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Old 09-11-2008 | 11:16 AM
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I dont see any clip
Old 09-11-2008 | 11:20 AM
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Old 09-11-2008 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GunnmeTaLCURA04
I dont see any clip
Here you go gunny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PhHKf-U2Vw
Old 09-16-2008 | 08:37 AM
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Top Gear review on the ZR1

http://www.topgear.com/content/featu...ries/03/1.html




I feel like I've been tipped off the top of the Cresta Run. On rollerblades. And I'm blindfolded. Holy cow, this is scary. To clarify the situation, let's look at the issues.

One: the track I'm on, which is full of closing-radius sphincter-tightening corners, treacherous cambers, conniving double-apex curves and, most of all, blind traps that jump up at you from behind crests.

Issue two, the car. In the Corvette ZR1, we've got 638bhp, in a machine that weighs just 1,518kg fully fuelled and optioned. That's Enzo Ferrari territory.

I don't know the car, and I don't know the track. That combination is so intimidating, I feel like I've about 1,500bhp under my toe.

My first tickle had the rear tyres spinning up in second gear, in a straight line, with the ESP and traction control fully on.

"Oh, it'll do that," chief engineer Tadge Jeuchter told me later, showing only a slightly evil grin. It cuts in only when the car gets properly sideways. And that's in full-nanny mode: after that, there's a 'competitive driving' mode (I'll not deploy that, because I'm not competitive). And then an 'off' mode. If I used that too soon in the learning curve, I would indeed be off.

I'm not saying the ZR1 is dangerous. Far from it. After a few laps, I feel more comfortable. Comfortable? Hmmm, maybe not. Lightning-bolt alert, doing what I can to stay with a car that'll do 0-60 in 3.4 seconds, top out at 205mph and corner at 1g-plus.

More than that, it's gradually apparent that the handling is pretty damned sublime. That, and the brakes, and the grip.

'Right, make no mistake. What we have here is one of the truly great supercars'

Right, make no mistake. What we have here is one of the truly great supercars. Bragging rights ahoy: the ZR1 currently holds the production car record for the Nürburgring.

Although it later becomes apparent on the road that it doesn't feel like one of those brittle, edgy, 'Ring-optimised cars. It's supple and useable.

"Yup," Jeuchter agrees. "Every time we went to the 'Ring and set it up, we'd drive home and find we hated it. So in the end we set it up, then just took it to the 'Ring and tweaked it."

But here's the issue. It's extremely hard to think of this as a hypercar. It's just a Corvette. Never mind the 335-section rear tyres, the blistered wings, the big front splitter, the window in the bonnet bulge, the visible carbon'fibre roof.

To those of us who live in Britain, and who don't see Vettes every day, it's easy to miss those things. So the ZR1 looks like the base Corvette, a car that costs about the same as a Cayman.

Which makes the ZR1's price - £100k, give or take - hard to swallow. It also feels ordinary, but in good ways: easy to drive in town, refined on the motorway, surprisingly supple-riding.

Until you floor it. Then it goes not like a Cayman, but like a Carrera GT. And it's sophisticated. Broadly speaking, a regular Vette consists of a steel frame clothed in fibre glass.

The hotter 7.0-litre Corvette Z06, the one we took to the Isle of Man, has that steel frame replaced by aluminium and magnesium. The ZR1 uses the light frame too, but for the skin the glass fibre is replaced by carbon fibre.

Most of it painted, but some of it lacquered for show, glinting thousands of tiny diffraction-rainbows in the summer sun.



The ZR1 has a 6.2-litre V8 with a supercharger on top, and on top of that an intercooler, the bit you see through the bonnet peep-hole.

Pur-leeze don't go on about pushrods: the fact that it's a pushrod engine rather than a four-cam makes it far more compact, which is the only way they could fit a blown engine into the Vette's bay, because, again against the prejudicial view of American cars, a Corvette is roughly the same size as a 911.

And it's an engine of awesome, shattering authority. It's not just the 638 horses, it's the torque that makes the earth move. The peak is 603lb ft, and there's upwards of 540lb ft from 2,000rpm to 6,000.

You've got a big head-up display to help you time your gearshifts, but, honestly, you can change up early if it's convenient. The torque'll always dig you out. It also makes the 7.0-litre (but unblown) Z06 feel decidedly peaky.

The ZR1 gets carbon ceramic Brembos as standard. I never got used to their power. But they're quiet and progressive too, even when they're cold.

