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Originally posted by dfv3.2CL-S
Well, Iam not the young idiotic adult and yuppie college student that you are. Secondly, I dont have to fucking shut up just because I dont know you, just how you communicate says alot about you. Third, it is just rediculous and tiring to hear people that voluntary buy the car, bitch about it and lament over their choice, you should have just researched a little bit more and decided at the beginning that the car was a piece of shit and not after you plup down the 30K. Specially, if you live in Alaska
Well, Iam not the young idiotic adult and yuppie college student that you are. Secondly, I dont have to fucking shut up just because I dont know you, just how you communicate says alot about you. Third, it is just rediculous and tiring to hear people that voluntary buy the car, bitch about it and lament over their choice, you should have just researched a little bit more and decided at the beginning that the car was a piece of shit and not after you plup down the 30K. Specially, if you live in Alaska
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Also, I haven't bitched about my A4 at all. Yes it is underpowered, but on the highway, it does just fine. I can cruise at 80 and the engine doesn't strain at all. Yes, I do miss the CL-S and it took a bit to get adjusted to the hp difference, but the A4 is all class.
If I wanted a car that could smoke the CL, I would have gotten the 350Z that I had on order.
0-60 times aren't the only thing that is important to all of us.
And to respond to people who buy a 30K car and then bitch about it....how many peeps here had transmission problems???
Now grow the f up:P
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Originally posted by dfv3.2CL-S
You must be fucking teenager spoil bratt that mom or daddy paid for your fricking car. At your age I was just thankful to have a car that will carry me from point A to B. May be when you pay for first car or second or third then you may appreciate what you pick. If the car sucks donkey ball in the snow, why would you buy a car in the first place and secondly that would not meet your expectations in the region of the US that you live in. Oh! btw that A4 convertible must be fast and handel well in the twisties. Its another under power VW Passat.
You must be fucking teenager spoil bratt that mom or daddy paid for your fricking car. At your age I was just thankful to have a car that will carry me from point A to B. May be when you pay for first car or second or third then you may appreciate what you pick. If the car sucks donkey ball in the snow, why would you buy a car in the first place and secondly that would not meet your expectations in the region of the US that you live in. Oh! btw that A4 convertible must be fast and handel well in the twisties. Its another under power VW Passat.
i paid for my own CL at 18. mommy and daddy dont pay for dick. sorry to burst your bubble. personally, i dont care what u did at my age. i already appreciate my car since i made the sole decision to buy it in the first place. yes my car does suck donkey balls in the snow, but thats still not enough reason for me to not buy a car. what am i NOT gonna buy an M3 cuz i live in a region where it snows?
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Originally posted by YuppieCL
anyway, if i wanted to go fast and get down on twisties, i'd just take my bike out for a spin and whoop on ANYTHING.
anyway, if i wanted to go fast and get down on twisties, i'd just take my bike out for a spin and whoop on ANYTHING.
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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I just want to be the voice of reason for those of you who keep insisting that if I just want extra power with my 1.8T, I'll just chip it.
Just to let you know that from experience, having a chipped 1.8T even in stage 1 form can do damage to the engine and turbo. And my good friend to foot the bill as it voided the warranty. It's not exactly free HP as some of you make it out to seem. It was designed to run at 170-180 for a reason
Just to let you know that from experience, having a chipped 1.8T even in stage 1 form can do damage to the engine and turbo. And my good friend to foot the bill as it voided the warranty. It's not exactly free HP as some of you make it out to seem. It was designed to run at 170-180 for a reason
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
I just want to be the voice of reason for those of you who keep insisting that if I just want extra power with my 1.8T, I'll just chip it.
Just to let you know that from experience, having a chipped 1.8T even in stage 1 form can do damage to the engine and turbo. And my good friend to foot the bill as it voided the warranty. It's not exactly free HP as some of you make it out to seem. It was designed to run at 170-180 for a reason
I just want to be the voice of reason for those of you who keep insisting that if I just want extra power with my 1.8T, I'll just chip it.
Just to let you know that from experience, having a chipped 1.8T even in stage 1 form can do damage to the engine and turbo. And my good friend to foot the bill as it voided the warranty. It's not exactly free HP as some of you make it out to seem. It was designed to run at 170-180 for a reason
Sorry but your friend may have just gotten a weak drivetrain.
