my insurance agent quoted me lower rates for my TL vs an accord
but i got a 99 TL and compared it to a 99 accord, so perhaps the comparison has shifted since then

is my car, fundamentally, very similar to a v6 accord? of course it is.

some money goes for gadgets, some goes for quieting the cabin (my TL is waay smoother than any accord of the same gen i've been in), and some must go for snob appeal

 

HIDs? ELS Surround sound? SH-AWD option? What about the optional blue accent lighting standard on the TL? Leather? Dual Climate Control? Acura Link? 4yr 48K warranty? Loaners? Driving Dynamics?

All of these equate far more than the 8,540 that you quoted, however will some people need it, not really. People who like to have a car with HID's, something quieter and more comfy, and as well something a bit more upscale. If you don't want it, get an honda.

Also to extended and extrapolate the comment that an acura is an overpriced honda, then a Rolls Royce is glorified BMW 7 series. Would any bloke on the street believe that, hell no! Honda has it's place where it is and Acura has it's place where it is. Are they similar, yes, is it the same, no.

If your coworker starts making fun of you again, just tell him not to ask you for a ride home when his Government Motors car decides to fall into pieces in the parking lot.

 

I've already gone through the motions of getting an 07 AV6 EX-L w/Navi over the base 07 TL w/Navi. Quite simply (and inclusive of discounts), I couldn't justify the addition $7,000 cost of the TL because quite honestly I didnt (and still wouldnt) find the latter to be $7,000 better than the former. (If they were within $3-4k of each other, then I would opt for the TL.)

Looking back after having trade said Accord for my 09 MDX, I still dont regret opting for it over the TL.

That said, the person being mentioned by the original poster is simply a moron....particularly when GM has been at this game decades before Acura and Lexus hit the scene.

 

My mom drove 05 Accord Coupe V6 when I bought my 05 TL.

You can obviously tell that my car was much more luxurious, and I don't know why but the driving feel of my TL was more stable. (maybe larger tires on the 3G TL..)

Everyone in my family thought TL>>>>Accord every aspect of car.

It's not overpriced when one of two is better than the other.

 

I mean really, people have been saying the same thing for years.

Question is... why do people worry so much what other people think?

 

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^^ At least the TL morons only end up in here on occasion.....annoying as they are....if they were thrown into ramblings they would be eaten alive!!!!

 

Who cares what the coworker thinks...? If you love your car, you love your car.

An interesting person I have the joy of working with commented that he thought my car's color was mundane. And that Infiniti makes boring cars.

 

^ infiniti is boring? take your coworker on the freeway and let him feel the acceleration of FX50S.

and infiniti has 4 cameras around! :hush:

 

Acura = Overpriced Honda.

 

Only reason why you'd be bothered by such a thing is if you see some validity in it. As for me.... I don't give a shit what someone else says, especially if he's an idiot. You're the one enjoying the new car.

 

I remember somebody telling me that the Lexus LS400 was a Camry with a different front end and a doubled price tag.

People are idiots. Identify them, ignore them and move on. If you love your car, that's all that matters.

 

^ so true. it's like the die hard Jeep fans who laugh off a Toyota Land Cruiser. Or the Land Rover snobs who look at a LC as nothing more than a real live Tonka truck. you can't argue with people who don't want to see it any other way.

 

a classic!

 

Technically, you're driving a near-luxury car.

Acuras are not overpriced Hondas, however.

 

I think I'd rather drink Drano than give that guy a ride in the FX.


As an FYI, he drives an old Protege. It's yellow...I guess yellow is less "mundane" than white.

 

i personally dislike acura so.... eh.... whatever...

 

I'm not sure why you'd have to defend your car purchase to anyone but yourself. He has an opinion -- you have an opinion. Talk is cheap.

This being an Acura enthusiast forum, I'm not surprised to see the pro-Acura slant. But in all honesty -- GM has started to turn things around and starting to build cars that can compete on a world scale. Sure -- the residual on any GM product is worse on average than an Acura ... but 'quality' ? Gap is not as great as we once believed.

And design? I'm starting to freak out that some of the designs by Buick look a lot more appealing than Acura. Have some of you looked at the front grill of the current gen models? I will say -- the Honda/Acura interior is very nice ... they just have to cut down on the number of buttons ... even a techno-phile like myself can't really understand why they couldn't simplify the dash (ie 2nd gen TL and 1st gen TSX have such a great layout, IMHO).

Anyway ... Acura being an 'overpriced' Honda ... that may be true to some extent. Just as others have said ... Buicks are overpriced Chevys. Both are equally true statements. Of course, the Buick will have more luxury features than the Chevy ... same goes with Acura and Honda.

I would say we agree to disagree.

 

your coworker is correct. own up to it

 

Well it kinda is. Look honda IS acura not not different companys that are owned by the same person they are the SAME company. A lot of acuras are hondas with a different badge, i lived in japan for three years i have seen lots of japan imports look at how it works


acura tsx = honda accord all over the world expect the usa same lux items like navi etc.