By the way, the rear discs in the ZR1 are the same size as the front ones in the Enzo. The ZR1's fronts are, of course, a size or two larger again.

There's fancy electronics in the ZR1's chassis. The stability controls do a silky smooth job of containing your goof-ups, and if you drive properly they'll let you use pretty much the car's full scope. In fact, in competitive mode, it's on for fairly wide-angle second-gear drifts.

There's also a brilliant adaptive damping set-up, by the offices of our new best friend, the magnetorheological method.

OK, back to that tricky track - it's GM's own development circuit near Detroit. What makes the ZR1's handing so great? The turn-in is accurate and measured, the roll well-contained, the mid-corner balance as deft as a plate-spinner.

The traction out of the bends is remarkable too, though if you start taking liberties with all that power, the tail end will graciously, but firmly, point it out.

'It'll do supercar too: thrill you, challenge you, launch you into multidirectional G-loadings'

On the road, the bag is a little more mixed. Those adaptive dampers allow softer springs than the Z06 (I drove them back-to-back to calibrate myself against the Isle of Man experience), which means fewer shocks going through the car and through you, and a better sense of precision over the kind of lumpy roads we get in Britain.

But some intrinsic Corvette debits remain: the steering doesn't really have much feel, and there's a slight sense that different parts of the car are jiggling away in different directions.

I'm thinking the dynamics are better than an Aston DBS, but you don't get the delicious precision of a 599.

Still, the Vette is a wonderful car. No one can object to it on grounds of ability. But on other grounds, object to it they will. For a start, poor GM will get slagged off as flat-footedly insensitive for launching this car at the very moment the gunwales of the Good Ship Detroit were being engulfed by the chill waters of recession.

But let's knock that into the long grass: they'd been developing it for years, and it was too late to stop. And hey, no one has a pop at Ferrari for making extravagant cars in thin times.

More seriously, people will object that the ZR1 looks like, and has a cabin like, a car of half the price.

But it has the performance and the chassis to match an SLR 722 and other tackle three times its price. So you have to decide what you call value.

Generally speaking, the faster supercars get, the harsher and more tiring they are. The ZR1 isn't like that. It's a comfy, refined GT. But it'll do the supercar bit too: thrill you, challenge you, launch you into multidirectional G-loadings.

That sounds like a reasonable definition of value to me.
Old 09-16-2008 | 09:07 AM
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Maybe Jeremy will replace his Ford GT with a ZR-1?
Old 09-16-2008 | 09:10 AM
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Clarkson reviewed it?

A European review without a mention of Leaf Srpings. It must be a good car.
Old 09-16-2008 | 09:24 AM
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i can't wait for the vids to start showing up
Old 09-16-2008 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
Clarkson reviewed it?

A European review without a mention of Leaf Srpings. It must be a good car.
Paul Horrell from Top Gear Magazine reviewed this.
Old 09-16-2008 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bdog
Paul Horrell from Top Gear Magazine reviewed this.
Should have clicked the link.
Old 09-16-2008 | 10:13 AM
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How can he say a vette has no steering feel. driving a 2000 vette is not like that there is a ton of feedback from the wheel.
Old 09-16-2008 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Shoofin
Maybe Jeremy will replace his Ford GT with a ZR-1?
Didn't he sell the GT?
Old 09-16-2008 | 11:32 AM
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cooooool.

the vette is the only american car i respekt
Old 09-16-2008 | 11:50 AM
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First Sharia law in Britian, now a good review of a GM vehicle by a Brit. What's going on over there?
Old 09-16-2008 | 11:56 AM
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Greatest sports car ever! ZR1 FTW!!!!!
Old 09-16-2008 | 12:21 PM
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I wonder if Clarkson is going to review this on the show or not. He's not a fan of American cars (who really is when comparing them to European equivalents), so his likely poor review of the ZR1 wouldn't be surprising.
Old 09-16-2008 | 01:33 PM
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By the way, the rear discs in the ZR1 are the same size as the front ones in the Enzo. The ZR1's fronts are, of course, a size or two larger again.
damn
Old 09-16-2008 | 03:07 PM
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I cant wait till people start testing this beast. (and till tuners have fun playing with the ECU)
Old 09-16-2008 | 05:00 PM
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HBP anyone?
Old 09-16-2008 | 05:34 PM
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^ I'm wondering if that could cause problems with the rotation of the earth.
Old 09-16-2008 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Audiovibe-Mike
How can he say a vette has no steering feel. driving a 2000 vette is not like that there is a ton of feedback from the wheel.
Old 09-16-2008 | 07:18 PM
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I think I'd rather have the Z06 myself. Then again, I'd rather have the GT-R over the Z06.
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Originally Posted by mattg
^ I'm wondering if that could cause problems with the rotation of the earth.
Most likely.
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I think I'd rather have the Z06 myself. Then again, I'd rather have the GT-R over the Z06.
If i see you post the words GT-R and your fondness of it in one more thread im going to ban you
Old 09-16-2008 | 09:01 PM
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srsly^

