kosh2258

Is a class action lawsuit filed in California against Nissan NA because the G35 brakes are wearing prematurely and it's having a negative impact on resale value - according to the lawsuit that is.

This item was just published today at Automotive News. You have to be registered on the site to read the entire story.

www.autonews.com

EZZ

Dave,

You bought the right car for your needs and I'm happy for you. I was in the same situation as you and I too felt the SIGNIFICANT difference in handling between the two cars. Not even a comparison IMHO. I have the coupe w/18s and this thing handles like a beast I agree with the posts here about the TL having more refinement, better interior, quieter ride and I really wish I had those things sometimes when I am in my G...but when the roads are clear and I really push her, I'm very happy with the decision I made. BTW, I played with some TLs on the highway and I usually pull on them; has anyone pulled on a G?

jhunter9999

P.S... what is the little compartment/handle looking thingy to the right of the G's dash under the glovebox ??[/QUOTE]


That's where they put the Nav./DVD player. If this was a CD changer or even a DVD player I would understand the location. But how often do you need to access the Nav./DVD player that you would put it above the glove box.

JRock

I also think the interior looks better in black, but I think that of the Acura interiors too.

http://users.adelphia.net/~jrockcls/console.jpg
Sorry about the angle, was at at stoplight. =p

EZZ

Forbidden, doesn not work for me I think black hides everything that is ugly. Just look at the new Maxima....IT EVEN looks decent in black.

PG2G

I think that ES interior is pretty ugly too. I dunno why, just does. I'm not a big fan of wood, and it looks rather lowtech. The head unit just screams 'Audiovox' to me.

shodog

Here is a pic of the 6MT sport interior

dwcolt

I've always believed that all of the components of a dashboard should flow together. Basically, there should be one continuous line which can be drawn along the dash that would encompass all of the components. The TL follows this rule.

The G35, on the other hand, looks like it is made up of three different sections. You have the center control panel which abruptly ends at the top. The second section then starts; this is that weird center panel that holds the clock. Finally, the instrument cluster looks like it is an entirely separate section. Bottom line- you have three distinct dash sections which are sort of mish-mashed together. To me, that ruins the entire interior, as it doesn't have a single, solitary theme or flow to it.

All of the components on the TL flow together. The instrument panel looks like a natural extension of the dash and there is no real division between the upper dash and the center console. At the end of the day, it looks like the TL interior was carved out of a single block, whereas the G interior was created by placing three blocks together.

dwcolt

And I don't like the ES330 interior. Too much wood. And am I alone in thinking that the whole center console looks like a big blister that is going to pop?

JRock

Nah, I just find silver trim looks infinitely better with black interior than lighter interior colors.


Really? Never heard of it. I would be interested in free brakes whenever they wear out.

I doubt they wear out in 9.500 miles though

dseag2

You've obviously been sitting in your G35 too long and have been overcome by plastic fumes.

DavePA

That's where they put the Nav./DVD player. If this was a CD changer or even a DVD player I would understand the location. But how often do you need to access the Nav./DVD player that you would put it above the glove box.[/QUOTE]

On non-nav cars, the area above the glove box is an additional storage compartment. If you mean the small piece on the right side of the console, that's a power point with a small pocket beneath it.

DavePA

Every time I drive it and fling it around a corner, the satisfaction grows. Everything else is secondary/tertiary. I love the TL's looks, but from the driver's seat (which unfortunately I could never adjust to my liking), I can't see it. Functionality always wins out over appearance.

lindros2

i'm lucky - my household has both (TL and G35). In one year we have a total of 12000 miles spread among two cars so there's not a lot of driving for either. The TL is better for long-distance cruising, whereas the G35 (base model w/ leather and auto) is a better performance car. For what it's worth, the COMBINED lease on BOTH was less than a single lease on ONE 2004 BMW 530i... without navigation

Ironically enough, the G35 has Turanza EL-42's. We may update the G35 with a rear spoiler, 18" TSW alloys and sport springs...

-josh

jjsC5

I went the other way. After a year and a half with the G35, I traded for a TL. I liked the G for the most part, but the TL just plain "feels" better to me. It fits me better, and has an all around more refined feel. Yes, I wish the TL had the RWD platform, and I even wish it had the G's engine (even with the 4mpg worse gas mileage).

This car for me is used mostly for commuting to work in Houston traffic. I have another car I drive on weekends. So I can live with the very slight performance differences. But I will also say that I'd be happy with either car.

blufox

ES is blah its a camry in light camo its hidious inside and out like a friggin prostitue

EZZ

Seems like you are going back to the darkside by selling the vette Don't do it...just get the C6

missmyprelude

Funny. The prop rod was the only thing that ever broke on my 97 Prelude. Ok, so I bent it the wrong way...

EZZ

Funny, cause the only thing that ever broke on my 96 Maxima was the hood struts

1SICKLEX

Like the TL being an Accord in light camo?
No, both cars hide their cheaper siblings part sharing very well.

Hoods without gas struts are to SAVE MONEY. Plain and simple. It is CHEAP. You will notice LUXURY CARS have gas struts as a convience for their owners, CHEAP cars have hood props to save money (Kia, Chevy, Mitsu, etc).
The G35 AWD was not preferred over the RWD model b/c of weight and a slight increase in ride height (for enthusiests). Most people could not tell the difference.

The TL interior is fantastic. It is common knowledge that is a place of opportunity for the G35. It pretty much NAILS everything else.

