Rockstar21

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not true.

on many older honda's you could actually feel a thrust once it engages.

i've owned an accord. TL and Prelude.
the accord and prelude BOTH "kick" in if you want to say that..

the TL did more of a glide into it...

as technology has improved. it has become more seamless..
but the older honda motors had a pretty noticable jump into Vtec.. even when they were new.

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I checked this link. I see no cars doing a wheelstand off of the starting line

Show me a link where there is a car doing a wheelstand and it's front-end is not tweaked/twisted without a tube frame.

The pic of the S2000 in the "Yo" poster shows the car's body to not be twisting. That requires a tube frame.

And by the way, I did find this in one of the videos in the link that you provided.

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CLpower,

Just to clarify. We seem to be arguing about two different things. I am *not* saying that those quick times must have a tube frame.

I am saying that most cars that can do a wheelstand that cleanly (gracefully and not having the body twisted to hell) requires a tube frame.

CLpower

I'm just saying, i grew up in the drag racing world, there are plenty of cars that do it without a tube frame.

What you show there in that picture is NOT a tube FRAME, it is a roll cage, which is required on any car that runs pretty much quicker then 10.99 on the track for SAFETY in an accident Yes, a roll cage helps with chassis rigidity...but it is FAR FAR from a tube frame

The wheel stand we were talking about with the S2K in the picture (Irony) on the pages before does not have a tube frame....in fact the car was on STOCK suspension.


In the day of modern unibody cars, yes they can easily handle the force to do wheelies....until we start talking about huge slicks and massive torque..but even then...most cars have the rigidity to be able to handle a wheelie, we aren't talking old fox bodies etc. But supra's, vettes, mustangs, camaros, vipers, etc.....they aren't going to tube frames, lol

Your user name proves more and more accurate....

juniorbean

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Vid of that image:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPN9rQhFEY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49McBCqFNM

I have to run to work, but if you google the Inline Pro S2000 you can find TONS of info about it...

CLpower

The link I posted was not supposed to show a car doing a wheel stand, but the shop that built the S2K we were talking about


Here is a link to a thread discussing that car and it's wheelie; and then the shop stating how it was on stock suspension

Wheel stand pics

http://forums.s2kca.com/showthread.php?t=30026

Thread with shop talking

http://www.b20vtec.com/forums/car-vi...nks-event.html


Thanks junior for posting vids

06TLpearlywht

omg those pic is hilarious.im just laughin the whole way scrolling down lmao

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That's what I was thinking. It HAS to be a fully caged car to run in the 9s and that helps tremendously with body twist.

My uncaged car leaves with the left tire 1.5' in the air and the right one still planted.

*Some* IRS cars will leave a little flatter than live axle cars but that's really on a car by car basis.

In all honesty, bumper scraping wheelies are more for show than anything. You lose some amount of time with those kinds of wheelies. Not to mention if the car loses power mid air you practically total the front end.

Lets not get into the "stock" stuff debate. I'm running a mostly stock bottom end and "stock" suspension.

However, there's soooo much prep work that goes into prep of stock parts to make them last and in the drag racing world, as long as you're using stock mounting points it's considered stock suspension. I bet if you take a look under that Honda, the only thing stock about the suspension is the mounting points. There's nothing wrong with that but let's not mislead others into believing he drove a factory stock suspension S2000 out there and ripped 1.4 60' times.

I hate cars

Just read the article where they claim bone stock suspension. Don't believe it for a second. I've been around long enough to know better. You don't take a stiff road race car, throw slicks on it and start pulling wheelies.

CLpower

i'm trying to find more info, because i am curious as well...will look into it tonight



btw, still claim, tube frame and roll cage are very very different things

and yes, big wheelies do nothing but hurt your times

I hate cars

That I can believe.

Anyone who has raced is guilty of claiming it's all stock. I was the master of it around here. I could convince anyone that my car runs 14s so I'm not saying anything they are doing is wrong by any means. I just don't believe they're running factory springs and shocks, that's all.

Tube frame signifies a purpose built race car while a cage is a modification of a factory car.

CLpower

yep

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This Zmax S2000 is nothing more than a exhibition vehicle. I Googled it and ALL there is on the internet is videos. Fishy !!!

This is an exhibition vehicle to promote their business, inlinePRO.

Everyone sees a S2000 body and thinks "Cool.. a S2000 doing a wheelie".

That is no S2000. Like I said before, only the skin is original.