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Sorry but your friend may have just gotten a weak drivetrain.
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Originally posted by SilverCL225hp
I always found A4 1.8T stupid, there is no way I would choose it over Accord EX V6 sedan or TSX.
I always found A4 1.8T stupid, there is no way I would choose it over Accord EX V6 sedan or TSX.
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Originally posted by dfv3.2CL-S
Well, Iam not the young idiotic adult and yuppie college student that you are.
I know yuppie very well and he's my boy. I've seen his ass, yes, his hairless little spic ass as he saluted some 17 year old girls in a mustang.![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Secondly, I dont have to fucking shut up just because I dont know you, just how you communicate says alot about you.
Welcome to the forums. We give opinions here, last time i checked this was not dfv3.2CL-S.com where your opinion rules. Do me a favor though, create that website and go there, then shoot yourself.
Third, it is just rediculous and tiring to hear people that voluntary buy the car, bitch about it and lament over their choice, you should have just researched a little bit more and decided at the beginning that the car was a piece of shit and not after you plup down the 30K.
Yeah, there was a TON of research on the CLS when we bought ours, TONS. It was out for like 3 weeks when I rolled mine off the lot. I assumed Acura had a solid product off the line WRONG! That's ok though my fault for buying BRAND NEW. Keep masturbating and defending your purchase like your pride is on the line, it's funny to watch. You could always just SHUT THE FUCK UP too and make the rest of us happy. I'll leave that last decision up to you.
Well, Iam not the young idiotic adult and yuppie college student that you are.
I know yuppie very well and he's my boy. I've seen his ass, yes, his hairless little spic ass as he saluted some 17 year old girls in a mustang.
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Secondly, I dont have to fucking shut up just because I dont know you, just how you communicate says alot about you.
Welcome to the forums. We give opinions here, last time i checked this was not dfv3.2CL-S.com where your opinion rules. Do me a favor though, create that website and go there, then shoot yourself.
Third, it is just rediculous and tiring to hear people that voluntary buy the car, bitch about it and lament over their choice, you should have just researched a little bit more and decided at the beginning that the car was a piece of shit and not after you plup down the 30K.
Yeah, there was a TON of research on the CLS when we bought ours, TONS. It was out for like 3 weeks when I rolled mine off the lot. I assumed Acura had a solid product off the line WRONG! That's ok though my fault for buying BRAND NEW. Keep masturbating and defending your purchase like your pride is on the line, it's funny to watch. You could always just SHUT THE FUCK UP too and make the rest of us happy. I'll leave that last decision up to you.
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Originally posted by SilverCL225hp
I always found A4 1.8T stupid, there is no way I would choose it over Accord EX V6 sedan or TSX.
I always found A4 1.8T stupid, there is no way I would choose it over Accord EX V6 sedan or TSX.
My car is WAY smarter than yours...
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I own both the A4 and the TLS.
Stock for stock they are very different cars; neither is perfect. The A4 has amazing handling that makes the Acura seem like a Camry in comparison. The TLS has amazing power that makes the A4 seem like a chevette.
As long as both were stock, I drove each 50/50 but slightly preferred the A4 as the fit and finish of the interior is nicer (despite leatherette).
Now that I have CT springs and Sways the handling gap has narrowed (the A4 is still better with it's stock sport suspension) so the performance gap of the 260hp engine is the overriding thing.
I haven't driven the A4 in months.
A chip will give the A4 210hp but in a lighter car, this would put the performance probably better than the TLP but not as good as the TLS.
But to be honest, I think that a chipped A4 is a better all round car than a stock TLS.
Now to compare a chipped A4 to a Comptech suspension TLS it comes down to preference I think.
But Audi and Lexus need to wake up and respond to the horsepower bar that Infiniti and Acura have raised.
If Acura or Infiniti come out with an AWD G35 or TLS, the A4 is toast.
Stock for stock they are very different cars; neither is perfect. The A4 has amazing handling that makes the Acura seem like a Camry in comparison. The TLS has amazing power that makes the A4 seem like a chevette.
As long as both were stock, I drove each 50/50 but slightly preferred the A4 as the fit and finish of the interior is nicer (despite leatherette).