As for the ES interior, it offers REAL WOOD choices and is as well built as any car for any price.

missmyprelude

My wife's Lexus IS300 has a prop rod. The TL has gas struts. Neither she nor I could care less either way. The fact is that most people with LUXURY CARS probably don't know the difference - chances are they wouldn't know how to open the hood to begin with. I would say it's less of a convenience to owners than a "nice to have". I notice that lots of non-car guys point out the prop rod rather than looking at the engine and other goodies under the hood. I agree that this is a money saving technique, but a damn good one in my opinion since it saves me little effort to have gas struts hold up the hood. And that's coming from someone that actually does know how to open the hood (among other things).

JRock

I agree. Also, whoah, apparently the ES becomes a spaceship when you get the dark interior. 0__o
(Looks like stars and space in the background lol.)

Here's a fresh pic of dark interior in the G35 Coupe. I think it looks infinitely better than a light interior with silver trim, and I feel the same way about Acura ebony interiors over parchment/camel/saddle, when you have aluminum or silver trim. Wood goes best with light interior, silver/alum better with dark interior.

Interior2

F23A4

Doesnt happen often but, !

1SICKLEX

lol
Yes, some may not care but to me it's a small item I notice. Funny but the guys at IS.Net actually figured out how to fit and make hood props for the IS. I've seen them, they look like the angle won't hold up the hood but it works quite well. Like $250 or so.....

RJPoteet

One question I have not seen addressed by people that have owned both cars:

Which one has the better gas mileage? Not that it would be a deal breaker, but I'm considering both cars, and the gas mileage thing might be a deal breaker with the war department (yes I know, I'm whipped.) Thanks

shodog

although technically a 6MT will get better gas mileage than an 5AT, you will tend to drive the 6MT more aggresively and your gas mileage will suffer greatly

EZZ

The Honda will give you better gas mileage than the Nissan. I say 2mpg more on average.

Road Rage

Strip the cars down to their humble origins, and a Honda is a Honda. A Nissan is a Datsun. Get it? And which F1 car has the Nissan engine in it? - I keep forgetting.

Nissan makes a good car, and they have fought their way back from the brink - which i respect - but Honda has never been even near the brink, and having my car be a "gussied up Honda" just rings truer and cleaner than a "gussied up Nissan". I owned a 1990 300ZX hardtop (no T-Top!!!), one of the few that they brought over here for racers, who wanted a rigid platform. With mods I made (sprinfs, shocks, Turbo oil cooler, power adder, etc) I had a rocket that looked unique - kinda miss it now and then, but the handling could not compare to the S2K. Plus, like nearly every Japanese design, after a while the looks get old on Nissan - I hink the TL will always be regarded as a nice design, from every angle. The Maxima already looks a bit upside down to me, the Altimas clear tailights scream 1998 or too much money spent at the 'Zone, and so forth.

I think the best Nissan ever made was the 1991 Stanza with the 2.4L four - buzzy, lots of torque down low, chain cams drive, and they run forever. I know a car guy who OWNED the first Datsun/Nissan dealership in Richmond, had a Porsche Turbo, BMW M5, the whole deal. He ended up buying 3 or 4 of the Stanzas because he wanted to simplify his life - wife, daughter and son all had one, plus Millard (The Mallard) himself. He wanted transportation that was cheap and indestructible.

EZZ

I think the best Nissan ever made was the 4th gen Maxima. Reliable, pretty quick, and extremely roomy. I loved that car and didn't have a single problem with it...except for hood struts. I've had Hondas too and have really enjoyed them. My fiance's civic runs great and we are looking to upgrade in a year or 2 (maybe to a TL). These two are my favorite affordable brands...Toyotas really don't have anything in the lineup that would interest me (being under 60 and all).

DavePA

If you can afford either car, the cost-to-own difference due to gas mileage is insignificant. Pick another aspect to sell either one, the beauty being that it's YOUR preference that wins out in the end.

JRock

Just to answer the question, my CL TypeS got 26-28mpg, my G35Coupe gets 18-19mpg (though it is more city driving with the G, the CLS definitely got better mpg). I'd trade the mpg anyday though, to have the G over the 04TL, and that's what I did. =)

ColdFusionTL

all i know is that my family has been with acura forever and now we switched to infiniti. Build quality and service is way better than acura in every way. I had a TL-S and had nothing but problems. Lately, acura build quality has been crap. It would take alot to sway me back to acura...

rets

Move to Cars & Bikes now.

TL_6SPD

Not a lot of cars have Alum. Actually Nissan is the only one who started it.

TL_6SPD

LOL. I sat in my friends TL recently again. I liked the interior of course (the looks), but it was falling apart. He had a ton of dents in his alum, headliner starting to fall, and rattles everywhere. When he sat in my G35, the first thing he said, wow these seats are nice! Oh and he even complimented my plastic painted part because it looks new after 20k and his looks old after 10k.

The G35 is just plainly built better, the TL isn't. For looks, the TL has it. Thats it.

TL_6SPD

TL_6SPD

Mine just was replaced at 15k. Had 2mm left and that was mostly highway. When you get performance brakes they wear out faster. Just a lot of Luxury owners complained too much.

TL_6SPD

Cough, I do recall the TL haven't more plastic than our G35 does.

TL_6SPD

Without proof on your asummtion you are wrong. Because I even installed gas struts on my G35 hood, it flexed in the middle with the lightest strut I could get. Alum hoods can not use struts. It is not cheap because Infiniti used struts on the trunk when they didn't need too. lol

TL_6SPD

My 6mt g35 gets 21-22 city and 26-28 highway (short drive highway..not a full tank yet.)