we know that the GT-R is fawking fast and makes you go "wooow"
that said youre most likely never going to use it to its full potential so you might as well buy the car you are most fond of

which would be the zr1.
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
If i see you post the words GT-R and your fondness of it in one more thread im going to ban you
I really hope that was a joke.....
Old 09-16-2008 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I really hope that was a joke.....
those words are like sayin voldemort nowadays, you just dont
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^^^Well I've just never heard of being banned for liking a car that a mod didn't.....
Old 09-16-2008 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
^^^Well I've just never heard of being banned for liking a car that a mod didn't.....
what youre forgetting is he has mega in front of that mod, thats like god and a half
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I really hope that was a joke.....
Originally Posted by fsttyms1
If i see you post the words GT-R and your fondness of it in one more thread im going to change your avatar to something gay
fixed. now it's not a joke
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
I cant wait till people start testing this beast. (and till tuners have fun playing with the ECU)
From Motor Trend, October 2008

"Beware Tuners....Hot lapping the ZR1 makes it hard to imagine owners feeling the need to add power to this setup, but you know it'll happen. And it won't be hard. Hack the engine-control chip to run more boost with slightly higher engine or supercharger revs and the power will come. But the team cautions that any additional power will drive temperatures up dramatically resulting in spark retardation unless a larger cooling circuit is installed, along with a taller intercooler poking through the hood and blocking the clean sightlines. Durability is also likely to suffer. As it is, to keep from blowing the heads off, the team switched to four-layer gaskets, strengthened the heads, and fitted larger bolts torqued for 25 percent higher clamping loads"
Old 09-16-2008 | 11:50 PM
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I read in I think Road & Track, there was a small article on the tuning of the ZR-1 in the aftermarket, by the people at GM saying that it pretty much can't be tuned to make it any better to what it is...
Doubt it...you can always turn up the boost at the cost of reliability. Besides how much more horsepower could people want out of a Corvette? Enough is enough unless you want it to be completely undrivable in anything less than ideal conditions.
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Doubt it...you can always turn up the boost at the cost of reliability. Besides how much more horsepower could people want out of a Corvette? Enough is enough unless you want it to be completely undrivable in anything less than ideal conditions.
I edited my post...see above yours...
Old 09-17-2008 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TommySalami
fixed. now it's not a joke
Doooo it!

instead of banning him, make his avatar a hot pink GT-R with a gay dude posing in front of it

Originally Posted by Shoofin
From Motor Trend, October 2008

"Beware Tuners....Hot lapping the ZR1 makes it hard to imagine owners feeling the need to add power to this setup, but you know it'll happen. And it won't be hard. Hack the engine-control chip to run more boost with slightly higher engine or supercharger revs and the power will come. But the team cautions that any additional power will drive temperatures up dramatically resulting in spark retardation unless a larger cooling circuit is installed, along with a taller intercooler poking through the hood and blocking the clean sightlines. Durability is also likely to suffer. As it is, to keep from blowing the heads off, the team switched to four-layer gaskets, strengthened the heads, and fitted larger bolts torqued for 25 percent higher clamping loads"
That's pretty much true for most F/I cars if you want to seriously up the power.
Old 09-17-2008 | 05:08 AM
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isnt the ls7 a bitch to mod too? i remember reading that the engine really couldnt handle much more power
Old 09-17-2008 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
I really hope that was a joke.....
Yes, but we already know your stand on the GT-R. You can leave it out of every thread you post in.
Old 10-28-2008 | 01:43 AM
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Top Gear: Season 12

5 days, 13 hours, 16 minutes, and 44 seconds until the next season of Top Gear starts on November 2nd.



http://www.finalgear.com/shows/topgear/
Old 10-28-2008 | 09:23 AM
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*wars up bittorrent client*

Or are the BBC America broadcasts airing at the proper times this season?
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yeh! thanks for the heads up!
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I can't wait to see the CTS-V and ZR-1 on there! How many new episodes should we be expecting? hopefully it's more than 6.


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