Now that I have CT springs and Sways the handling gap has narrowed (the A4 is still better with it's stock sport suspension) so the performance gap of the 260hp engine is the overriding thing.
I haven't driven the A4 in months.
A chip will give the A4 210hp but in a lighter car, this would put the performance probably better than the TLP but not as good as the TLS.
But to be honest, I think that a chipped A4 is a better all round car than a stock TLS.
Now to compare a chipped A4 to a Comptech suspension TLS it comes down to preference I think.
But Audi and Lexus need to wake up and respond to the horsepower bar that Infiniti and Acura have raised.
If Acura or Infiniti come out with an AWD G35 or TLS, the A4 is toast.
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wow...I love this post...great to hear all this usefull slinging of what people read in magazine x and how great their 0-60 times are. This is really usefull
this is very true. The 1.8T is underpowered. The new body albeit better handling is heavier. I think it's about 200 lbs haevier than the old. So the 1.8T which wasn't particularly fast before just gained about 200+ lbs. A chip does make a nice difference. It's all about the tq you get. The hp increase is about 30 hp, but you get a ton of extra, usable tq. The car still isn't super fast, but it goes fine. Even with a chip it won't keep up with a stock TLS/CLS. When you consider an Audi, you are pretty much getting it for AWD and maybe for the cool aftermarket scene created by the 1.8T engine. Otherwise, it's a nice car, but there isn't much else to separate it from other cars in it's class. One other thing you get in an Audi warranty is free service every 5000 miles. It's a nice touch.
I'm going to have to disagree there. You can run high boost on stock 1.8T internals if you take care of the car. If you let it warm up and cool down before and after driving it. Turbo cars require more care. It's as simple as that. Audi's 1.8 liter block was designed for forced induction. It's an iron block not aluminum. It has a ghigher compression ratio than I would want in a turbo car, but it's not too high for high boost. I ran a 1 bar APR chip for 45,000 miles and had 0 problems. My clutch held out fine. Now I run their turbo kit at 20 psi and still don't have any engine issues. I am making 223 AWHP...that is 100 AWHP more than my car made stock. My clutch still holds fine except there is too much power to launcht he car hard on the stock clutch. Oh well, $400 for an upgraded on and I'll be letting my clutch pedal go at about 6000 RPM. People have put over 50k miles on these engines with high boost big turbo setups with no problems. But then again most of the people with very modded cars tend to take care of their cars better.
I will give you this, if you want a car that you just put gas in and change the oil every 10k miles, then don't get an Audi 1.8T...or any turbo car for that matter. Acura def has it over Audi in reliability. What problems exactly did you friend have with his car? You are always taking a chance when you mod your car. You have to realize what you are getting into before taking the plunge.
rumor has it the S4 might be available in coupe form in the future. I've seen some cool fake photos/photshops of what it might look like....very cool. I'd still go for the S4 wagon though.
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all i know is i'm the one who started this thread and stated that I test drove a 2003, A4 1.8T quattro, and i'll admit that the interior was (I feel) tighter and cleaner then ours, and the stereo shitted all over our stock one. Obviously the engines do not compare, its not really fair to compare the two to each other. The main thing that car made me realize is actually what a great deal the CL type S is. He quoted me, for the a4 1.8t quattro with sport package, and cold package, and whatever other bullshit a price of like 32K. I got my CL type S with Navi and 6 spd for 32.5 after everything. So when it really comes down to it for the money the A4 1.8t just isn't worth it. Its definitely a nice car, just not a lot of car to justify a 32K price tag.
. Again, you are running a higher boost than the engine was designed for. If you care about long-term reliability, IMO it's not the best choice
I will give you this, if you want a car that you just put gas in and change the oil every 10k miles, then don't get an Audi 1.8T...or any turbo car for that matter. Acura def has it over Audi in reliability. What problems exactly did you friend have with his car? You are always taking a chance when you mod your car. You have to realize what you are getting into before taking the plunge.
i wish audi made an a4 quattro coupe ala 3series coupe
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i drove one... the clutch was so long and i felt like couldnt go up a steep hill ... but the exterior is gorgeous.. interior is awesome, although a bit cluttered around the radio.. worth $25, not $30k
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Good call Elliot, I wouldn't pay more then 25 for the A4 1.8T quattro. Other then AWD, granted which is a big deal, I can not justify spending that much money on something that doesn't live up to the price. The body though with the sport package is pretty tight, thats the one i test drove. I don't recall the clutch being that annoying. I'll tell you what was the most annoying, the freaking CENTER CONSOLE. What in the hell are they thinking putting a center console that close to the stick shift, I remember it being adjustable but I couldn't find a good position for it. How the hell can you drive that car and not be annoyed by that damn thing!
