Dead even to 70 --

This guy had a light blue-metallic-ish new model Max SE, and he had a manual tranny, he dropped high at launch and chirped as he powershifted into 2nd. Dead even -- I had one passenger and just used D5 (i feel there is NO difference b/w this and SS since it auto shifts for you, 'specially after my C36 run the other night). He actually had the slightest edge on me b/c he had a better rxn time than I did, plus he didn't peel out as much as I did. Max's are quick cars! But I have to admit, having extra baggage in the Type S definitely weakens that engine unlike other high hp autos I've ridden in.



------------------
2002 Acura TL-S
White Diamond Pearl/Parchment
Bone Stock
<A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1629963&a=12459969&f=0
" TARGET=_blank>Click Here for Pics!
</A>

 

Where do you race these guys...? I havent found anyone who wanted to race me around here. By the way where do you live..? I never see any TL-S around by me...

------------------
2002 TL Type-S
Blk/Ebony
Comptech Springs
V1 hard-wired
More to come....

 

I think the new maximas are 222 horseys stock. I bet if he had two people in his car you would have murdered him. My question is, why the hell is the maxima 222 horseys and the new pathfinder is 240hp. WTF???

------------------
"Say hello to my little Friend"

 

well the new maximas that are coming out are going to have 260hp but the car will be bigger..the new altima has the 240hp engine in them and it will be a little smaller than the current maxima.

------------------
2002 TL Type-S
Blk/Ebony
Comptech Springs
V1 hard-wired
More to come....

 

I have seen stock 2000+ manual maxima SE pulled 14.8 at the local track. With few mods, and it's a low 14s car.

------------------
1999 Nissan Maxima with bolt ons.

 

Watching the advertisement for the maximas, the commercial says that it has one of the best v-6 engines around. I beg to differ. I think the cls v6-vtec will hammer a nissan 6 anyday.

------------------
"Say hello to my little Friend"

 

Crazy--

I'm out by you 2 or 3 times a week visiting one of my buddies who works at Firestone on Roselle and Lies. I'll race ya if you can't find anyone I live in Naperville, and it's the strangest thing.. until after 10:30 pm... NO one will race you at a light .. something happens to the drinking water after this time, cuz then everyone in their quick cars wants to race at a stoplight.

Murder him w/o my passenger? If murder means 1/2 a car length to 1/4-mile .. maybe, but honestly, I don't think so. If the Max is driven right (manual) it'll be even w/ the TL-S. It's when I have a 3rd person in the TL-S that even ES300's will edge me out!!

------------------
2002 Acura TL-S
White Diamond Pearl/Parchment
Bone Stock
<A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1629963&a=12459969&f=0
" TARGET=_blank>Click Here for Pics!
</A>

 

WEll u have the same engine my cl-s has and i was smashin maxima SEs all nite on wed nite. i was trewatin them just like another civic or IS300 ive treashed int eh past, but they wouldnt give up while they were racin me. i actually decided at the end of the nite to let one go ahead, and its a good thing, becasue he got pulled over doin like 110. and i got away scott free. hahahaha damm maximas, and too think, i actually could have gotten one of them a year ago, too bad for them, i have already had 2, no more tiill the 270hp maxima blows my fancy.
wg

------------------
The SILVER STREAKER CL-S no navi, spoiler, tint all around, moonroof visor,
indaglo emblom, ACURA.CL.com stickers, eurolights fog lights, bel 950 radar detector, and 2 chamber flowmaster exaust
hyperwhie highbeams and corner lights, and eyeball fogs. 620+ posts makes me still a freak on the old Cl page.
my cl-s http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...725&a=11443786

 

Hmm...you can beg to differ all you want. I guess you have to justify your reasons to the experts. Check the link below. I don't think you guys have the best engine in the Honda family.

http://www.wardsauto.com/default.asp?action=be


------------------
1999 Nissan Maxima with bolt ons.

[This message has been edited by 1max2nv (edited 05-17-2001).]

 

Good point! But a stock cl is 225 horseys, thats 3 more horseys then the maxima, and with a lower drag coefficent than the maxi. would you consider the tl more competition than the cl. this is all stock talk. anything with mods, thats a different story.

