srika

what i'm deeply offended and i must now kill u

muhwahwawahwahwhawhahwahwahwhahaaa

AznX TL

this is true, nissan state's that the GT-R is in peak performance and that it's a perfection that shouldnt be modded. that's why all the shops that get the cars to mod and run time attacks have completely stock engines. the GT-R also has a gps governor that if you're not on a track it won't let you go pass a certain mph (i forget exactly how fast)
that's pretty much the downsides to it.

srika

supposedly the US is not going to get the GPS-based limitation. for once, the US gets a change that's better than what overseas gets. heh

F23A4

It is a limited production car so that '1,500' (if true) is viable. Pontiac only manufactured ~1,500 1989 Turbo Trans Ams and Mitsubishi only 3,000 91-92 Galant VR4s made it stateside. Granted, each were variants of their lower end siblings.

Back on topic, I would rather hear wastegate whistle than blower wine.....so that is my vote.

charliemike

Nice wah-wah pedal action there

ilitig8

Between the two the ZR-1 would be my pick, looks better, much lighter,not a 4 seater and it is NOT a video game on wheels. But for my money neither would be my choice, the R8 TDI will be a big jump in price plus dealers premiums on top, the V8 R8 doesn't have the power to weight so for me it would be a GT3. The only one cheaper to actually buy would be the Nissan and the GT3s are the kind of car you can beat to death on the track and drive home change the fluids and do it again next week. The Vette and GT-R would be faster at the track but unlikely to produce the grins.

srika

good point.

oonowindoo

um... why are ppl comparing a ZR1 with GTR when other ppl are comparing Z06 with GTR???
as much as i love GTR i think ZR1 will outperform GTR

GTR vs Z06

GTR Spec V vs ZR1

just like
EVO should be cmpared with STI, not WRX

JediMindTricks

holy...

GT-R for me.

srika

good question - I think its the price asked by the dealers. Of course, its likely the ZR1 will be going for higher than 100K at dealerships..

Maximized

I think the Z06 vs GTR will be a great comparison. The Z06 will be faster on the drag strip with a good driver judging by trap speeds. The interesting part will be on the roadcourse. The GTR will be easier to drive fast, but I anticipate both cars posting nearly identical lap times.

srika

with that crazy dual-clutch auto, I think the GTR will be significantly faster than the Z06.

DarkSithCL

iTrader: (1)

Porsche... beautiful... modable.... resellable... hella fastable....

Maximized

Not a chance, unless the GTR can knock off high 10s at almost 130 stock. That's what a good driver in good conditions can do in a Z06.

iTimmy

and it has strong heritage, yes the vette has been around for a while but there was about a 20 year stretch where it was pretty pathetic. The 911 has been competitive for the bulk of its life, not to mention a much greater racing history. I like the R8, but I would still be all over the 911.

srika

I meant roadcourse. You said roadcourse would be interesting - I meant GTR will be faster at a roadcourse.. shoulda quoted it.

DarkSithCL

iTrader: (1)

...almost every morning on the tollway one zips by me...today a vette was trying to keep up with one but got lazy I quess...

mattg

man that's a tough one... I voted GT-R

Maximized

I am not sure on the roadcourse. The GTR is much heavier, but it's said to be easy to drive fast. Given two pro drivers, I think both cars will be pretty even. I am not sure what to expect of the GTR though because it's my opinion that the Nurburgring lap times are BS.

fsttyms1

Just dont believe the Best Motoring videos (when they come out) of it destroying all others as they are the most Japanese brand biased ive seen.

srika

did you see the BM Tsukuba Battle vid where the Gallardo Superleggera beats the GTR? they took the video off the 'tube..

Costco

The GTR spanked about everything else though, including a 911 Turbo A/T and a GT3, I think. But the Lambo put on a lead of a couple of seconds or so by the end...

Tsuchiya said something about the Corvette being garbage though while driving it on that one touge stage that BM always uses. He said something along the lines of its very fast but the front end is too heavy or something vague about how he just didn't like it.

srika

I'm just saying that BM is NOT always Japanese biased, contrary to what even I had thought before.

Maximized

I'll wait to see a "Lightning Lap" article myself or view both at my local track.

Costco

Key words being "not always"

I think they had a race between an NSX-R (~290 hp, 225 lb/ft, 2800 lbs) and 3 TVRs. One was a Cerbera (350 hp, 2500 lbs), and a Tamora, and something else. The video was chopped in sections and it only showed the NSX following 2 TVRs, never showed it passing them. Yet somehow in the final result the NSX-R was 1st. TVRs haul ass is my point, and I respect the NSX-R a lot but how in the hell would it manage to pass up all those cars?

Engineering can only go so far to overcome physics.... I still enjoy BM videos and their commentary when translated, but whenever a non-Japanese car is in the running I consider it as much of a factor in the race as the car itself.

CLpower

And i'm not much of a new domestic car lover in all honesty

srika

driven by?

srika

I know what you mean - and I have seen a few "fishy" vids like that. Maybe they are getting better - I would think they would have done whatever they could to let the GT-R win.

stright-(paint)balling

some dudes with a crazy bank account.
sorry j/k

enigmaos

iTrader: (4)

once in the $100K range or even $80k, Nissan simply doesn't have the class and status. same with ZR-1.

People who can afford $100k cars don't look at Nissan unless it's for their kids. They would look at Maserati, Aston Martin, Bentley and such.

stright-(paint)balling

I don't know about that dude. the GT-R almost sold out for 2 years ALREADY. and it hasn't offically went on sale.

psteng19

Is that a GTO for your avatar?

Shouldn't the comparison be Z06 vs. GT-R, ZR1 vs V Spec EVO?

If that's the case, GT-R > Z06

ZR1 vs V Spec, cannot compare because I have not seen/read about either.
One thing's for sure, I can't stand the tacky window on the ZR-1, but there's no denying its balls out performance.

enigmaos

iTrader: (4)

I bet those "buyers" only put down deposits for the car. But, when it comes to actually signing a purchase agreement, most will back out because of the dealer markups and shit.

dallison

911

fsttyms1

After having just come from the Chicago auto show and seeing both cars in person, While the GTR is a very nice looking car, the ZR1 just looks better, meaner, alot more aggressive. I still stick with my decision of the ZR1. Not to mention i think the sound of that big V8 is going to trump that v6 (personal taste)

F23A4

Both the sounds of the V8 an V6 are trumped by the sounds of a blower and wastegate/BOV, respectively.

Maximized

I doubt you will hear the wastegate/BOV in the GTR in stock form.

AznX TL

you could in the r34's.

stright-(paint)balling

i don't know one member posted the sound of a GT-R zipping around a track. that car has one of the best sounding exhaust notes stock. that's out there for sale. yes the GT-R is gonna be pricey for atleast 2-3 years but damn it's a sick car.

fsttyms1

You talking about this nowhere near stock exhaust GTR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCcvLmHn9UQ