Highlights of the car are obviously the tight interior, look and quality. The sport package, and sport suspension. The AWD Quattro and the stereo. Can't think of much else.
I should have test drove the 3.0 quattro also to get a feel for that, anyone test drove that car, is it that much better?
Highlights of the car are obviously the tight interior, look and quality. The sport package, and sport suspension. The AWD Quattro and the stereo. Can't think of much else.
I should have test drove the 3.0 quattro also to get a feel for that, anyone test drove that car, is it that much better?
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But Audi and Lexus need to wake up and respond to the horsepower bar that Infiniti and Acura have raised
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All the handling stuff is dead on. I drove that A4 many, many times and the quatto w/ the sport package is unreal. That car would waste the Acura in the turns (but only to be caught on the straights).
I should have test drove the 3.0 quattro also to get a feel for that, anyone test drove that car, is it that much better?
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Originally posted by Ray Khan
wow...I love this post...great to hear all this usefull slinging of what people read in magazine x and how great their 0-60 times are. This is really usefull
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I've often found myself looking at an A4, but after a ride in an 03 stockie, crossed it off my list. Is it that much of a difference with a chip?
Also, after you chip the car, is it recommended to purchase an aftermarket boost controller/BOV?
Your thoughts please.
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It's amazing how the A4 which IMO is the best looking entry level luxury sedan, can have a sweet interior, excellent ride quality, fit and finish etc, gets dogged because its slow. Yet the TSX which has bland styling and a nice interior (IMO below the Audi) gets away with its lack of straight line performance.
isn't that a double standard?
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i dont understand how the 1.8T can magically be more powerful with a simple chip, WITHOUT causing harm to the engine or increasing the likelyhood of a mechanical incident .... if that were the case, Audi would have included the chip and raised the price $500 ...
the reliability numbers of these Audis are losing ground to american and japanese motors, and with a chip, I just cant imagine it helping.. prove me wrong.
the reliability numbers of these Audis are losing ground to american and japanese motors, and with a chip, I just cant imagine it helping.. prove me wrong.
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Originally posted by amirsafdari
new A4 doesnt use BOV..uses bypass valves..relatively cheap
new A4 doesnt use BOV..uses bypass valves..relatively cheap
BOV = CBV = Compressor Bypass Valve
It just doesn't dump to atmosphere so you don't hear it. But it does have one but by a different name. Otherwise you would be getting compressor surge at every lift throttle shift.
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The A4 3.0 in a stick is 6.8 seconds 0 to 60.
It's not the last word in straight line performance but IT'S AN AWD SPORTS SEDAN not a sports car like a porsche.
On one hand I agree that the CLS/TLS have spoiled us in accelleration per dollar spent but Acura doesn't make an AWD sports sedan now do they? Too bad.
So while I understand your dissappointment, you can't exactly say it's "not worth the money". The CLS is better value but with a compromise. On the other hand, the Audi is far better value than a BMW 330 with very little compromise and arguably superior handling for real world conditions.
It's not the last word in straight line performance but IT'S AN AWD SPORTS SEDAN not a sports car like a porsche.
On one hand I agree that the CLS/TLS have spoiled us in accelleration per dollar spent but Acura doesn't make an AWD sports sedan now do they? Too bad.
So while I understand your dissappointment, you can't exactly say it's "not worth the money". The CLS is better value but with a compromise. On the other hand, the Audi is far better value than a BMW 330 with very little compromise and arguably superior handling for real world conditions.