------------------
"Say hello to my little Friend"

 

Who is Ward's Auto anyways?? They're the only one that thinks the Max has on of the best engines of all time --> didn't they use the cheesy saying .. that it revs like a Ferrari!??

The Max engine isn't smooth, or quiet and refined like the Acura, My girlfriend has a '97 Auto Max that I drive all the time. I do think at this point the Honda 3.2 Type S engine is superior to the Max 3.0 ..

------------------
2002 Acura TL-S
White Diamond Pearl/Parchment
Bone Stock
<A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1629963&a=12459969&f=0
" TARGET=_blank>Click Here for Pics!
</A>

 

I will have to agree with this statement. I think it's a torque issue. Powerful cars/trucks with V8's don't usually have this problem, because those engines will produce more torque (even with only 260 hp). The added torque will allow for the extra weight. Another factor would be the overall weight of the car. I believe the Maximas are lighter to begin with.

My '89 Camaro RS had a 5.0L with only 170 hp, but it had a lot of torque and I could hardly feel any difference in power when carrying a passenger.



------------------
2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi/No Spoiler
Competch springs
35% tint
PIAA 19169 bulbs
K&N 33-2178 air filter

The Aviation Zone

 

Guys, this maxima guy is cool don't get in his grill too much. He is the ONLY cool guy I know that drives a maxima.

------------------
01' Acura CL Type-S
Piaa 19169 Bulbs
Valentine1 Pig Detector
CompTech Exhaust
Xephyr Cold Air Intake
Really Cool Mesh Grill
Founding Member of the NO SCRATCHED RIMS CLUB

01'Acura Integra GSR

 

Actually there is a differance between ss and d5. if you read the article i think 4 or 5 days ago about our sequential sport shift it states that SS shifts faster. .9 or something like that. and when your racing use 1st->2nd-d3.

------------------
CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter.Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers,Springs,Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.Polarg m6


gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

 

My guess is, they never tested a CL-S motor. If the had, I'm sure it would have made the list. Maybe not in the #1 spot, but it WOULD HAVE made the list.



------------------
2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi/No Spoiler
Competch springs
35% tint
PIAA 19169 bulbs
K&N 33-2178 air filter

The Aviation Zone

 

Should not this be in "racing stories"?

------------------
01 CL-S San Marino Red/Black, K&N drop in, no nav, rear wing, otherwise stock thus far, has an appetite for Bavarian cars.

 

You have to keep in mind the VQ30DE has been around since 1995. It was making 190hp in 1995 and the car was Motor Trend car of the year.


------------------
1999 Nissan Maxima with bolt ons.

 

Okay..... and your point is?




------------------
2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi/No Spoiler
Competch springs
35% tint
PIAA 19169 bulbs
K&N 33-2178 air filter

The Aviation Zone

 

You'd be very surprised how much just one passenger hurts you! When I raced Type S Smokes ALL, he had headers/intake and I only had headers. When his friend was with him, I was just barely pulling on him. We we raced alone, he took me by 1-2 cars. I bet you would have won by 2-3 cars without that passenger.

 

if u look at my sig, you can see that i have a little experience with nissan's 190 hp sweet motor. they do not come close to the cl-s in smoothness, torque or sound, let alone acceleration.
not even close

------------------
01 BLK/BLK CL-S, FACTORY SPOILER, K/N DROP IN
98 INFINITI I30T
99 MAXIMA SE

 

The 2000-01 Maximas still have the 3.0L (VQ30DE?) engine. The 01 Pathfinder has the 3.5L (VQ35DE?) engine. The 02 Maximas and I35s will be using the 3.5L engine with 260HP. I am pretty sure stock to stock, a 02 Maxima with manual transmission will beat a CL-S / TL-S.

------------------
01' CL-S, Silver/Ebony

 

With all the right elements, (5-sp, and good driver) those maximas will give us a run for the money. But if you are talking slushbox, I really don't think they can compete. There is a tremendous difference between that 5-sp maxima and th auto maxima. The fastest NA ( non supercharged/turbocharged) auto maxima that I ever remember was a 1996 and it did a 14.7 on the 1/4 mile and is was pretty heavily modified. I like maximas, and I think that engine is pretty smooth. I agree that it is one of the best V6's in the world, but I think Acura deserves credit for their 3.2 260HP. You've got to remember that back in 95 when the maxima came out, it was better then Any other V6 in it's class ( let's not mention how piss poor the Accord V6 was back then) They were ahead of the times back then, but I think Acura has caught up with the Type-S engine. However it looks like Nissan will be one step ahead once again whtn the 3.5 liter V6 comes out this fall.