The pics below are NOT the S2000 in question. The pics below show a similiar S2000. Funny, that we can't find any REAL info about that Zmax inlinePRO S2000. Only propaganda videos and website chat (like the one's you posted) of people saying "cool". Wouldn't want the people to know the truth I suppose. "oh, that's an S2000 doing a wheelie"



In the pic above, that is an AMERICAN Ford 9-inch rearend. This pic is hosted on my pic site because I can not link to the orginal pic. Here is the source. (click here)




Pic above is an AMERICAN TH400 TRANSMISSION


In the pics below... you say "roll cage", I say "Tube Frame".

CLpower

the Zmax is the track

there is a TON of info out there about the InlinePro car....do a search


The rear end of the car you just posted is a much different story and something you would never see in a street class like the S2K WE are talking about is in...that's a freaking solid rear axle

you are right, with an american transmission....don't know why at all you brought that car into this conversation

CLpower

btw, I say roll cage, you say tube frame.....reality is, you are wrong

Do a search on TUBE FRAME, and you come up with things like this. Key word is FRAME..

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I spent the last hour googling. All I see is videos show the wheelie run. And forums just saying "Cool".

I even found two forums in which the inlinePRO guy even made several post. He is very tight-lipped about the car. The most that I seen him say is that his car is far from stock.

Even found the Facebook for inlinePRO
http://www.facebook.com/people/Inlin...00001231957296
NOTHING. Fishy as hell to me

Even found the inlinePRO website
http://www.inlinepro.com/s1
Nothing there either.

Found the Myspace website for inlinePRO
http://www.myspace.com/inlinepro
Nothing.

Am I searching for the wrong thing? I googled "zmax Inlinepro s2000" and "Inlinepro s2000".

SHOW ME SOME REAL INFO, or it is all just an exhibition vehicle.

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Not in the world of drag racing.

Google on this term "tube chassis chromoly drag"

CLpower

Yes in the world of drag racing a tube chassis is not a roll cage. I'm sorry...you aren't right on this one. What you see there is the full chassis underneath in the picture you posted, a place where the suspension bolts up to, etc.

We can argue this all you want, I grew up in drag racing...i've built cars from scratch, etc

Roll Cage




Tube Frame Chassis

CLpower

what you see in that S2K you posted is a ROLL CAGE that connects to the body of the car

I did a quick search and easily found the shop stating the car has IRS...through an F20C.....not sure how you can't find it....


But I'll let yo, I don't need to argue day and night about what I know...that is inaccurate to you

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You found the link, but you can't do a simple copy and paste to post it

Rockstar21

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i love lamp

CLpower

There is one already posted, that send you to another one on the discussion

i'm to busy searching for an autopower roll cage so I can have a tube frame car

CLpower

I love table

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I love S2000's YO !!!

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Rockstar21

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blasphemy... you cant launch in vtec...

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Moog-Type-S

Moog-Type-S

CLpower

E difference is dohc vs dohc. Dohc kicks in alot harder

I hate cars

I'm thoroughly confused and Google is not my friend.

So is the S2000 in question IRS or live axle? TH400 or a 6mt?

Through all the arguing all I can think of is turbo and engine details. I HAVE to ASSume it's an auto. Very, very rare for a mt turbo car to pull tire like that. Of course, there is the pop bang method, 2-step and all that. That's what I'm curious, if it's a 6mt, what method of building boost off the line did they use with a tiny 2.0. If it's an auto, not as big of a deal (still a big deal though).

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Rockstar21

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does. not . compute.

is this what we were shooting for? lol

and yes, now that you mention it, the accord and prelude are both DOHC and the TL was SOHC

CLpower

Yea, iphone key board didn't help me last night


Your accord should have been SOHC (unless it had a swap)..along w/ the TL. DOHC is what Vtec is really for, it is kind of a cheater vtec. That said, I could still feel it in my SOHC honda's. But nothing like a b-series with a heavy cam...the change over is a kick


And I don't know why someone says you shouldn't feel vtec kicking in, it's a kick in power, of course you should feel it in. Hell, you should also be able to hear it kick in.

CLpower

Everything I have found says IRS....6MT....but who knows...can't find f'ing pictures to solve the problem..

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neuronbob

We need to sticky this and direct all VTEC pix here.

Rockstar21

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accord was h22 before selling it...

it didnt have vtec at all before the swap (F22A) :thumbsdow

i agree with you though, i can definitely feel and hear the switch over...

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