Acura RL = honda legend same exact car with a different emblem in the front

Acura rsx = same exact car with different emblem

honda accord usa = honda inspire

old gen acura TL = honda insipire too

you see they are just hondas with a different badge in the front. There is no difference at ALL between those cars i listed all the same options on both. What sets them apart is the front badge. So every time you by an acura just remember that it is sold as a honda every where else in the world...

 

Each of your references reflect two different markets, where the former is/was available stateside with the latter having NEVER been available for sale stateside.

However (and though I may have picked an 07 AV6 over it's TL counterpart), the TL is NOT identical to Accord AND there are MARKED differences between both that DO clearly make the TL a more substantial car. Same deal when it comes to comparing the Pilot with the MDX.

 

Coming from someone who was about to buy an 04 TL back in 2004, I looked at the various features of the TL and the V6 Accord.

Differences where (either pro for the Accord or pro for the TL):

Bigger standard wheels
Larger brakes
18more HP (based on new SAE ratings)
Better stock sound system
Folding rear seats (for Accord)
Memory seats
Better leather
Xenon headlights
"Better" design

Was all that worth an estimated $8,600 at the time? Nope. All the items in bold I changed on my car.

 

 

im not saying the TL is the same as the accord its NOT at all. the accord is the same as the tsx exact same car with a different emblem...what im saying is that the acura rl didnt replace the acura legend, im saying in japan the acura rl is still the honda legend the same exact car for 2010 with a honda embelm. So its like honda make all these cars and there all hondas and then they take the more lux hondas send them to the states put a different emblem on the front and send it to acura insted of the honda...like i listed above all those cars are still sold as hondas all over the world but olny here in the US we see them as acuras

 

The gist of this thread is a reference to the OP's coworker insinuating Acuras are just glorified Hondas; pressumably (and as is the case in most instances), he's likely not even privy to Honda's offerings in other markets where said models have made their way to the states as Acuras. Rather, he likely just knows from heresay that Acura is the luxury lineup of Honda...and failing to realize the same for say Ford/Lincoln.

As this moment, the only two Acuras are straight rebadges of Hondas is the RL and TSX...with NONE being rebadges of Hondas sold stateside though a few have a chassis derived from various Honda models (which is the norm in the industry). But this is not unlike Infiniti's importation of the JDM Nissan Skyline and Fuga, being sold stateside as the Infiniti G and M.

 

If it's worth anything I'd take my 2003 Accord over anything in Buick's lineup any day so even if he is right, which he isn't, it's still a compliment. I wouldn't give much value to comments made by a person driving a Buick, however.

 

Funny, because right now I would take a Enclave, LaCrosse or the upcoming Regal over anything in Acuras line up right now.

 

I didn't even think of the Enclave, I do like that car a lot. I'm not a huge fan of the LaCrosse or Lucerne at all, though. And the Regal isn't out yet so that's a moot point. To each his own, I guess.

 

We cross shopped the Enclave (as well the GMC Acadia) prior to getting out 09 MDX....nice Buick but, we have no regrets re: our purchase.

 

Arent all Acuras made on the Accord platform? Maybe thats why ppl consider them rebadged Hondas.

I cant blame the general public for thinking like that, after all even Infiniti started making thier cars on a completely seperate platform from Nissan (except the Z) after 03. (For NA)

 

I'm pretty sure I read that before too, pretty much every Acura is based off of the Accord platform, modified or otherwise. The justification there is that Honda is a smaller company than Nissan/Infiniti and does not have financial backing from a larger company (Renault) for example, and thus does not have the luxury of utilizing multiple platforms for their lineup.

 

Didnt knock Acura either

And honestly as far as SUV goes, I'd take the new SRX over them all

 

Yea but most people dont know or dont care that its a smaller company. They are just cross shopping Acura against other Luxury brands (Lexus and Infiniti most of the time). And honestly Acura doesnt have a single vehicle in their line-up that wins head to head againt a competing Lexus or Infiniti. (MDX>RX is the only exception IMO)

This is all coming from someone who recently bought a brand new TSX

 

"Hey, didn't your Buick come with a free AARP membership, a walker or a year's supply of Depends? Which one did you pick?"

I am in the Cleveland area too - my colleagues always thought that my black on black 04 TSX looked HOT! :-)

 

That would have been a nice comeback.

 

Mind as well argue about who's dad would win in a fight. Drive the car that YOU want to, hopefully you arrived at this decision because it brings you happiness.

I can see how someone would arrive at the conclusion that a TL is an over priced Honda. But making fun of his car? Come on, everyone is allowed to have an opinion and you just stooped to his level. Let's see what a TL has that an Accord doesn't.

• More Power
• HID's
• Better Warranty
• Higher Quality Interior
• Arguably better styling(?)
• Better sound system and navigation
• Dealership experience
• Resale value

That's how I would reply if questioned about the vehicle I purchased, with facts. Last time I checked insulting someone on the same sad level they insulted you makes you no better, and in many cases even lower then them. Argue, but do so with intelligence and with a backbone. It seems obvious this guy was just trying to get a rise out of you, score one for him - the best way to deal with ass-clowns like this is to just not even engage in conversations like this.

 

 

I agree, however it would be a more intelligent argument then saying "your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries."

 

And there was much rejoice.

 

the prices have gone up but they are worth every penny