------------------
2001 CL Type S
San Marino Red/Parchment
Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet

[This message has been edited by Kevin (edited 05-17-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Kevin (edited 05-17-2001).]

 

My point is a 6 years old design VQ30DE engine is still ranked better than the Honda 3.2L.



------------------
1999 Nissan Maxima with bolt ons.

 

And, like I said, they probably didn't even test the new 260 hp 3.2L in the CL-S. If that's true, this ranking system is outdated.



------------------
2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi/No Spoiler
Competch springs
35% tint
PIAA 19169 bulbs
K&N 33-2178 air filter

The Aviation Zone

 

I'll have to agree that the Maxima SE is a great car... rear end looks smushed, but still a good car. Reliable, strong engine but not as refined as the CL-S. Not as quiet and the interior doesn't look anywhere near as classy. As for performance... close. It is much easier to drive the CL-S to its true performance level being auto or SS but it takes a much more skilled driver to drive the Max. to its true performance level being standard, the auto is weak!

------------------
The future is uncertain and the end is always near
Nighthawk Black CL-S stock

 

MikeN,
Read the bottom of the article.

http://www.wardsauto.com/default.asp?action=en

It stated all the engines that were tested. And Yes, the "Honda/Acura 3.2L VTEC DOHC V-6 260 hp, 232 lb.-ft. (CL Type S)" was tested.

------------------
1999 Nissan Maxima with bolt ons.

[This message has been edited by 1max2nv (edited 05-17-2001).]

 

First, the CL-S motor has a SOHC.

Secondly, WTF do these statements mean?

1.) "Numbers" don’t jibe with the "feel."

2.) Stretching to be some- thing it isn’t.

I don't think they tested the right engine.

------------------
2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi/No Spoiler
Competch springs
35% tint
PIAA 19169 bulbs
K&N 33-2178 air filter

The Aviation Zone

[This message has been edited by MikeN (edited 05-17-2001).]

 

this is what i find funny:
manual 2000 maxima vs. tl-s was pretty much very close...

not wanting to bring up the topic again, but i remember seeing a topic that said a stock 2000 AUTO maxima beat a cl-s.

if that's true, then an AUTO maxima would beat that manual maxima?

and if that's true (and i really doubt it), then yeah, great engine, but nissan really f*cked up on the manual tranny!

 

It was on a very humid, 80 degree night too. My tires are Michelins, don't know what they put on the Max -- I've seen Toyo's stock (GF's Max) and MXV4's. All three, suck, to say the least.

Street racing -- ya ya .. tons of variables.. weather, launch technique, Manual vs. Auto .. extra passengers.. It's very possible for the TL-S to run really fast one day and sluggish another -- I've driven it in 20 degree weather and 95 degree weather since I've purchased it in Mid-March. Such is the climate in the MidWest .. 'specially Chicagoland. I've experienced super-long "peel-outs" and quick launches w/ minimal wheel-hop.

As far as Maxima owners relying on Ward's Auto for their claim to fame --> ok, someone mentioned that the owner of that Ward's post is a cool Max owner -- I'll respect that -- but seriously buddy, let's come to our own, objective conclusions based on our own, personal experiences. Experts in the automags and auto-industry that are responsible for reviewing and rating the cars they drive are human beings, they are subject to subjectivity. It's one thing to mention the Ward's auto thing once, but then to do it again, and again, and then post a URL .. yeesh.

------------------
2002 Acura TL-S
White Diamond Pearl/Parchment
Bone Stock
<A HREF="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1629963&a=12459969&f=0
" TARGET=_blank>Click Here for Pics!
</A>

 

hey, isn't wards auto like sears auto...except it's located by wards department stores instead?

they went out of business though.

 

I guess there's no debating with you guys huh?

------------------
2001 CL Type S
San Marino Red/Parchment
Spoiler, wind deflector,Wheel locks, Non Nav
No mods yet