The Official Wagon/Avant Discussion Thread
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obviously you are not
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For a sadly astronomical price.
Me I am still waiting 15 more years to import this Lamborghini wagon. At which time it will be extremely unreliable or have burnt to the ground
Me I am still waiting 15 more years to import this Lamborghini wagon. At which time it will be extremely unreliable or have burnt to the ground
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Germans?
Pretty sure it's USDOT regs that gave us the 25yr rule. Unless you mean that ze Germans never brought it here in the first place?
Pretty sure it's USDOT regs that gave us the 25yr rule. Unless you mean that ze Germans never brought it here in the first place?
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US... same reason why we could not have the "real" GTRs
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Agreed on Jason's response - they go for big money even over seas .... the import tax will put them even further out of reach .
From time to time, I will see either a really nice / well taken care of URS4 / URS6 with lots of RS2 goodies ... IMO, a much more feasible car to attain.
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I need to move to Europe just so I can have one of these:
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Ugh damn germans keeping everything for themselves.
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The site is in German of course but the car I built with zero options except for Alpina blue paint came to 122,000 Euros which is approximately $139K
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Looks great.
I told my wife (very anti-wagon) that she's lucky the C-Estate isn't available here. I'd have taken one in a heartbeat over my sedan.
Same with the Mazda6 Wagon.
I told my wife (very anti-wagon) that she's lucky the C-Estate isn't available here. I'd have taken one in a heartbeat over my sedan.
Same with the Mazda6 Wagon.
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https://journal.classiccars.com/2018...uction-format/
H&H Classics, the British collector car auction house, has announced its 2019 sales calendar, which includes a new format.
On February 2, the company will stage its first purely online live auction, and that sale will feature an unusual vehicle indeed — a 1985 Chrysler Le Baron Town & Country turbocharged woody station wagon formerly owned by American entertainer Frank Sinatra.
H&H announced the consignmenton December 12, which would have been Sinatra’s 103rd birthday.
According to H&H, the car is perhaps the last vehicle Sinatra owned, an “undistinguished (and unexpectedly domestic)” wagon that was used as Sinatra was driven around Las Vegas during the last 10 years of his life.
The wagon will be sold along with copies of the certificate of title bearing Sinatra’s signature. The Nathan Golden named on the registration was Sinatra’s chauffeur, H&H noted.
H&H notes that Sinatra-owned vehicles have sold well at auction, including a 1989 Jaguar SJX and a 1956 Ford Thunderbird.
In regard to the online only sale, Iain Burt of the H&H management team noted, “At present approximately 30.6 percent of all sales take place on-line, which provides us with a strong foundation to introduced this exciting ‘live’ auction online format.”
On February 2, the company will stage its first purely online live auction, and that sale will feature an unusual vehicle indeed — a 1985 Chrysler Le Baron Town & Country turbocharged woody station wagon formerly owned by American entertainer Frank Sinatra.
H&H announced the consignmenton December 12, which would have been Sinatra’s 103rd birthday.
According to H&H, the car is perhaps the last vehicle Sinatra owned, an “undistinguished (and unexpectedly domestic)” wagon that was used as Sinatra was driven around Las Vegas during the last 10 years of his life.
The wagon will be sold along with copies of the certificate of title bearing Sinatra’s signature. The Nathan Golden named on the registration was Sinatra’s chauffeur, H&H noted.
H&H notes that Sinatra-owned vehicles have sold well at auction, including a 1989 Jaguar SJX and a 1956 Ford Thunderbird.
In regard to the online only sale, Iain Burt of the H&H management team noted, “At present approximately 30.6 percent of all sales take place on-line, which provides us with a strong foundation to introduced this exciting ‘live’ auction online format.”
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Not sure on this one. I really think this falls into the stupid category. Install hitch on wagon and trailer seems to be smarter idea here.
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should
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Ummm,
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Really? I think that render looks kinda cool.
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I'm with big nope for me.
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Rebirth, or Looming Fizzle? The Station Wagon Had a Pretty Good Year in 2018
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While wagon variants allow automakers to rack up additional sales of a given nameplate, the wagon community remains a small one. Loyal and passionate, but small. And what room there is for growth depends on your level of optimism. As Bloomberg notes, 2018 was a great year for wagon sales, simply because consumers suddenly found themselves with choice.