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Ray...what exactly have you done to your A4? And of course, at what cost?
you don't want to know how much I've spent. I started out with a chip and exhasut. $500 for a chip and $800 for cat back exhaust. There are some good ehauasts out there for a little cheaper than what I paid. The car is super driveable with a chip. It's not super fast, but it's quick enough and there is a really nice broad torque curve. It still lacks the real bottom end torque being a 1.8 liter, but after about 2000 RPM it builds nicely. The small turbo does run out of steam early. Shift time is at about 5500RPM...maybe a few hundred later with exhaust. I have just about everything done to the car now. I have a $4000 turbo kit (which includes ball bearing GT25/28 turbo, inconel steel manifold, larger injectors, colder plugs and all other fitting and lines and of ocurse software), racing clutch, homade intake, 15" wheels, 17" wheels, 18" wheels, stereo, 450lb front springs, 500 lbs rear springs, upgraded sway bars and sway bar links, clear corners, short shifter and boost gauge. The software I have to run the engine (ie chip) is pretty cool. The company who writes it is called APR, Audi Performance and Racing. They can chip the car through the OBDII port now...don't even touch the ecu. They can put up to 4 different programs on the car. They have 91 oct, 93 oct, 100 oct, 104 oct, valet and stock programs and you can have up to 4 at a time on your ecu. You simply switch through them with the cruise control buttons. This software is available for regular chips and with the turbo upgrade kit like I have. A boost controller can be used instead of a chip. Th e pros of a BC is less lag, Chip tends to be a little more refined sicne you get a timing advance and fuel map changes to compliment the higher boost. With that said, I am planning to run a BC with my kit soon as I already have good software, but I'd like the pros of a BC as well. Audis come with a diverter valve, not a blow off valve. So air is reciculated back into the intake track when off boost.
A stock 150 hp A4 puts about 115-120 to the wheels, stock 170 hp A4 puts about 125-130 hp to the wheels depeding on the AWD dyno. A chipped A4 in either case puts about 165-175 hp at the wheels. My car put down 223 to the wheels, but I was having a small boost issue. Feeel free to IM, PM, email me if you want any more info.
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i dont understand how the 1.8T can magically be more powerful with a simple chip, WITHOUT causing harm to the engine or increasing the likelyhood of a mechanical incident .... if that were the case, Audi would have included the chip and raised the price $500 ...
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i had a 98 1.8t....and i blew the turbo up. I love the red dash lighting and i love the RS4 kit on those cars. But for an a4 1.8t and my cls-6 they wanted the same price almost and i couldn't see that being reasonable. The seats in my CL are so much more comfortable than the audi, its faster and imo the Cl looks better.
FWD blows AWD is awesome, i had SO much fun in the snow with my audi. But i like my acura better.
FWD blows AWD is awesome, i had SO much fun in the snow with my audi. But i like my acura better.
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i had a 98 1.8t....and i blew the turbo up. I love the red dash lighting and i love the RS4 kit on those cars. But for an a4 1.8t and my cls-6 they wanted the same price almost and i couldn't see that being reasonable. The seats in my CL are so much more comfortable than the audi, its faster and imo the Cl looks better.
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Mod-ability...the a4 gets it hands down. I'm friends with this place called Long Island Motor Werks...that specialize in audi/vdubb and other german cars and i'm there at least 2-3 times a month to talk and shit so in the audi world i'm pretty well educated. my next car is defintiely 2000-2002 s4 bi-turbo and i if i can't afford it i'm going for an 03 1.8t. My turbo blew up because it was used as a work car and the person who had it before me didn't change the oil....so i dunno, i like my CL-S better but i'll definiteyl end up gettin another 1.8t or s4 next...plus i love hearing a turbo whistle
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Originally posted by Ray Khan
there is no question that you get way more for you $$ with a CLS...just comes down to the things you really want in a car. I would probably gone with a 6 speed CLS if they were out when I was looking.
there is no question that you get way more for you $$ with a CLS...just comes down to the things you really want in a car. I would probably gone with a 6 speed CLS if they were out when I was looking.
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Hey the CL-S is fast and smooth. But chipped the Audi 1.8T is NO JOKE and a force to be reckoned with!!! I owned a 1.8T Jetta w/ GIAC chip, 4 bar regulator and an intake. I smoked an M-coupe and would regularly run with M5s and E36 M3s like I said ---- NO JOKE.
...but the CL-s is still better
...but the CL-s is still better
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