104
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
So based on this criteria that you have, the Civic should be comparable to the BMW 3-series, the MB C-class, and the Lexus IS250 as well, wouldn't you agree?
Why do you guys find it so hard to compare the two. You make it sound like the TSX is 10 times betetr than the civic.
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
No those are rear wheel drive cars for one Plus the price is much higher. The civic and TSX are much closer in price when optioned out. How did you not see that.
Why do you guys find it so hard to compare the two. You make it sound like the TSX is 10 times betetr than the civic.
Why do you guys find it so hard to compare the two. You make it sound like the TSX is 10 times betetr than the civic.
Your initial statement in this thread would be the equivalent of me saying, "skip the TL and get the Accord instead because they are essentially the same car to me," which I'm sure you would have taken offense to because I gave nothing to back up that statement.
It's not just about the words you post, it's your attitude that because you drive the TL, you're somehow immune to comparisons with other Honda products. You seem to fail to realize that your posts are coming across sounding arrogant as hell. Draw whatever comparisons you want, but don't do it with this false air of arrogance that makes you sound like a complete asshat.
And seriously, if you bothered to look at the equipment list for the TSX and compared it to the Civic, that alone should make it clear why the TSX is in a different class altogether from the Civic. There are so many things on the TSX that cannot be found on the Civic.
#106
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
No those are rear wheel drive cars for one Plus the price is much higher. The civic and TSX are much closer in price when optioned out. How did you not see that.
Why do you guys find it so hard to compare the two. You make it sound like the TSX is 10 times betetr than the civic.
Why do you guys find it so hard to compare the two. You make it sound like the TSX is 10 times betetr than the civic.
#107
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Why do you guys find it so hard to compare the two. You make it sound like the TSX is 10 times betetr than the civic.
Seriously, the civic and TSX are in completely different classes of cars, there is no comparison. Different chassis, different engines, different driving dynamics, etc, etc, etc. If you drive both and say the "feel" the same, thats cool. But 99/100 people would disagree with that.
#108
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
No one here denies that they can be compared, but your criteria for comparison seems to have little basis in fact. It seems to be some sort of arbitrary point you threw out to get a rise.
Little basis in fact? I was the only one to post stats, all your replies where just opinions.
Your initial statement in this thread would be the equivalent of me saying, "skip the TL and get the Accord instead because they are essentially the same car to me," which I'm sure you would have taken offense to because I gave nothing to back up that statement.
As far as the TL VS accord, I wouldn’t have taken offense to that. Why would I? A lot of people cross shop both cars. I can see the similarities in them and see why you would compare the two.
It's not just about the words you post, it's your attitude that because you drive the TL, you're somehow immune to comparisons with other Honda products. You seem to fail to realize that your posts are coming across sounding arrogant as hell. Draw whatever comparisons you want, but don't do it with this false air of arrogance that makes you sound like a complete asshat.
I hear what you are saying. But I didn't have any type of attitude till dom jump all over me. Regardless you guys keep jumping all over me but never brought up any stats or facts to back your opinion. Once I posted stats you came back with a post about BMW Lexus etc etc trying a make point that just backfired on you.
And seriously, if you bothered to look at the equipment list for the TSX and compared it to the Civic, that alone should make it clear why the TSX is in a different class altogether from the Civic. There are so many things on the TSX that cannot be found on the Civic.
Little basis in fact? I was the only one to post stats, all your replies where just opinions.
Your initial statement in this thread would be the equivalent of me saying, "skip the TL and get the Accord instead because they are essentially the same car to me," which I'm sure you would have taken offense to because I gave nothing to back up that statement.
As far as the TL VS accord, I wouldn’t have taken offense to that. Why would I? A lot of people cross shop both cars. I can see the similarities in them and see why you would compare the two.
It's not just about the words you post, it's your attitude that because you drive the TL, you're somehow immune to comparisons with other Honda products. You seem to fail to realize that your posts are coming across sounding arrogant as hell. Draw whatever comparisons you want, but don't do it with this false air of arrogance that makes you sound like a complete asshat.
I hear what you are saying. But I didn't have any type of attitude till dom jump all over me. Regardless you guys keep jumping all over me but never brought up any stats or facts to back your opinion. Once I posted stats you came back with a post about BMW Lexus etc etc trying a make point that just backfired on you.
And seriously, if you bothered to look at the equipment list for the TSX and compared it to the Civic, that alone should make it clear why the TSX is in a different class altogether from the Civic. There are so many things on the TSX that cannot be found on the Civic.
#109
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Originally Posted by dom
I'll certainly agree that the TSX isn't 10x better. More like 4 or 5 . I respect your opinion but don't agree with it. IMO the TSX-TL comparison is a better one.
#110
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
So what are the "so many things on the TSX that cannot be found on the Civic"
-VSA
-leather interior
-17" rims
-quieter ride
-better handling
-8 airbags
-much better stock audio
-navi
-much better dealership service
There you go, TSX is indeed 10 times better than the Civic.
#111
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Originally Posted by fdl
If you can compare a TSX to a civic, and people often compare a TSX to a TL, i guess then the the civic and TL can be compared?
Well for one the price isn't even close and two one is a V6 and the other is inline four. But hey if you want to compare them go right ahead.
Seriously, the civic and TSX are in completely different classes of cars, there is no comparison. Different chassis, different engines, different driving dynamics, etc, etc, etc. If you drive both and say the "feel" the same, thats cool. But 99/100 people would disagree with that.
Well for one the price isn't even close and two one is a V6 and the other is inline four. But hey if you want to compare them go right ahead.
Seriously, the civic and TSX are in completely different classes of cars, there is no comparison. Different chassis, different engines, different driving dynamics, etc, etc, etc. If you drive both and say the "feel" the same, thats cool. But 99/100 people would disagree with that.
#112
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
Different engines, don’t they both have four cylinder engines in them.
Last edited by alex2364; 08-03-2006 at 04:24 PM.
#113
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Originally Posted by alex2364
So with your logic all 4 cylinder engines are the same. So you're saying the S2000 has the same engine as a Civic. And with the same logic the EVO has the same engine as the Civic.
#114
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Originally Posted by MSZ
-205hp K24A
-VSA
-leather interior
-17" rims
-quieter ride
-better handling
-8 airbags
-much better stock audio
-navi
-much better dealership service
There you go, TSX is indeed 10 times better than the Civic.
-VSA
-leather interior
-17" rims
-quieter ride
-better handling
-8 airbags
-much better stock audio
-navi
-much better dealership service
There you go, TSX is indeed 10 times better than the Civic.
acutally....
#115
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Originally Posted by MSZ
-205hp K24A
-VSA
-leather interior
-17" rims
-quieter ride
-better handling
-8 airbags
-much better stock audio
-navi
-much better dealership service
There you go, TSX is indeed 10 times better than the Civic.
-VSA
-leather interior
-17" rims
-quieter ride
-better handling
-8 airbags
-much better stock audio
-navi
-much better dealership service
There you go, TSX is indeed 10 times better than the Civic.
#118
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Originally Posted by Donte99TL
This is a joke right?
Only if your posts were a joke. Your trying to say the TSX feels like a civic simply because they both have 4 cyl engines.
Seriously though, I dont know who would cross shop a TSX and a civic. But there are serveral examples of people on here who cross shop the TSX & TL.
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Originally Posted by mrshowbiz122
TL no doubt about it. Get TL and buy Comptech RSB( $110) and ASPEC suspension kit ($750). THink rides great. TSX is real slow and to small.
Thanks again to all who answered!