Buick has the new Regal TourX, Jaguar has the new XF Sportbrake, Volvo has the tony V90 and V60, Mercedes-Benz has the dignified E 450 4Matic wagon and disgruntled AMG E63 S wagon, Audi has the A4 Allroad, and Volkswagen will still gladly sell you a modest Golf SportWagen. All of this choice resulted in a bigger niche than years past. Some 212,000 wagons left U.S. dealer lots in 2018, representing a 29 percent sales increase compared to five years earlier.
Still, wagons amounted to less than 2 percent of the new vehicle market last year. That’s plug-in car territory.
This group of buyers, described by Buick marketing director Sam Russell as “almost violently opposed to being mainstream,” doesn’t want to be seen driving an anonymous crossover. And let’s face it, it’s easier to sculpt a sexy wagon than a high-riding, bulbous crossover. Thing is, though, wagons sales are a slim wedge of the overall volume of a particular nameplate. As sedan sales falter, wagons, despite their snob appeal, won’t pick up enough of the slack. All a wagon can do is delay a model’s discontinuation, if we’re to assume today’s market shift continues uninterrupted.
If sedans disappear from our streets, so too will wagons, despite wagons being a happy middle ground between sedans and crossovers. A sad situation, if the worst-case scenario comes to pass. While Bloomberg reports Buick’s TourX sales “increased steadily” over the past 12 months, Volvo’s gorgeous V90 is now available by custom order only, and Jaguar’s XF Sportbrake, while sultry, has to contend with the fact that no one’s interested in buying Jaguar cars these days. Even the brand’s crossovers can’t keep sales in the black.
Despite the recent uptick in wagon interest and availability, it’s hard not to see this phenomenon as a tired light bulb valiantly burning its way towards destruction.
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This group of buyers, described by Buick marketing director Sam Russell as “almost violently opposed to being mainstream,” doesn’t want to be seen driving an anonymous crossover.
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Doesn't Porsche already make one of those?
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What I don’t understand is that the Outback was excluded from the sales figures. It’s a wagon; no matter what Subaru calls it. Subaru sold 182,000 of them in 2018 and if you add that to the other figures it’s close to 400,000 sold.
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Ride height?
Legacy wagon vs. Outback
Legacy wagon vs. Outback
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The Outback is a wagon, just a lifted Legacy. Same as an Alltrack is pretty much a lifted GSW, and the Allroad is a lifted A4 Avant.
Interestingly, our Flex (on our insurance papers) is also listed as a wagon (don't tell my wife).
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I feel like the latest Outback is higher than the Allroad personally. They keep raising up the Outback year after year it seems lately and it definitely looks more CUV than wagon at this point.
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The interior of the Outback is far more wagon/car like in the seating configuration than any CUV. The ground clearance of the Outback is the same as a stock Jeep Trailhawk.
Some people jokingly say that a CUV is a lifted wagon and, in most cases, it's not. CUV has a different seat configuration/style and overall different layout much in the same difference as a RAV4 to a Camry but the Outback is LITERALLY a lifted wagon.
Some people jokingly say that a CUV is a lifted wagon and, in most cases, it's not. CUV has a different seat configuration/style and overall different layout much in the same difference as a RAV4 to a Camry but the Outback is LITERALLY a lifted wagon.
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Like coupes, wagons are a rare breed (sales-wise). I don't think wagons will die off, like coupes won't. They will just be in relative limited production. I think there will always be a sizable enough market for them. Also, the top of the line Buick Regal X is ~36K! Sounds like a bargain, unlike coupes that sell for prices over their sedan counterparts.
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I've yet to see a TourX in person, but it's a great looking car for the price. Shame there's no way they do a TourX GS with some more performance.
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Interesting, but likely a bit of a sales flop. Not sure how many people are going to rush out to buy a $40k+ hot Buick.
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For my next car I'm going to try my hardest to get either an E63 AMG or the Sport Turismo...used of course.
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Sport Turismo
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