cM3go

Personally I think its marketing BS... but whatever, cool regarless, too bad its overpriced and shitty.


http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1837641

Zapata

disagree, love the car and that factory is pretty

55M2G7L

looks like a passat

BC2G

tight car ... too much $$ ....

but more importantly

:whocares:

BstonBruin

factory looks nice

kurt_bradley

Though it is sweet, it's a VW. I wouldn't drop $70k on a VW. It's a more bland Audi A8.

phile

I saw the W12 Phaeton in Philadelphia like 2 years ago. The interior is drop dead gorgeous, I'd say it's even better than its Audi A8 counterpart.

Whiskers

Thems are crazy Germans.

jz-97-c7

i'm wit zap....the car's fiya...$70g's is steep tho and that factory is off the chain

Minch00

THe Phaeton driver's seat is absolutley THE MOST COMFORTABLE SEAT I've ever had the pleasure of sitting in. I'd really like to have one as a daily driver. Hopefull the resale is very shitty and I can pick up one cheap down the road.......

GreenMonster

The factory is pimp

But I agree that VW should leave the high priced luxury stuff to audi and porsche, and start putting out some decent cars for the people.

The days when Volkswagen translated to "people's car" are over

Water-S

it is true they build the Phaeton and Bentleys there. I get some money magazine(it's not Money but one of the 18 money related magazines i got free subscription or cheap subscription to) they did like a 3 page write up on this plant.
only thing is I've worked in Honda's assembly plant. those wood floors would last about 1/2 minute with Honda workers. I've seen Honda employees knock out giant I beams accidently with a forklift. (they've i know of 5 forklifts in about 10 years) Honda's factory is nothing like this. no fancy glass or architechical work. it's looks like a GIANT tan pole barn (the motor plant about 1 million or 1.2 million square ft) the car plant(where the body molds and it final assemble done) it's about 5 million square ft and once again tan SUPER GIANT pole barn. almost every Honda assembly building i've seen pretty stright forward its designed to be simple and "no frills"
VW designed that factory to look fancy with all those windows and nice architect work.

now about the Phaeton. it's a short lived car. at 80 grand for a decent dressed up one. it's not worth it. a funeral home just replaced their Lincoln with a Phaeton. I was really surprised. I figured if they were gonna go that route they'd go with a A8 or maybe a RL.

Crazy Bimmer

Holy ignorant

gocubsgo55

"I certainly believe we own the best built cars in the world.
VW is doing it right."

huh? is that why they're so problematic, cuz they do it right??

zeroday

that car is worth every penny. you brand whores have no idea what you're talking about.

TypeSAddict

That car is fuckin hot! The best part is, all the snobby jackoffs in their entry-level MBs and BMWs will look down on you. I'd love to get snubbed by some pretentious old women in a C230 because I drove a VW. Whether she knows it or not, she's making a fool out of herself.

teg_to_bike

That factory is amazing!

Water-S

so your saying you'd take this sedan over a new loaded E500 Benz or even a loaded S350 Benz or a new loaded 545i bmw or new 745Li bmw.
IMO: the Phaeton doesn't even touch these cars.

Beltfed

The Phaeton is starting to make a great pre-owned car, they don't hold their value for shit.

Not a bad car (very heavy though), wish they brought over the SWB......


For $70k, there are a fair amount of cars I would choose over a Phaeton V8.

Beltfed

To be fair, the E500/545i and Phaeton are aimed at 2 different markets.

The Phaeton is basically a luxury limo, the E500/545i are mid sized sport oriented sedans.

I would get a Phaeton over a V6 Sclass.

Would I get a Phaeton over let's say the new 750?......probably not.

yunginTL

hoyl shit that plant is crazy..and the pictures are sooo clear

dallison

great plant, wouldnt pay 75k for a vw, thats like paying 50k for a hyundai

gocubsgo55

I think we can all compare this to the Maxima Vs. G35/TL debate; "who would pay that much for a Nissan when you can get an Infiniti or Acura?" Same can be said about the Avalon. This car is awesome, and for that price, you sacrifice the badge for the money. I honestly would not buy one, only because the only car I'd buy in the Prestigious Luxury Sedan class would be the Audi A8 ( ). I'd LOVE a 545i ZSP for that price, or pocket some of the money and take an M45 Sport. However, that's just me. When I see that car driving down the street, it always amazes me, beautiful car. Again, it's just my preference of both luxury and sportiness in a car that would make me buy something else for that price.

Ken1997TL

The Phaeton is a great car, especially for the money.

However... it is in the wrong brand for several reasons.

For one, image and service. Image doesnt matter to me, but it does to many at that price range, thus it wont sell and will do VW a disservice. Service IS important. When you pay that much money, you expect and should be getting better service than say the 16 year old ditz with her Jetta that Daddy bought.

In the end, great car but horrible marketing/brand decision that will further ruin VW in the long run

iNteGraz92

the phaeton is a failure. it looks like a giant passat. a giant 70k passat. it is a joke. audi's ceo was fired for stating the truth. now vw claims it is a failure after they fired the audi ceo. lol, idiots. wtf is vw thinking? is audi not their luxury brand? a8 > phaeton failure.

Ken1997TL

The Phaeton is better than the A8. It really is. No contest whatsoever. To me thats what is so baffling. It just doesnt make sense to build such a car for VW when the combined efforts could have made an "uber" Audi.

DownUnder

I personally think the Phaeton looks better then the A8 from the rear at night with the taillights lit up. BTW, that factory is teh hotness!

Beltfed

Most comparison articles I have read disagree with your assessment.

Actually, the Phaeton V8 get's average reviews all around.

zeroday

the luxury features on the phaeton goes FAR beyond the lux. features in the cars you mentioned. they thought of everything...except maybe the marketing.

Just read this feature list and then honestly try and tell me that any of the cars you mentioned even come close to what the phaeton offers:

http://www.vw.com/phaeton/features_us.htm

phile

I don't know why the Phaeton's V8 would get poorer remarks...it's the same one from the Audi. I think the VW is actually heavier than the Audi, which already is hefty in its own right, so in terms of performance, it may not be better.

But I like the Phaeton's interior over the A8's interior (which I think is very beautiful) and I think its exterior is better also.

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

I would buy the Phaeton over the A8. Same mechanicals, for less money. And I hate that hideous nose on the Audi.

I've seen a few rolling around town back home, and they look bad-ass. Better than any pictures I've seen.

Pure Adrenaline

iTrader: (2)

Slightlyl detuned, but yeah, much the same engine.